Episode 32 – Tripping Fences

Is Peter real, or is he just a voice synthesis dream? All the GPTs, Scott hates bad drivers, Peter's running shoe obsession, and lots of Apple Watch failures for both Scott and Peter.

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Somehow you became the sloth in that Pixar movie, whatever that was.

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Was it Pixar? No, it wasn’t Pixar, but it was about a traffic cop, right? Traffic cop bunny?

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I don’t remember. Yeah, it was a rabbit. Her rabbit was a… she was a meter maid,

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parking meter maid. No, the sloth was in the… wasn’t it at the…

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DMV. Yeah, DMV, okay. Yeah, and there’s a scene where they’re doing an investigation and they

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have to go to the DMV and of course the sloths are running the DMV. Oh, you’re drinking some

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kind of tea. I am. Okay, speak of it. Is this the brew that you’re… I wasn’t actually planning.

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This is just the pre… This is the warm-up brew because this is slightly warm. This is just the

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last couple of ounces of some Wegmans English Breakfast brewed tea, which is just brewed out

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of a tea bag. Oh, I forgot something important. Friends with brews! There, sorry. Oh, now you get

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though yeah I was wondering when you’re gonna catch up for that. Anyway this is just a plain old

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brood out of a tea bag with you know hot water kind of thing nothing fancy still delicious.

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I don’t know if you listen to the Bart Show or not but I had I had some tea out of bag on that

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one it’s very similar to Genmaicha honestly. Except that well they do have machairi Genmaicha

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which is Genmaicha with macha in it. This is basically that except it was in a tea bag.

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and it was Whole Foods so no no it wasn’t it was what was the brand Nuno

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Nano no no Zuno no no me Zuno no idea me Zuno no it was a Numi organic Numi

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you’ve probably seen that brand on the shelf I think I have anyway so yeah I

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had tea out of a bag as well and it doesn’t always have to be leaves that

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they’re crushed and sitting there waiting to be put in a little basket

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well good great well what are you drinking Scott oh by the way Scott

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shouldn’t you introduce yourself Scott you know to the listener Scott yeah

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because they have no idea that my name is Scott I know well they do now Scott

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so I already opened this downstairs because my bottle opener was downstairs

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but I am drinking a Yacht Rocket Urban Family Brewing Company passion fruit

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sour ale with coconut okay this is 6% by volum volum is it is it voluminous volum

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volumé okay whoa you just grabbed your volumé okay I’m gonna do some pouring here

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And it looks about like you might expect a passion fruit sour to look hmm kind of hazy

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By the way, I almost bought a Samuel Smith oatmeal stout

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But then I saw this and I thought I haven’t had a Samuel Smith oatmeal stout on the podcast

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But I think I have to go back and search but I’ve either had the chocolate stout or we’ve talked about it before it

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but anyway, I was like, I’m just not in the mood for a stout right now fair enough and

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Let’s see. Mmm. I like that it is sour and I like it. So it does what it says on the tin

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It’s not quite as sour as that cactus wins the lottery thing, but it’s pretty close. And yeah, I like it. It’s good

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This is good. I would I would definitely I will drink this again if I can find it

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This is the first time I’ve ever seen it there at Whole Foods

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Even if you’re desperate even if I’m desperate I’ll drink this but even when I’m desperate Wow Urban Family brewing company is in Seattle

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So maybe when I go up to Seattle on Friday to pick my daughter up

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I will stop by and see if they can comp me some for mentioning them on the podcast

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Be nice and don’t road rage at the Washington drivers, even if they deserve it. Oh my god

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Washington drivers are road rage

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But they’re bad in different ways than Oregon drivers are how so Scott

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Washington drivers cannot maintain a constant speed. They don’t seem to understand that their cars have cruise control

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and they will race down a hill and go slow up the hill.

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And you can tell that their foot never changes angle on the gas pedal.

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And that’s a Washington driver and they’re a major pain in the ass.

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Now, now that I have cruise control that compensates with, you know,

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it tracks the car ahead and it slows up and speeds down,

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it’s still annoying, but it’s far less annoying than my old vehicle,

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which just had, you know, the old time cruise control,

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which just sets it at a speed and goes and it’s up to you to turn it off or brake

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when the idiot ahead of you can’t figure out where their gas pedal is.

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And then Oregon drivers are afraid of curves.

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So an Oregon driver that’s going 60 miles an hour will slow down to 30 for the barest

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curve, the tiniest curve in the road.

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And then they’ll speed up again, so heaven forbid you get ready to pass them because

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they’re annoyingly slow.

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They drive me insane.

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They are so afraid of curves.

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Now tell me about your actual brew and then let’s talk about Boston Drivers for a little

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My actual brew, now that I’m going to almost finish with the tea.

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Today I will be drinking a Brooklyn Brewery non-alcoholics, uh, non-alcoholics.

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Yes, alcoholics cannot drink this.

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If you’re an alcoholic.

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No, sorry.

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There’s a lot of questioning at the grocery store.

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Special Effects Hoppy Amber.

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Now I’m not big on hops, but I’m noticing a trend in these non-alcoholic beers that

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I’ve been drinking lately and is that if they’re hoppy and bubbly they taste like what IPA

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drinkers consider a beer. So therefore people don’t notice that maybe they’re not as good

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as they could be.

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But Peter, the things that IPA drinkers consider beer are things that we consider pretty rotten.

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Well, we consider those to be IPAs.

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That said, this is more of a little amber, like an amber ale with a little bit of hoppiness

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to it. So it’s not an IPA. And it’s actually drinkable. It is pretty weak because, you

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know, it’s non-alcoholic. But it has some flavor that is not offensive. And I have to,

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I say I drink it even when I’m not desperate.

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Peter, didn’t you get buzzed on non-alcoholic beer on this podcast one time? I swear you

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did. No, I’m positive you did. Yes.

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No. No. That never happened.

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Yeah, it did.

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What about Boston drivers?

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What are they afraid of?

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Boston drivers are afraid of nothing.

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Even when they should be.

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Oh, absolutely.

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They are not afraid of using like, you know,

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well, maybe they’re afraid of one thing,

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using their turn signals.

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They’re afraid of stopping at red lights.

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They’re definitely afraid of that.

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There’s definitely some Oregon drivers

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that are afraid of that too.

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There are a lot of red light runners here.

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Yeah. So, yeah.

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Anyway, there you go.

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Yeah, so, all right.

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This is like a watery amber ale that I’m drinking.

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Okay. Does it hydrate you like water?

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It does. It’s very much like water.

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It is like a half a percent difference from water.

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Mine is definitely not like water.

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Okay. Alright, good.

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So, what are we talking about tonight?

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We got some feedback. We actually had feedback.

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We did have feedback.

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Ronnie was excited.

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Ronnie Lutes, friend of the show and friend of mine, and friend of Las Vegas and friend

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of a lot of things, and friend of some people that he shouldn’t be on Mastodon because they

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drive him insane with their indecisiveness.

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Like he follows some people that are always changing phones or always changing task list

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apps, but he keeps following them and I don’t know why.

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Anyway, he enjoyed the show, the last one that you were on.

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He gave us some feedback about Spigen!

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And he said that he likes their products, he’s used to use their…

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Saying he doesn’t like the way we speak?

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He’s gonna be telling us how we should be speaking?

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No, he just said that, hey, if you go to their website, they will tell you how to say it.

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And sure enough, Peter, they do.

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I get it.

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No, I can’t. I got that.

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No, I can’t.

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Spigen. Spigen.

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No, I heard you.

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I heard you the 15th time. Yeah, I’m good.

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Spigen. Oh my god.

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Peter, I’m starting the Spigen podcast, and you’re crapping all over it.

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Ooh. Wow.

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Suddenly Peter dreams of a stronger beer.

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Something for alcoholics.

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Yeah, I need something. I need an alcoholics beer.

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I’m gonna go downstairs and grab one of my omega-3 philosophers now. I’ll be right back.

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All it took was the speaking podcast to make Peter into an alcoholic.

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Speaking, speaking, speaking, speaking.

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So anyway, spigen of that, anyway, so yeah, he sent us that and then he also,

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I don’t know why, but he got a big kick out of the fact that 99.99% of your life

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happened before Costa Rica. He liked that.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that’s pretty generous, but I hope that’s accurate too. I hope it

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keeps to keep that number up for a while. No, I hope not. I hope that number keeps decreasing.

