Episode 35 – Good Enough for My Wife to Steal
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Okay, I’m testing. Blah blah, it looks normal. Okay, I guess it’s normal.
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Whoa, it’s like we practiced for this or something.
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Mm, we did. 4,000 times since 2005.
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I was gonna say, how many hundreds or thousands of episodes did it take for us to get it right on the first time?
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Peter of Nikolaids, I have something that you’ll be very excited by.
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Scott of We’ll See, I have something that you would probably only drink if you were desperate.
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Oh, this is a non-alcoholic beer.
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Oh, not even that.
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Oh, it’s Kool-Aid. Grape Kool-Aid.
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Oh, I wish it had that much flavor.
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Oh, wait, hold on.
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Okay, I’m waiting.
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Friends with brews.
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Oh, there we go.
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Yeah, and this.
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Hi, Peter.
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No, I’m kidding. I won’t do that again.
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[laughs]
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Okay, great. Well, great to be here.
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You are Peter, I am Scott. That is the intro.
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That much we know. And yeah, what are you drinking tonight, Scott?
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Okay, I am having a Monkless Belgian Ales.
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That is the brewery, Monkless Belgian Ales.
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And right on the top, it says Belgian tradition minus the monks.
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But this is a, you pronounce this for me, Shepplekofeggan.
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Huh?
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Shepplekofeggan.
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Shepplekofeggan.
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Anyway, this is a Belgian, a Belgian, I sound like I’m from Kentucky.
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It’s a Belgian styled wheat beer brewed with spices.
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That sounds delicious.
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It is good.
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And my wife even liked this.
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So my wife doesn’t like a lot of the beers that I get, but she does prefer the wheats and lighter beers.
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And so this one is quite good.
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She stole one of mine.
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She told me she was going to and I gave her permission.
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So it wasn’t really stealing, but it was good enough for your wife to steal.
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OK, that’s my record.
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Oh, I should put that on the Web page.
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You should. Good enough for my wife to steal.
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Good enough for your wife to steal.
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OK, so that’s me.
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So what about you?
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What is your disgusting, not even if I was desperate?
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Hop Wtr.
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Oh.
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Hop-wtr.
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H-O-P-W-T-R.
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It is a sparkling Hop Wtr crafted with adaptogens and nootropics.
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Okay, you’ve mentioned this before. You’ve talked about this.
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You said it was a thing.
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It’s a thing?
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So it opens like a beer, but it pours kind of like a soda?
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and I don’t know what this is supposed to be. I’m gonna I’m gonna take a… it’s like a… it’s
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like a club soda with some kind of flavor that is not beer.
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Okay, so it’s not disgusting. It doesn’t taste like a bad, weak IPA with too much hops, then.
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No, it tastes like a club soda with something else with with adaptogens and nootropics.
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Listen, that’s actually better than I thought it was gonna be. Okay.
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Yes.
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All right. Mmm. Oh, this is good stuff. You can definitely taste the spices. I wonder
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what the spices are. Let me see here if I can. I’m in the dark again. Hey.
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Coriander, cinnamon.
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It just says packed full of spices. Our refreshing wheat beer is brewed with fresh orange zest and coriander.
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I said coriander, didn’t I?
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Yeah, citrus flavor and balanced spice.
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Okay.
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It says it is proof that not all Belgian style beers have to be big in alcohol, only in flavor.
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And that’s true. Like, I think Stella Artois is probably the…or is it Artois? I don’t know. If it’s French, it would be Artois.
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Artortoise.
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Artoise, yes.
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That’s not super high alcohol.
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That’s like 5% or something.
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Yeah, this is 5.4.
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So yeah.
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I wouldn’t call it extremely low.
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But the Belgians I generally, yeah, the Belgians I have are usually like 8 to 9 or so.
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But yeah, compared to zero.
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This is high compared to your Costa Rica friends.
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Or my 0% hopter.
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That’s okay.
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But this tastes really good today because it’s been quite warm here, I must say.
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Well, the reason I am having this and not a beer is because I just had a beer with dinner
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about an hour ago. I didn’t get any invite tonight and I was like, I almost messaged
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Scott and said, Hey, are we not recording tonight? Because Scott’s been pretty adamant
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about like wanting to get on a regular schedule and I’ve been pretty like, look, I’ll do it
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when I can. And then I was like, maybe did he, did he get up? Did you just quit on me?
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He’s like, F it. That’s it. We’re done. Or, and then I looked at my phone and sure enough, there were messages from you reciting this non-existing in non-existent invite.
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So I just want you to know my suicide note’s going to say, I’m just tired of getting people to podcast with me.
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Clink clink. Yeah. But here we are. Yes. So there you go to Bruce.
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And I must say, I appreciate the fact that even though you didn’t get an invite, once I did send you something that you saw, and once you caught up with your messages, you responded immediately. And I appreciate that. I really do.
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I was like, 30 minutes, let’s do it. 30 minutes or less. Take that, dominoes.
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I would have been totally cool with you saying, dude, I can’t because I started to realize I don’t think Peter got that invitation, even though I sent it the same way I’ve always sent it. I guess it didn’t go. So yeah, anyway.
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But here you are. I made some predictions. I made some promises last week and I am I didn’t really make promises last week
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I threw stuff out there. No, you did I threw out some hints. Uh-huh Peter
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I didn’t promise we were gonna do it this week. I said in a future episode Peter you made binding vows. I solemnly swore
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Oh here we go
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That’s gonna need some bottles no, but you
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Said something about looking at auto gpt versus agent gpt or vice versa
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Correct. And you said something looking at Evernote versus Notion or vice versa.
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Correct. You’re not ready to give us your conclusions and tell us what your system is
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going to become, but I thought what we could do is try to find out from you what is your intended
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purpose for each of these, why have you picked the ones to look at that you are going to look at,
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and maybe give a little bit of history on the Evernote thing too, because you and I
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I’ve talked about Evernote forever, but chances are a lot of our listeners haven’t been through each of our painful
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Podcasts that we’ve had throughout the centuries
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We’ve talked about it for Evernote. Yes for Evernote. So why don’t we start there?
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So yeah, we’ve used Evernote. I’ve been an Evernote user since I believe
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2008
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If not sooner I can find that out. Oh, I was gonna say since
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1969 but that was a Eagle song no no no
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but I can find out by going into my notes in Evernote and just going all the way to the bottom sorting by date created and
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Going all the way down to my first
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Note, how come you can’t ask elephant GPT what your first note was which is funny because it’s funny
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You mentioned that because I have notes that were created in 1969
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Obviously
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The dates are screwed up on that. Did you write the lyrics for the Eagles?
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No, but that is hilarious because I have a note that claims it was created on December 27th
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1969 which it obviously was not no so something happened there
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But what I do have my welcome to Evernote note
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So when you first sign in to Evernote, they would I don’t know what they do it anymore
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But they would create you know a welcome note right and it has a date on it of June 11th
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2008 did you get the stuffed elephant? I did not get a stuffed elephant, but I’ve been an Evernote user since yeah for holy cow
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That’s 15 years isn’t it? It’s a long friggin time. Yeah, you know what I will be honest right now
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The fact that it’s been around that long is actually pretty impressive given the last few years that elephants been limping along mm-hmm
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Exactly. But every now and then, like it seems