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Because if that number stops decreasing, that means you’re dead. 99% of you. How much is

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the beer? Wait a second. So 99% of my life. The bigger the number of your life that happened

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before Costa Rica. I was thinking about before now, but not before Costa Rica. But at that

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point I was in Costa Rica. So yeah. Right. Yeah. There you go. All right. Let’s talk

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about we got so Ronnie gave us some see he have some speaking feedback so at

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first first there’s a very obvious topic that I can’t believe you haven’t even

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mentioned or wanted to talk about didn’t you do something recently I did

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something what did you do besides drink beer that’s not well on Sunday oh well

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Monday I watched the Boston Marathon on TV yeah but there was something that

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happened before that maybe on Sunday oh right I ran the cheap marathon in Derry

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New Hampshire was it as cheap as they said yeah it was like 30 40 bucks dude

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that is a freaking awesome enrollment what do you call them admission price

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whatever that’s very cheap for any event these days yeah yeah I mean they didn’t

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give a lot like at the end they gave you like some yogurt and a banana the aid

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stations had nothing but Gatorade and water and for completing it at the end I

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got a little ribbon which says I ran 26.2 miles and all I got was this whole

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stupid ribbon or this lousy ribbon. There’s not even anything with your name

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they just give you a ribbon with a thing that says yay without even an exclamation

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mark. But no like most most you know all the other races that I’ve gone you get a

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medal of some sort all I got for this one was a ribbon which was kind of cute.

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Yeah. And at least you get a chicken wing, even if you’re late to the table,

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but that’s hilarious.

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Nothing. No. Anyway, but it was fun. It was fun. I would do it again.

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The course was very predictable, extremely flat. It was an old rail trail.

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So, you know, essentially you ran south about,

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you know, six and a half, six miles or so. Then you came back, did a little loop,

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ran down, did it again. And then, you know, you’re, you’re back there.

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So yeah, that was my second classic marathon, as I say.

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Well, I think you needed a flat race

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after your 50 mile adventure through the woods.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I’m trying to decide now what to go next though.

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Well, that kind of almost answers my next question,

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which is how is the body?

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Much better now.

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I was a little sore.

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I was definitely a little sore for a couple of days.

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My feet were a little sore

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and I was afraid that I might have gotten another stress fracture.

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But that does not appear to have happened.

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And unlike the day after or two days after my first marathon,

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I have not been running.

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I’m taking at least a solid week off of anything like that.

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Well, I saw that you went for a walk, though.

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Yeah, I have walked because I had to take my car to the shop

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to get the winter tires taken off and the summers put on.

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So, uh, I’ve done that and I’ve been at, uh,

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yoga for five days in a row.

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So that’s the first time I’ve done that in a long time. It’s a nice streak.

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So, uh, yeah, that’s, that’s what I’m doing. Just, you know, chilling,

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giving the body a chance to recover, looking at a new pair of running shoes,

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kind of on the fence, you know, I’m still a big fan of the, you know,

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minimalist or barefoot style shoes.

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but they do have a, there’s a place for stuff with a little more cushion. Now that said,

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the recovery shoes are my general, you know, shoes that I’ve been wearing for like most of

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my just regular, you know, average runs or whatnot, are the Altra Escalante 2.5s.

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They’re pretty cushy. They’re like all Altra shoes, they’re zero drops.

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My friend Carola who ran the marathon with me refers to them as her slow shoes.

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Now she also has, and I also have, a pair of the Altra Escalante Racers, which are similar,

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very similar shoes, except they’re a lighter material and they’re much stiffer, right? So

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they’re made for going fast, more rebound and less cushion. Those are what we both wore for the race.

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the balls of my feet hurt and my metatarsals, you know, little and the little phalanges they were

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they were a little bit hurt afterwards and that was again where the um you know where the the

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stress fracture had occurred uh back in 2021 so I was really like oh tell me I didn’t do that again

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so I am considering something maybe with a little more cushion now that said I did try just briefly

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in store and I was like I don’t like these but now I’m reconsidering the Altra Escalante 3.

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So these are all Escalantes, they’re all from ultra, but they’re different.

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And the biggest different I got, it’s like the 2.5, a little stiffer it felt, but it

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has a drop off in the front.

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So the toe basically, you know, you’ve got your platform and it’s like a, think of it

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like the front of a boat, you know, like a scoop at the front.

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So your toes naturally drops off.

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So I didn’t like the feel just because it felt like a more, I guess what you would call

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like a maximal shoe.

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You know, it felt like I’m too high up off the ground and stuff.

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But after thinking about it and feeling how my feet were hurting, I’m like, this maybe

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actually it’s exactly what I need.

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So I’m a little bit, yeah, kind of torn.

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That’s interesting.

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So did the three replace the 2.5?

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I think it’s going to, because I don’t see them selling that anymore.

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Yeah, I don’t see it.

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When I just look at the road running shoes, they don’t show the 2.5 anymore.

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But when I did a search, they still have the 2.5 on their website.

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Now the question is, are they still showing the racers anywhere?

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They do.

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They have it, yeah.

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If you look for road racing shoes, road running shoes, the racer is there.

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So the one thing that really, really did not impress me, though, and we can put a picture

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this in the show notes, is after about 12 miles, the racers were already showing significant

00:15:47.060 —> 00:15:54.220
wear on the soles, on the heels. 12 miles. I took a picture, and they make me look like

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I am a massive heel striker, which after all this time I had been wearing, you know, barefoot

00:16:01.020 —> 00:16:05.940
shoes, you would think that I wouldn’t be, but like, I would hold these up, you know,

00:16:05.940 —> 00:16:08.980
other shoes that like my new balances and stuff I’ve looked at or even my other

00:16:08.980 —> 00:16:12.460
ultras and stuff I would think that I had like over 200 miles on these just

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given the amount of wear that they have these are $140 shoes yeah I was not

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terribly impressed with that no so you know it has me reconsidering but like

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again at the same time I’ve put on like over 200 miles on my both of each of my

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pairs of the Lone Peaks which you have to write you know the dirt shoes yeah

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They show hardly anything they show hardly anywhere on the soles, you know, so I don’t know. I’m not sure what’s going on there

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But anyway, there you go. It is too bad Peter that the paradigm six is

00:16:47.420 —> 00:16:52.980
Exactly the opposite of the kind of shoe that you would want because what a beautiful name that would be for you. Yes, I

00:16:52.980 —> 00:16:58.580
Thought about that. I thought that my girlfriend should get a pair of those though. She was looking at those

00:17:02.660 —> 00:17:06.180
Free advertising. Yeah, the Peter paradigm six

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Anyway, so yeah, so I am looking at you know, I am looking at another race

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I’m trying to decide what I want to do in the fall. I want to run something

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Super duper cheap. Well, I’ve said I thought about running a half marathon

00:17:21.980 —> 00:17:28.060
I was thinking about running a half because I did so that was the fun part too about the marathon

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We’re gonna finish the story. I did shave off

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about four minutes or so off of my half marathon time and

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In the end. I think I shaved off around

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14 or 15 minutes off of my first marathon time so I was faster

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I didn’t feel like it but I was so that was pretty cool

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And that includes the four plus minutes that I stopped when calling 911 for a guy who collapsed on in front of me on the trail

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Yeah, and he was okay. Apparently he was okay

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Guy had a pacemaker and apparently the pacemaker got a little jumpy thought he was going into cardiac arrest

00:18:08.560 —> 00:18:13.940
So it shocked him but didn’t I mean didn’t this ever come up when he was conversing with his doctors?

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I’m sure that at some point he must have mentioned by the way, I’m a runner

00:18:16.660 —> 00:18:17.140

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so you must remember that I was with him for a grand total of around four or so minutes and

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That did not come up in our conversation. It was more like are you okay? Can you breathe?

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Can you tell me your name? What’s the date?

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Etc. Yeah, I’m not asking if you

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Had that conversation with him. I’m just saying I would be amazed if this wasn’t something that his

00:18:40.780 —> 00:18:45.400
doctors knew about him and therefore there has to be some way to

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To not let this happen to people who have this pacemaker but also want to go running once in a while

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Yeah, I don’t know

00:18:52.120 —> 00:18:52.520

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And going running once in a mile versus you know running a marathon to maybe a subtle difference there, right?

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Yeah, so yeah anyway, but yeah, he seemed like he was okay, you know EMTs showed up just a few minutes later the Apple watch

00:19:06.120 —> 00:19:10.120
Oh, I got to talk to you about the Apple watch the Apple watch

00:19:10.120 —> 00:19:15.280
It saved you know that you could argue some some people were saying hey you saved a life today

00:19:15.280 —> 00:19:18.880
And I was like I don’t I don’t know that I saved a life. I definitely did the right thing

00:19:18.880 —> 00:19:24.160
Yeah, yeah, it came through for this guy, which was great. It failed me miserably

00:19:25.040 —> 00:19:28.700
Right off the bat. Well, here’s a bug that I have recently

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I’ve been aware of this for at least two software versions on the watch now

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Every now and then I noticed this when I start a workout

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Playback is extremely slow

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It doesn’t matter if it’s voice or if it’s the Siri voice or if it’s music

00:19:50.440 —> 00:19:58.380
But the playback is slow and like I played a podcast and instead of hearing Patrick Gray on the risky business

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Podcasting on hey everyone. Welcome to risky business. It was like hey everyone

00:20:02.420 —> 00:20:10.400
Welcome to another edition of risky business and even my Siri voice does that it’s like

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starting your

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Workout, you know who you reminded me of when you were doing the Patrick Gray slow voice

00:20:17.960 —> 00:20:23.320
It was that remember the name of that comedians. He would sound real emo all the time. He would just be like

00:20:23.320 —> 00:20:27.560
I can’t remember his name

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Stephen Wright. No, no, no. No. Okay. I’ll look this guy up

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Anyway, anyway, so the the fix is I have to reboot the watch and then it works fine

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So here I am Sunday morning. They call my name

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I hit start workout and guess what I hear as I put my 180 beats per a minute playlist

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Significantly fewer than 180 beats per minute. That’s what I heard

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So I run out of the starting gate and for the first quarter mile spent that time rebooting my watch

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Which by the way also drained its battery by about 8%

00:21:04.920 —> 00:21:08.640
And this is the ultra we’re talking about

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So because I started with like 90 some odd percent and then by the time I got it all rebooted and everything

00:21:15.600 —> 00:21:18.880
It was at 91% I was like, alright, well, whatever it’s an ultra

00:21:18.880 —> 00:21:21.280
It should be able to still handle, you know the day

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But then it never showed my cadence or my real-time speed the entire marathon

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It would show me my rolling pace and my average mileage pace

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But it would never show real time in the end it recorded them or it recorded something it it wrote something down

00:21:37.860 —> 00:21:39.860
It put a number on the page

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But it didn’t and that was like, you know

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Like I tried not to think about it and mostly I didn’t think about it

00:21:46.380 —> 00:21:51.820
I was thinking left right left right, but every time I would glance down at my watch with the carefully curated

00:21:51.820 —> 00:21:59.820
Workout view that I made just for this I look and I see nothing. No pace great. Oh, no cadence either

00:21:59.820 —> 00:22:06.020
I’m I’m levitating awesome. Was it just dashes or what? Yeah, just dashes the whole time. That is annoying

00:22:06.380 —> 00:22:12.240
Yeah, it was annoying. I think watch OS watch OS for me has some bugs in this last uPeteyate

00:22:12.240 —> 00:22:15.480
like right now if I get a message I

00:22:15.480 —> 00:22:22.360
Can go to messages and if I’m looking at the view that shows all your messages not a specific message

00:22:22.360 —> 00:22:28.960
But all your I can read the preview. Yeah, but if I tap on a message to read the whole thing messages just crashes. Yep

00:22:28.960 —> 00:22:31.820
the other one is

00:22:31.820 —> 00:22:37.720
Activity if I get a notification from someone’s activity achievement if I tap on it to respond I can tap on it

00:22:37.720 —> 00:22:43.220
It’ll go into the thing where you can respond, but when I tap respond it just goes back to the previous view

00:22:43.220 —> 00:22:47.980
It’s an endless loop. It just that stuff doesn’t work for me anymore and also on carplay

00:22:47.980 —> 00:22:50.540
This is my phone now not my watch but on carplay

00:22:50.540 —> 00:22:55.340
The messages doesn’t read out loud it acts like it’s doing it

00:22:55.340 —> 00:23:00.440
But I hear nothing and when I compose a message it tries to play it back to me, but I hear nothing

00:23:00.940 —> 00:23:06.840
So messages is screwed on both watch and phone for me right now and it’s very annoying. Yeah

00:23:06.840 —> 00:23:13.160
Messages has been working. Okay for me on that. So so anyway, I and I have not gotten around to calling Apple because

00:23:13.160 —> 00:23:17.840
Working with them for tech support issues is so pain and such a pain in the eye

00:23:17.840 —> 00:23:22.240
I don’t know why you ever would I’ve never called Apple the only time I’ve ever called Apple is for hardware

00:23:22.240 —> 00:23:24.660
I was just gonna say the only time I’m gonna bother

00:23:24.660 —> 00:23:28.200
Calling them for anything is when I suspect it’s a hardware issue

00:23:28.960 —> 00:23:32.540
What but but but here how am I supposed to know my watch every now?

00:23:32.540 —> 00:23:37.820
And then just you know it fixes that after a reboot probably a software problem, so I’m not gonna bother on this one

00:23:37.820 —> 00:23:41.400
That said I would like to give you some credit well

00:23:41.400 —> 00:23:45.060
I was gonna say that you should actually contact Apple about and just let them know

00:23:45.060 —> 00:23:52.320
Why there you think they’re gonna actually listen and make a note of it somewhere, but that might be a violation of App Store policy

00:23:52.320 —> 00:23:58.520
Something that Amazon is doing anyway go ahead and describe it. Yeah, so for years now

00:23:58.520 —> 00:24:06.760
now when playing back Bluetooth and having a conversation like on any sort of call, not just

00:24:06.760 —> 00:24:14.760
listening music, not playing podcasts, but it could be a Skype call, Slack call, WebEx, or a phone call

00:24:14.760 —> 00:24:19.880
every now and then, and it has to be on Bluetooth, right? It has to be on Bluetooth. Every now and then,

00:24:19.880 —> 00:24:27.640
for no other reason that I can understand, I go into Decepticon mode. And either I, while speaking,

00:24:27.640 —> 00:24:31.480
or me listening to the other party on the call all of a sudden starts sounding like

00:24:31.480 —> 00:24:40.680
and then it goes back to normal and you know i i literally lost count how many calls i had

00:24:40.680 —> 00:24:45.720
with apple on this how many different senior advisors i got escalated to i know yeah how

00:24:45.720 —> 00:24:51.160
many things they had you try oh they wipe the you know wipe the phone oh you didn’t wipe the phone

00:24:51.160 —> 00:24:55.320
the right way oh you wiped it but then you reinstall all your apps well you have to reinstall

00:24:55.320 —> 00:24:59.480
them one at a time. I’m like, dude, I have 200 apps installed. You know, come on.

00:24:59.480 —> 00:25:02.200
One at a time, Peter, one at a time.

00:25:02.200 —> 00:25:07.160
One at a time. But I had this suspicion, and here’s the reason. I also had the suspicion

00:25:07.160 —> 00:25:12.840
that it was the Alexa app. For some time, whenever I would drive home, I would notice

00:25:12.840 —> 00:25:20.360
that audio playback would get interrupted when I would trip a geofence. And it would happen

00:25:20.360 —> 00:25:23.640
always. It always seemed to happen when I came home, though. It didn’t seem to happen when I

00:25:23.640 —> 00:25:29.720
left even though I was also tripping fences there. But it got me thinking, okay, what apps are tripping

00:25:29.720 —> 00:25:36.040
geofences? And well, I have the A-word app installed on my phone because I was using it for all of my

00:25:36.040 —> 00:25:41.160
home automation. And as I started to move towards HomeKit, I started to wean myself off of that. Now,

00:25:41.160 —> 00:25:47.080
I still have the app installed, but what I did is I removed its access to Bluetooth and I removed its

00:25:47.080 —> 00:25:56.040
access to location data. I replaced the geofences with homekit ones instead, and it’s been about

00:25:56.040 —> 00:26:00.600
two weeks so far, and I’ve aggressively been making phone calls with the phone,

00:26:00.600 —> 00:26:04.680
and I have not had this problem. And who have you been making these aggressive phone calls to?

00:26:04.680 —> 00:26:11.160
Mostly coworkers. This is Peter, dammit! Get to work! Two weeks. I thought it had actually been

00:26:11.160 —> 00:26:15.160
longer than that, but that’s not bad, but you definitely still need some more time before you

00:26:15.160 —> 00:26:19.720
believe in this, but. Yeah, well, I mean, this is the thing, it’s like, recall now this,

00:26:19.720 —> 00:26:24.440
and I forget how many different podcasts I’ve talked about this problem on and which podcasts

00:26:24.440 —> 00:26:31.200
it was, but I had this problem on an iPhone 12 with AirPods Pro. I had the same problem

00:26:31.200 —> 00:26:38.560
on an iPhone 14. I had the problem with AirPods Pro 2. Eventually, eventually I had the problem

00:26:38.560 —> 00:26:45.680
in my Tesla connected, but the common thing was always the iPhone and being on a call.

00:26:45.680 —> 00:26:49.920
Right. But obviously hardware independent. Very obviously hardware independent.

00:26:49.920 —> 00:26:55.440
Well, obvious to you and me, but not to the last senior advisor I talked to. It was like,

00:26:55.440 —> 00:27:02.640
“Oh, we’ll send you a new set of AirPods.” I was like, “Are you hearing the words coming out of my mouth?”

00:27:02.640 —> 00:27:04.800
Apparently not. Apparently not.

00:27:04.800 —> 00:27:10.560
Yeah, anyway, yeah, what made me think of it was it was the regular Amazon app does the same thing.

00:27:10.560 —> 00:27:14.960
It does weird things to my audio when I open and close it. If I’m listening to a podcast or

00:27:14.960 —> 00:27:18.560
something or I’m listening to anything with Bluetooth, I can hear it go away. And then if

00:27:18.560 —> 00:27:23.520
I’m lucky, it comes back. Right. But that’s what made me remember the fact that some of these

00:27:23.520 —> 00:27:26.720
companies are doing weird things with audio that I don’t know if they’re supposed to be doing.

00:27:26.720 —> 00:27:32.880
I’m very curious about that because Apple has to know. I bet Amazon is an exception. I bet

00:27:33.600 —> 00:27:40.060
Amazon is one of those companies that Apple gives some permission to do some things they shouldn’t because they need Amazon etc, etc

00:27:40.060 —> 00:27:44.100
Now that they can actually sell their products against stuff, right?

00:27:44.100 —> 00:27:46.580
Yeah, so

00:27:46.580 —> 00:27:51.580
Anyway, I am not hating my my air pods anymore

00:27:51.580 —> 00:27:56.800
I am no longer afraid to answer phone calls when I have my air but I was dude

00:27:56.800 —> 00:28:02.320
I felt like an idiot because I’d be talking to someone, you know, it could be an important person at work

00:28:02.320 —> 00:28:09.840
it could be a new prospect, you know, and all of a sudden, they’re like, excuse me?

00:28:09.840 —> 00:28:11.840
Like Satan? Is that you?

00:28:11.840 —> 00:28:15.280
No, I am Megatron.

00:28:15.280 —> 00:28:19.920
I don’t know, it’s kind of cool that you burst into an evil superhero mode.

00:28:19.920 —> 00:28:25.120
Yeah, so yeah, except he’s a villain, that’s the thing. Now, if I was going into, you know,

00:28:25.120 —> 00:28:29.680
if I was going into Autobots mode, that would be different. Like, I am Optimus Prime.

00:28:29.680 —> 00:28:33.760
Well, Peter, I want to tell you, I am afraid to answer phone calls. And the reason why is it’s

00:28:33.760 —> 00:28:38.080
all these aggressive people who are testing their AirPods. I don’t know what’s out. Aggressively

00:28:38.080 —> 00:28:42.320
calling me. He thought road rage was bad. AirPod rage is worse.

00:28:42.320 —> 00:28:49.520
Oh my God. It is. You know what? Even on a good day, even on a good day, you never know 100%

00:28:49.520 —> 00:28:53.520
for sure if you put your AirPods in or you’re in the process of putting your… You never know for

00:28:53.520 —> 00:28:58.560
sure that the phone is actually going to direct the call to the correct… It’s so bad.

00:28:58.560 —> 00:29:06.880
Oh no no, yeah that is totally, I mean, that is totally a thing where you never know and even I’ll

00:29:06.880 —> 00:29:13.840
answer the phone, I’ll answer the call by pushing the button on the AirPods. Yes yes yes. And

00:29:13.840 —> 00:29:22.080
holding the phone, watch it go straight to handset mode. Yes. I’m like, you know how I just picked up

00:29:22.080 —> 00:29:28.160
the, it’s the equivalent of back in the old days when you had multiple hardwired phones in the

00:29:28.160 —> 00:29:34.000
the house and you’d pick it up in the living room but but they would be expecting to hear

00:29:34.000 —> 00:29:39.920
you talk in the bedroom that’s the equivalent of what happens with apple yeah and just dumb

00:29:39.920 —> 00:29:43.760
things like you don’t know how many times i’ve had to reboot my phone to get my airpods

00:29:43.760 —> 00:29:49.100
pro just to connect again yes i do all of them every time you’ve had to do it every

00:29:49.100 —> 00:29:54.220
time not every time but quite a quite a few times but i was close wasn’t i you were closer

00:29:54.220 —> 00:29:59.220
than not. By the way, that guy’s name was Emo Philips. Literally I said emo and I forgot

00:29:59.220 —> 00:30:04.620
that his name was emo. Emo Philips. Yeah. Okay. Not as familiar with his stuff, but

00:30:04.620 —> 00:30:09.820
anyway. It’s just a matter of speech. So I made my made peace with my AirPods Pro. FYI

00:30:09.820 —> 00:30:17.640
also, I generally now run with my AirPods. I will still, I still have a cheapo pair of

00:30:17.640 —> 00:30:23.280
Curdines they were like $25 on Amazon. Kardashians? What? No, not Kardashians

00:30:23.280 —> 00:30:26.760
I don’t have a pair of those but yeah, my girlfriend says I need three women

00:30:26.760 —> 00:30:31.380
So maybe you know should pick up a couple of those. Those earbuds are real big in the back. Big ass buds

00:30:31.380 —> 00:30:33.440
They’re like the Bose buds

00:30:33.440 —> 00:30:40.240
Anyway, I will probably keep using those for mountain biking because like when I’m mountain biking at speed if I lose something

00:30:40.240 —> 00:30:41.960
Oh, yeah, it’s gone forever

00:30:41.960 —> 00:30:45.800
Yeah, exactly. But generally, you know, I’ll run with the pros with

00:30:46.400 —> 00:30:49.220
Squishy tips. I got the comply felt tips, you know

00:30:49.220 —> 00:30:55.800
Foam tips not felt tips. I kind of like the ones that there’s another brand that has foam underneath

00:30:55.800 —> 00:30:58.820
But they have the silicon on top of that

00:30:58.820 —> 00:31:03.640
And I really like that because I don’t like the way the foam fills in my ears, especially when I’m exercising

00:31:03.640 —> 00:31:09.820
How long do they last I’ve noticed the comply ones they seem to they start to break down pretty quickly

00:31:09.820 —> 00:31:14.460
These are about the same because they have the foam underneath because the foam is what’s holding the shape in your ear

00:31:14.460 —> 00:31:20.820
So these are similar longevity. Okay, because these you know, but they start to wear like it’s like the outer shell

00:31:20.820 —> 00:31:25.580
Wearers on these they do and you can tell a difference like when you first use them you squeeze them you put them in and

00:31:25.580 —> 00:31:29.220
Then they seal right up and they’re beautiful and then it doesn’t take long before you notice

00:31:29.220 —> 00:31:36.340
Oh, these aren’t sealing the way they used to hmm. Yeah. Oh, well, I saw at least one person one person

00:31:36.340 —> 00:31:43.780
I think probably just one maybe two but one guy who was in like the top five top top ten anyway in the you know

00:31:43.780 —> 00:31:51.060
in the race, the full marathon, wearing full-sized either like Bose or Sony or AirPod Max

00:31:51.060 —> 00:31:57.540
headphones, running the fucking marathon, the whole thing. And this guy was fast. He was like,

00:31:57.540 —> 00:32:01.780
I don’t remember, he was in the top 10. And I was like, that’s impressive.

00:32:01.780 —> 00:32:05.860
He went running by you like Forrest Gump with his arms swinging. And he’s got these giant-

00:32:05.860 —> 00:32:08.020
Giant headphones. I was like, oh, okay.

00:32:08.020 —> 00:32:13.220
One year when I did the Portland Century, there was a guy riding an old Steely.

00:32:13.220 —> 00:32:19.380
I mean, at least it had gears. It wasn’t a fixie. But he was riding a steelie. He was wearing jeans

00:32:19.380 —> 00:32:24.020
and a tank top. He had normal sneaker tennis shoes on, so he wasn’t even, his feet weren’t even

00:32:24.020 —> 00:32:29.220
strapped into the pedals. It was just old school pedaling. And that guy was fast. That guy was

00:32:29.220 —> 00:32:34.340
amazing. Just the fact that he was doing an entire century in what I would consider heavy,

00:32:34.340 —> 00:32:40.340
old suboptimal equipment in terrible clothes. And he was just gone. And I was like, you know,

00:32:40.340 —> 00:32:46.740
that’s actually pretty cool. Yep. So yeah, I mean some people can do stuff like that.

00:32:46.740 —> 00:32:51.140
So I think probably more of us could if we… I mean they used to do it in the old days,

00:32:51.140 —> 00:32:56.260
that’s the thing. Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, but they maybe… I don’t think Century rides were as

00:32:56.260 —> 00:33:00.100
popular back then as they are now. I don’t know, because I wasn’t around back then.

00:33:00.100 —> 00:33:07.060
Now you have this interesting topic that you’ve put down that I’ve been going out of my way to

00:33:07.060 —> 00:33:13.380
not talk about on the podcast. The thing about the GPT whole conversation that I can’t stand is

00:33:13.380 —> 00:33:19.940
I get really tired of people using it for things that it’s clearly not meant for or arguing with

00:33:19.940 —> 00:33:25.380
it about its rules. It’s artificial general AI. Quit arguing with it about what it’s allowed to

00:33:25.380 —> 00:33:29.540
do and what it’s not allowed to do and just use it for the things it’s good at. Like writing scripts,

00:33:29.540 —> 00:33:34.900
it’s actually amazing at writing bash scripts. It is pretty good at writing scripts of all kinds

00:33:34.900 —> 00:33:40.660
except for it does get confused with AppleScript but who the hell doesn’t?

00:33:40.660 —> 00:33:43.820
But honestly so far even with AppleScript the only AppleScript it screwed up for me

00:33:43.820 —> 00:33:46.460
it wasn’t an AppleScript error per se.

00:33:46.460 —> 00:33:47.860
It was a logic error.

00:33:47.860 —> 00:33:52.660
It changed the name of a file before then referring to the file by its original name

00:33:52.660 —> 00:33:53.660
and trying to move it.

00:33:53.660 —> 00:33:55.860
And of course that file didn’t exist anymore.

00:33:55.860 —> 00:33:58.260
That was just a simple logic error.

00:33:58.260 —> 00:34:03.580
Instead of wasting time on trying to use it for things that it clearly is suboptimal for

00:34:03.580 —> 00:34:08.620
or even could be dangerous for. Like the other thing I don’t want to see it used for is I

00:34:08.620 —> 00:34:13.740
you know that people are already using different kinds of AI to make decisions about other people’s

00:34:13.740 —> 00:34:20.300
lives. Counseling. Whether it be insurance, whether it be counseling, whether it be taxes.

00:34:20.300 —> 00:34:26.620
The penal system? Hello? You know there are places where police use suggestions for where crimes are

00:34:26.620 —> 00:34:32.780
going to take place and have you seen the movie Minority Report? It’s stuff that would lead to

00:34:32.780 —> 00:34:37.820
that. So, anyway, that’s the kind of stuff that I’m not as interested in. I don’t see the point

00:34:37.820 —> 00:34:42.540
of fighting back and forth with it for three hours at a time on what it can do and what it can’t do.

00:34:42.540 —> 00:34:46.460
That just seems pointless to me. But there are some things that it’s pretty good at.

00:34:46.460 —> 00:34:51.100
Yeah. Well, I’m glad you see that too. Because I thought it was funny because, you know, like,

00:34:51.100 —> 00:34:55.020
you would be sending me all these different articles on it. And for the first several weeks,

00:34:55.020 —> 00:34:58.460
it was all just like, “Look, it sucks at this. Look, it’s getting all these things wrong.”

00:34:59.260 —> 00:35:02.940
But I was trying to counterbalance you because I felt like you only saw the…

00:35:02.940 —> 00:35:05.260
I felt like you were becoming highly aroused by chatgpt.

00:35:05.260 —> 00:35:11.100
I don’t know if “aroused” is the word I would use, but I would say “excited.”

00:35:11.100 —> 00:35:13.020

00:35:13.020 —> 00:35:16.140
But I’m still using it as a tool.

00:35:16.140 —> 00:35:17.820
Yes, that’s how you should use it.

00:35:17.820 —> 00:35:21.020
But that’s what I’ve been saying since day one. It’s a tool.

00:35:21.020 —> 00:35:26.700
And what I wanted to bring up to you is, I think you should look at MacGPT.

00:35:27.580 —> 00:35:29.660
if you haven’t already, I’m sure I sent you a link to it.

00:35:29.660 —> 00:35:31.460
Yeah, I’ve had that since you told me about it.

00:35:31.460 —> 00:35:32.200

00:35:32.200 —> 00:35:33.620
It hardly ever works for me.

00:35:33.620 —> 00:35:37.660
I often need to reload it and it doesn’t like log in and.

00:35:37.660 —> 00:35:39.500
Oh, no, no, it works 100% of the time for me.

00:35:39.500 —> 00:35:40.420
It’s never logged out.

00:35:40.420 —> 00:35:43.300
The only thing that that I don’t like about it is

00:35:43.300 —> 00:35:47.840
after your history builds up for a long time, it becomes very slow.

00:35:47.840 —> 00:35:51.340
And I told the guy, hey, look, you might want to page that history or something

00:35:51.340 —> 00:35:55.400
instead of it seems to me like it’s loading the entire history every time.

00:35:55.400 —> 00:35:57.180
And that’s probably not very performant.

00:35:57.180 —> 00:36:00.640
So I sent him a feedback saying, “There’s got to be something you can do about that.”

00:36:00.640 —> 00:36:03.000
But other than that, no, it’s worked great for me.

00:36:03.000 —> 00:36:06.880
The thing I like about it is you can use it in a native UI as opposed to just the web

00:36:06.880 —> 00:36:07.880

00:36:07.880 —> 00:36:09.520
You know what I have found?

00:36:09.520 —> 00:36:12.660
Okay, so here is like I’ve got signed out of it.

00:36:12.660 —> 00:36:14.060
I just tried to sign in.

00:36:14.060 —> 00:36:18.840
I punched in my username and my password and it brought me right back to the login page

00:36:18.840 —> 00:36:19.840

00:36:19.840 —> 00:36:21.240
That might be an OpenAI problem.

00:36:21.240 —> 00:36:22.240
That might not be.

00:36:22.240 —> 00:36:23.720
I’m logging back in.

00:36:23.720 —> 00:36:25.880
Go to the OpenAI website and see what happens.

00:36:25.880 —> 00:36:31.800
All right, now it worked. Now it worked. Now, what I don’t recall, it is interfacing with

00:36:31.800 —> 00:36:34.600
ChatGPT though, right? So anything that I do here-

00:36:34.600 —> 00:36:38.200
Yeah, that’s why when you’re logging in, you’re logging into OpenAI.

00:36:38.200 —> 00:36:41.640
Right, right. But what I’m saying is it’s going to preserve my history and stuff. So if I have

00:36:41.640 —> 00:36:44.600
a conversation in one, I’ll have it in the other, right?

00:36:44.600 —> 00:36:47.320
I don’t know about that.

00:36:47.320 —> 00:36:51.080
Say hello to Scott. Enter.

00:36:51.080 —> 00:36:52.360
Say hello to my little friend.

00:36:52.920 —> 00:36:56.760
Hello, Scott. I hope you’re having a great day. How can I help you today?

00:36:56.760 —> 00:36:58.600
So did you put your open AI key in there?

00:36:58.600 —> 00:37:00.680
No, I just use a username and password to log in.

00:37:00.680 —> 00:37:04.920
Right, but… Okay, I used the open AI key because it…

00:37:04.920 —> 00:37:08.920
Oh, yeah, it’s there. So it’s back in the ChatGPT. Because what I was going to say is

00:37:08.920 —> 00:37:15.880
there’s one advantage that I use, you know, the chat… So I pay for both ChatGPT+.

00:37:15.880 —> 00:37:21.480
I also have an API key and I’m writing a number of like little utility scripts. Well,

00:37:21.480 —> 00:37:24.280
Okay, full disclosure, ChatGPT is helping me write—

00:37:24.280 —> 00:37:29.480
Okay, full disclosure, ChatGPT is writing a bunch of Python scripts for me these days,

00:37:29.480 —> 00:37:36.120
but I’m using it to sort of get back into Python, and I’m wondering if I should take a look at

00:37:36.120 —> 00:37:42.520
something like Rust or Go right now and use this as a way to sort of learn, you know, like,

00:37:42.520 —> 00:37:44.840
“Show me how this works in Rust,” you know, something like that.

00:37:44.840 —> 00:37:47.000
That’s honestly what I like it for, is for—

00:37:47.560 —> 00:37:53.240
even if it doesn’t exactly do the script correctly, and I’ve had to give it corrections a few times,

00:37:53.240 —> 00:37:55.720
what it does with those, who knows? Oh, a bunch of times.

00:37:55.720 —> 00:38:00.440
But it gives you the broad outline and it gives you a better idea of where to start looking.

00:38:00.440 —> 00:38:06.600
Absolutely. No, again, it’s at least 80% every time, right? It gets me way down the field where

00:38:06.600 —> 00:38:11.880
I’m trying to go. But the problem is though, is if it doesn’t get you that last 20 or 10%

00:38:12.680 —> 00:38:19.000
and you expect it’s going to, that seems to be an exercise in futility. Like if it comes up and it

00:38:19.000 —> 00:38:23.880
does something wrong and I’m like, “No, I still have this error,” and it’ll be like, “Oh, well,

00:38:23.880 —> 00:38:31.560
let’s try this.” It obviously is flailing at that point in my experience. Yes, yes, exactly. I had

00:38:31.560 —> 00:38:36.440
a problem where it looked at the error message and told me, “This is probably what’s wrong.” I looked

00:38:36.440 —> 00:38:40.280
at the error message and said, “I don’t think so.” Well, I looked at the error message in the code

00:38:40.280 —> 00:38:45.320
and said, “I don’t think so.” And then, yeah, it was one of those things where it was flailing.

00:38:45.320 —> 00:38:49.240
And I finally troubleshot it myself. And then I said, “Here’s what actually happened. Here’s what

00:38:49.240 —> 00:38:53.240
you actually needed to do.” And it was like, “Oh, thank you. That is very useful feedback.”

00:38:53.240 —> 00:38:58.520
I don’t know if, I don’t think that ChatGPT has the capability of incorporating feedback like

00:38:58.520 —> 00:39:03.160
that into its learning process. I don’t know, but it claims it’s always learning, but…

00:39:04.280 —> 00:39:11.320
They say that the big thing that people need to be afraid of is the content that you’re uploading is

00:39:11.320 —> 00:39:15.400
going back into the system. I mean, it’s going somewhere, right? OpenAI is keeping it. Whether

00:39:15.400 —> 00:39:20.600
it’s going into the GPT, I don’t know. But they’re definitely keeping your data.

00:39:20.600 —> 00:39:26.520
Right. But that’s another reason why, for personal use, I have no problems using this for

00:39:26.520 —> 00:39:31.480
programming. I wouldn’t use it for other things. And then let’s look at my employment at Monolith

00:39:31.480 —> 00:39:36.280 3000. I guarantee you Monolith 3000 doesn’t want people feeding our code into this thing.

00:39:36.280 —> 00:39:44.760
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. With the hospital, I definitely have been spending some time

00:39:44.760 —> 00:39:52.200
analyzing those folks who are accessing chat.openAI. And just openAI. I haven’t even looked into all

00:39:52.200 —> 00:39:59.800
the competitors and other stuff out there now too. But I could very easily see doctors putting PHI

00:39:59.800 —> 00:40:04.440
right into this interface and not realizing that they’re doing a HIPAA violation or something. So

00:40:04.440 —> 00:40:09.480
we’re a little concerned about stuff like that. Here’s one case where I’m glad that my doctor is

00:40:09.480 —> 00:40:15.160
a little too old school because I promise you he’s never going to rely on ChatGPT for a diagnosis of

00:40:15.160 —> 00:40:21.720
Scott Wilsey. And that makes me very thankful. Excellent. Now, the reason that I was talking

00:40:21.720 —> 00:40:28.840
about the licensing, having both the API key and I was thinking about getting rid of stop paying

00:40:28.840 —> 00:40:35.640
for ChatGPT plus. But I get a lot of value of just having all these chats in the history

00:40:35.640 —> 00:40:42.920
right there. So I’m basically paying for that convenience and the ability to copy code,

00:40:42.920 —> 00:40:48.680
the copy widget is very helpful. So I was telling my friend about this, she’s a solar panel

00:40:48.680 —> 00:40:54.760
engineer and she was asking, because they do a lot of international work for a European company.

00:40:54.760 —> 00:40:56.520
Can she get you a deal on solar panels?

00:40:56.520 —> 00:41:04.520
probably. And so she was talking about how there are different regulations all over different parts

00:41:04.520 —> 00:41:08.440
of Europe, and here you have to follow this standard, here you have to have that standard.

00:41:08.440 —> 00:41:12.920
And I was like, “Well, give me an example. What are you trying to ask?” And the question wasn’t

00:41:12.920 —> 00:41:18.760
well-worded, and I was like, “Okay, so are you trying to ask what…” Here’s the question I

00:41:18.760 —> 00:41:23.800
finally… If I came down after asking her back and forth, I gave her some tips on basically

00:41:23.800 —> 00:41:31.080
I’m prompting. What safety factors standards apply when calculating wind forces on roof

00:41:31.080 —> 00:41:40.920
mount solar modules in Switzerland? And it came back in so many words saying it’s the SIA-261/6.

00:41:40.920 —> 00:41:43.800
And I looked at it and I was like, “Does that mean anything?” She’s like, “Yeah, no, that’s exactly

00:41:43.800 —> 00:41:48.920
what I needed to know.” And I said, “Okay, so you might want to just fact check this, right? But you

00:41:48.920 —> 00:41:53.280
you can look up now, Google, you know, SIA 261/6,

00:41:53.280 —> 00:41:54.920
and then just double check that.

00:41:54.920 —> 00:41:58.720
But you know, the amount of time I spend Googling

00:41:58.720 —> 00:42:00.860
for stuff now has gone way down.

00:42:00.860 —> 00:42:03.520
Chat GPT has, for most things,

00:42:03.520 —> 00:42:06.520
has become my default search engine for starters.

00:42:06.520 —> 00:42:10.960
For like, not news, obviously, not brand new stuff.

00:42:10.960 —> 00:42:11.800
Right, right, right.

00:42:11.800 —> 00:42:13.480
But how do I do this?

00:42:13.480 —> 00:42:15.340
How can I do this?

00:42:15.340 —> 00:42:17.400
What does it mean when this happens?

00:42:17.400 —> 00:42:23.160
For procedural based things, it is super good. For stuff that requires documentation and

00:42:23.160 —> 00:42:30.560
rigid structure, it’s super good. Way better than Googling. It’s not good as a general

00:42:30.560 —> 00:42:35.360
search engine and it’s not… But here’s the thing, I would argue that Google is not good

00:42:35.360 —> 00:42:37.680
as a search engine anymore.

00:42:37.680 —> 00:42:41.880
Bingo. And there’s Bing, Go. Yeah.

00:42:41.880 —> 00:42:46.360
Right. So, and then the other two I wanted to bring up to you were, of course, you know

00:42:46.360 —> 00:42:50.880
about S-GPT? I have it installed on my laptop, on my Mac,

00:42:50.880 —> 00:42:55.120
yeah, my iPhone. Now here’s the interesting thing. I also,

00:42:55.120 —> 00:42:59.580
of course, because I have shortcuts, it’s also on my Mac. If I use it from the share

00:42:59.580 —> 00:43:07.880
sheet in Safari on my Mac, nothing happens. And I have figured out that it is not an S-GPT

00:43:07.880 —> 00:43:14.380
problem, it is a Safari problem. For some reason, on my Mac, and apparently my Mac only,

00:43:14.380 —> 00:43:19.860
When I use the share sheet and I share a webpage to anything, it’s not showing it as a webpage,

00:43:19.860 —> 00:43:20.960
it’s doing something weird.

00:43:20.960 —> 00:43:21.960
Something weird is happening.

00:43:21.960 —> 00:43:26.220
It either thinks it’s a PeteyF or something weird is going on and I haven’t figured out why

00:43:26.220 —> 00:43:27.220

00:43:27.220 —> 00:43:28.640
Anyway, my Mac is broken that way.

00:43:28.640 —> 00:43:30.800
My Safari instance and I have no idea why.

00:43:30.800 —> 00:43:35.860
But anyway, if I just take a URL and I give it to that, it behaves the same way.

00:43:35.860 —> 00:43:42.260
It goes and downloads the URL and feeds the body of the page into chatgpt.

00:43:42.260 —> 00:43:47.540
So SGBT is good, but the one I’ve been using on the iPhone also is called Petey.

00:43:47.540 —> 00:43:51.360
And it’s a $4 app or $5 app.

00:43:51.360 —> 00:43:55.820
It has a subscription, but if you have an API key, you don’t have to pay the subscription.

00:43:55.820 —> 00:44:02.260
He only has the subscription to cover the accessing and using OpenAI, the ChatGPT costs

00:44:02.260 —> 00:44:05.440
that he would incur if you aren’t paying for them.

00:44:05.440 —> 00:44:09.000
So if you have an API key, it gets logged against you and then you don’t have to pay

00:44:09.000 —> 00:44:10.640
a subscription for that app.

00:44:10.640 —> 00:44:14.580
Feel like I have to download an app named Petey

00:44:14.580 —> 00:44:19.680
Yeah, even though I hate when anyone would dare call me that I feel like I should at least take a look at that

00:44:19.680 —> 00:44:27.280
Petey I’ve never even thought about calling your Petey Petey AI assistant four dollars and ninety nine cents get answers on any questions, etc

00:44:27.280 —> 00:44:29.080
Etc. I also

00:44:29.080 —> 00:44:32.160
So so after I told my friend about this she downloaded

00:44:32.160 —> 00:44:36.480
I think it might be the one that’s the next one down on the list that I just searched for

00:44:38.160 —> 00:44:41.460
No, it wasn’t 11 labs. That’s not the next one. I have is called

00:44:41.460 —> 00:44:48.280
I don’t know, but the one I have is called AI chat chat bot something something but she downloaded it and she said yeah

00:44:48.280 —> 00:44:52.040
But you know you’re paying $20 a month. This was $99 for lifetime and

00:44:52.040 —> 00:44:55.740
I was like at first I was like you just got scammed

00:44:55.740 —> 00:44:59.540
You know I was really concerned about it, but maybe not

00:44:59.540 —> 00:45:04.220
Well, no, I looked at it a little more and apparently you know I did the math

00:45:04.980 —> 00:45:09.580
So, apparently they’re just banking, she would have to do like what?

00:45:09.580 —> 00:45:14.420
They’re banking on the fact that she’ll never use that many requests in the lifetime of

00:45:14.420 —> 00:45:15.420
that app.

00:45:15.420 —> 00:45:16.420

00:45:16.420 —> 00:45:17.420

00:45:17.420 —> 00:45:18.420
And I thought about it.

00:45:18.420 —> 00:45:19.420
I was like, “Well, wait, could I use this?

00:45:19.420 —> 00:45:20.420
Do I want to…

00:45:20.420 —> 00:45:21.420
Should I…

00:45:21.420 —> 00:45:24.700
Because five months of GPT Plus, that’s the same cost of this app.”

00:45:24.700 —> 00:45:31.080
But I really like the flexibility of being able to access it in a web browser and also

00:45:31.080 —> 00:45:35.080
from a Windows computer, not, you know, just from an iOS device, for instance.

00:45:35.080 —> 00:45:39.080
And the other thing is, like, admittedly, the last week and a half,

00:45:39.080 —> 00:45:43.080
I haven’t really done much with it, because I haven’t done much programming at all, and I haven’t done

00:45:43.080 —> 00:45:47.080
much other weird things that I’ve wanted to use it for. But even when I was

00:45:47.080 —> 00:45:51.080
using it all the time, for a few days, I was given, like, a

00:45:51.080 —> 00:45:55.080
free dollar credit or something when I signed up for OpenAI. I don’t know how I got the

00:45:55.080 —> 00:45:59.080
fee. But I’m not even close to using up my $5.

00:45:59.080 —> 00:46:01.080
Not even close.

00:46:01.080 —> 00:46:07.240
Okay, so I had a credit. It was like an, I had a like an $18 credit or something like that.

00:46:07.240 —> 00:46:13.720
And I never used it because I signed up for it. I got the credit. I never used it. And then it expired.

00:46:13.720 —> 00:46:15.080

00:46:15.080 —> 00:46:17.240
It expired after like three months or something.

00:46:17.240 —> 00:46:21.720
Mine was applied automatically. It just, it was, it just showed up as a balance. I have a $5 balance.

00:46:21.720 —> 00:46:25.400
Every time I do queries, it’s coming out of that and I’m not even close to using it. And I don’t

00:46:25.400 —> 00:46:27.080
even know how I got that $5 balance.

00:46:27.080 —> 00:46:31.480
Well, that’s the thing is I think it was applied when I just made an account.

00:46:31.480 —> 00:46:37.800
And I did not pay for GPT for a while because they didn’t have a way to pay for it for a while.

00:46:37.800 —> 00:46:43.240
They had API access, but I didn’t, you know, I was like, what’s this API access thing? I’m not

00:46:43.240 —> 00:46:47.960
paying any attention to that. I’m just used. This is great. And then by the time I realized it,

00:46:47.960 —> 00:46:51.640
you know, I looked at it and I was like, oh yeah, you had me, you know, such and such credit. It

00:46:51.640 —> 00:46:53.640
It expired three days ago.

00:46:53.640 —> 00:46:55.700
So, all right, whatever.

00:46:55.700 —> 00:47:00.700
Right now to date, I have used $3.32 of API charges to date.

00:47:00.700 —> 00:47:06.120
And $2.20 was on a single night,

00:47:06.120 —> 00:47:07.680
the night I got started with it.

00:47:07.680 —> 00:47:09.280
‘Cause I was just hammering on the thing,

00:47:09.280 —> 00:47:12.920
like throwing it giant PeteyF files and saying parse this

00:47:12.920 —> 00:47:15.040
and read that and yada, yada, yada.

00:47:15.040 —> 00:47:16.400
Where’s my OpenAI account?

00:47:16.400 —> 00:47:18.440
How come 1Password’s not finding it?

00:47:18.440 —> 00:47:19.280

00:47:19.280 —> 00:47:21.400

00:47:21.400 —> 00:47:22.480
Oh, I take that back.

00:47:22.480 —> 00:47:24.080
Back in March, I take that back.

00:47:24.080 —> 00:47:29.080
On March 19th, I used one cent of API access.

00:47:29.080 —> 00:47:32.520
A penny.

00:47:32.520 —> 00:47:33.340
That was it.

00:47:33.340 —> 00:47:34.180
That’s quite a lot of money.

00:47:34.180 —> 00:47:35.640
You should really slow down there, bucko.

00:47:35.640 —> 00:47:38.140
Yeah, yeah, I really overdid it that day.

00:47:38.140 —> 00:47:41.460
Okay, so let’s see what I have left, if I can tell.

00:47:41.460 —> 00:47:46.460
Go to platform.openai.com/account/usage.

00:47:46.460 —> 00:47:47.360
There it is.

00:47:47.360 —> 00:47:49.840
Yeah, see, I’ve got, I’ve still got, I don’t,

00:47:49.840 —> 00:47:51.800
Oh, it does expire July 1st.

00:47:51.800 —> 00:47:52.640

00:47:52.640 —> 00:47:53.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:53.480 —> 00:47:55.120
So my credit also expires July 1st.

00:47:55.120 —> 00:47:56.240
So I better get on it.

00:47:56.240 —> 00:47:57.080

00:47:57.080 —> 00:47:58.900
But even so, I’ve used 47 cents.

00:47:58.900 —> 00:48:01.720
Like this is not, this is not a deal breaker.

00:48:01.720 —> 00:48:04.400
Well, this is why I was thinking about canceling

00:48:04.400 —> 00:48:07.440
my GPT+ subscription and writing my own

00:48:07.440 —> 00:48:11.240
or having GPT write me my own little web interface.

00:48:11.240 —> 00:48:12.080

00:48:12.080 —> 00:48:14.320
And I’ll just throw it under one of my AWS instances

00:48:14.320 —> 00:48:16.780
or run it on my MacBook and call it good.

00:48:16.780 —> 00:48:20.940
But GPT-4 costs more, quite a bit more, correct?

00:48:20.940 —> 00:48:23.600
I thought GPT-4 was supposed to be cheaper.

00:48:23.600 —> 00:48:25.240
Oh, I thought it costs more.

00:48:25.240 —> 00:48:27.700
I thought it costs a lot more and it’s also slower.

00:48:27.700 —> 00:48:31.300
It is slower in giving the responses, yes.

00:48:31.300 —> 00:48:33.100
But I thought, hang on, I don’t remember.

00:48:33.100 —> 00:48:34.340
Now we should too.

00:48:34.340 —> 00:48:36.660
See, we are a good podcast.

00:48:36.660 —> 00:48:39.800
We do our research ahead of time, I mean in real time.

00:48:39.800 —> 00:48:42.380
In real time, but I edit it all out.

00:48:42.380 —> 00:48:45.480

00:48:45.480 —> 00:48:49.400
GPT-4 is 3 cents per 1000 tokens,

00:48:49.400 —> 00:48:54.400
3 cents per 1000 tokens or 0.0016 for 1K tokens.

00:48:54.400 —> 00:48:58.200
ADA Babbage, oh, that’s the DaVinci model

00:48:58.200 —> 00:49:03.020
is essentially 3 cents per 1000 tokens.

00:49:03.020 —> 00:49:04.800
That’s GPT-4?

00:49:04.800 —> 00:49:06.760
Wait, no, it says fine tuning models, sorry.

00:49:06.760 —> 00:49:07.580
Scrolling back up.

00:49:07.580 —> 00:49:09.200
Yeah, but again, 8K content,

00:49:09.200 —> 00:49:12.240
3 cents per 1000 tokens of GPT-4.

00:49:12.240 —> 00:49:13.760
What about GPT-3?

00:49:13.760 —> 00:49:18.360
Well, that’s the thing is I don’t see that anywhere here on this page anymore.

00:49:18.360 —> 00:49:25.200
GPT-3 turbo, GPT-3, yeah, okay, so yeah, GPT-3, $0.002.

00:49:25.200 —> 00:49:30.760
So it’s two tenths of a cent per thousand tokens.

00:49:30.760 —> 00:49:32.880
What was GPT-4 again?

00:49:32.880 —> 00:49:34.800
15 times more.

00:49:34.800 —> 00:49:37.720
Three cents versus 0.2 cents.

00:49:37.720 —> 00:49:39.160
Oh, so an order of magnitude.

00:49:39.160 —> 00:49:40.920
Yeah, and a half.

00:49:40.920 —> 00:49:44.760
Right. So here’s the thing about GPT that I think we should talk about.

00:49:44.760 —> 00:49:53.640
We’ve given a lot of shit to the cryptobros for destroying the planet. GPT-4! These GPT,

00:49:53.640 —> 00:50:00.360
these large language models, these things require huge amounts of resources and tons of expense to

00:50:00.360 —> 00:50:08.040
run. These are not cheap in either cost or in terms of resources. Tons of computing goes into these.

00:50:08.760 —> 00:50:10.600
Yep. How is this not a problem?

00:50:10.600 —> 00:50:15.800
I don’t know. And I’m not trying to justify it in any way.

00:50:15.800 —> 00:50:17.240
No, I know you’re not. I know you’re not.

00:50:17.240 —> 00:50:25.480
My hope is that it will yield some actual good to society and the planet.

00:50:25.480 —> 00:50:27.480
I don’t know if it can yield that much good because…

00:50:27.480 —> 00:50:28.600
I don’t know. That’s the thing.

00:50:28.600 —> 00:50:33.400
Even if all the crypto went away right now, which it’s not. There’s still a lot of crypto

00:50:33.400 —> 00:50:37.800
resource being used. But even if all the crypto went away, I don’t think… If this hasn’t already

00:50:37.800 —> 00:50:41.600
offset that I don’t think it would take long yeah I have a feeling you’re right

00:50:41.600 —> 00:50:47.400
and man we just we can’t go solar soon enough oh what do you mean by that get

00:50:47.400 —> 00:50:53.160
off the planet yeah sure we could go go that would be like go Nova or go nuclear

00:50:53.160 —> 00:50:57.360
no just like you know let’s just switch to renewable energy so we don’t have to

00:50:57.360 —> 00:51:04.120
burn up the planet oh you know stuff did you know that California was

00:51:04.120 —> 00:51:08.360
actually net neutral because of solar. They actually crossed a line.

00:51:08.360 —> 00:51:11.480
I did not know that. In terms of electrical use, yeah.

00:51:11.480 —> 00:51:14.440
That’s pretty cool. That’s pretty cool. That is pretty cool. Now of course

00:51:14.440 —> 00:51:17.160
California has an advantage. They get a lot of sunshine.

00:51:17.160 —> 00:51:20.680
We got a lot of sun. Even though they’ve got a lot of urban area, they also have a

00:51:20.680 —> 00:51:23.320
lot of areas where they can just lay out solar

00:51:23.320 —> 00:51:27.320
arrays too. Yeah, space is a big thing. I have two

00:51:27.320 —> 00:51:30.280
little solar panels on my house. I have one in front and one

00:51:30.280 —> 00:51:35.560
in the back and they are powering my little eufy 2c security cameras

00:51:35.560 —> 00:51:45.240
those are the world’s tiniest solar panels they’re adorable they’re the size of an ipad mini oh

00:51:45.240 —> 00:51:50.200
they’re so they are they’re they are cute even my girlfriend said like those are cute i was like

00:51:50.200 —> 00:51:56.200
wow for her to think like a technology thing is cute that’s that’s saying something yeah anyway

00:51:56.200 —> 00:51:59.960
we should get close to wrapping this up because we’ve been going to close to an hour but before

00:51:59.960 —> 00:52:10.120
we go, I’m going to give you a sample audio file and you can, it’s something that I made from 11Labs.

00:52:10.120 —> 00:52:16.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it’s pretty interesting. So I had heard about 11Labs first because of the

00:52:16.760 —> 00:52:24.520
cybersecurity implementations, implications. 11Labs is a voice, it’s a voice lab kind of

00:52:24.520 —> 00:52:30.880
thing. And again, they claim they’re using AI. But what you can do is with a very, very

00:52:30.880 —> 00:52:33.160
small audio sample,

00:52:33.160 —> 00:52:38.800
Much smaller than say, years worth of podcasting on the part of two particular people.

00:52:38.800 —> 00:52:46.680
Bingo. Well, with a sample of like a minute or so of my own voice, I have this thing sounding,

00:52:46.680 —> 00:52:52.480
you know, that sounds kind of like you. And then after five minutes, your take on it was,

00:52:52.480 —> 00:52:58.280
I can tell it’s not you, most people couldn’t. Well now, I have approximately one hour of

00:52:58.280 —> 00:53:04.160
a recording of this podcast that I’m going to feed to it. And I’ll bet you it’s, you

00:53:04.160 —> 00:53:07.680
know, like, it’s going to be hard for anyone. Because listening to it, I could hear like

00:53:07.680 —> 00:53:14.200
the way it was pronouncing like a short a sound was a little off from the way I normally

00:53:14.200 —> 00:53:19.960
do it. But I just read some texts out of the Dungeons and Dragons Player’s Handbook, and

00:53:19.960 —> 00:53:22.960
just fed that into it. And it sounds pretty convincing.

00:53:22.960 —> 00:53:26.720
See, now here’s the thing. I threatened to like I said that

00:53:26.720 —> 00:53:28.800
anytime you weren’t available for the podcast, I was just

00:53:28.800 —> 00:53:33.080
gonna use this thing to generate your site. Right. But here’s the

00:53:33.080 —> 00:53:35.680
thing is like, it can’t do what you’re doing right now. Like

00:53:35.680 —> 00:53:40.120
inflection, like, how would you get it to? Like, it could sound

00:53:40.120 —> 00:53:42.960
like you, but you’re not a monotone person, Peter.

00:53:42.960 —> 00:53:46.520
It’s not gonna have emotions and stuff into it. I understand

00:53:46.520 —> 00:53:51.940
But I’m thinking though like I could have GPT come up with a script

00:53:51.940 —> 00:53:58.720
Feed that over to 11 labs and there’s the audio and then I saw this guy on YouTube who was going like the these are

00:53:58.720 —> 00:54:05.080
The top six coolest AI things. There’s another one where he does AI image generation

00:54:05.080 —> 00:54:09.760
So he gives it a sample of himself. So now he has his own avatar

00:54:09.760 —> 00:54:15.240
So you could basically make fake news newscaster reading a fake newscast made by GPT

00:54:16.240 —> 00:54:22.920
So anyway, I was like the last the next time like I I want to like I write an angry angry script

00:54:22.920 —> 00:54:26.520
And I don’t want to say it. I’ll just be in a make a phone call and hit play

00:54:26.520 —> 00:54:31.560
So yeah, send me that audio. I will play some of it in this podcast

00:54:31.560 —> 00:54:38.000
Well, what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna first before I upload you my side of the recording for this episode

00:54:38.000 —> 00:54:42.440
I’m gonna upload it to 11 labs and complete the cloning of myself the process, you know

00:54:42.440 —> 00:54:45.200
Oh, you know what’s going to happen now? The internet’s going to be full of Peter

00:54:45.200 —> 00:54:49.160
Nikolaidis saying things he never said like, “Hey, look at this rash. Does this look normal

00:54:49.160 —> 00:54:51.940
to you?” Yeah. America, Vote Republican, and all kinds

00:54:51.940 —> 00:54:55.300
of other things, right? I would never go that low, dear. I might do

00:54:55.300 —> 00:54:58.400
the rash prank, but I’m not calling you a Republican.

00:54:58.400 —> 00:55:03.020
Well, on that note, I think we should wrap it up. If people want to find us, they can

00:55:03.020 —> 00:55:12.420
find us at friendswithbrews.com. That’s B-R-E-W-S. You can find me, Peter Nikolaidis, at Nikolaidis.com.

00:55:12.420 —> 00:55:15.420
The shortcut is pn72.com.

00:55:15.420 —> 00:55:18.340
Apparently you can also find him at 11labs.io.

00:55:18.340 —> 00:55:19.340
You can find me there.

00:55:19.340 —> 00:55:21.860
You can find me on chat.openai.com.

00:55:21.860 —> 00:55:23.100
You can find me on Mastodon

00:55:23.100 —> 00:55:26.460
at infosec.exchange/@nikolaidis.

00:55:26.460 —> 00:55:28.740
And where can they find you, Scott?

00:55:28.740 —> 00:55:29.980
Let’s see.

00:55:29.980 —> 00:55:32.700
This is where I wish I did have an AI to say this for me.

00:55:32.700 —> 00:55:37.700
I am at appdot.net/@scottaw.

00:55:37.700 —> 00:55:39.440
Do me a favor.

00:55:39.440 —> 00:55:41.780
Send me your side of this recording

00:55:41.780 —> 00:55:45.100
and I will make you a Scott Willsey generated voice.

00:55:45.100 —> 00:55:46.380
A Scott Willsey bot, okay.

00:55:46.380 —> 00:55:47.220
Sounds good.

00:55:47.220 —> 00:55:49.860
On that note, I think we should hit the big red button.

00:55:49.860 —> 00:55:54.860
Five, four, three, two, one, two.

00:55:54.860 —> 00:55:59.000
Sure thing, Scott.

00:55:59.000 —> 00:56:03.900
Brothers Reserve is a 7.5% ABV Belgian style double,

00:56:03.900 —> 00:56:07.380
brewed with a blend of rich malts and Belgian candy sugar.

00:56:07.380 —> 00:56:09.260
It’s got a deep amber color,

00:56:09.260 —> 00:56:11.620
and the aroma is filled with notes of caramel,

00:56:11.620 —> 00:56:16.180
toffee and dark fruits. I’ve been looking forward to trying this one so let’s dive in.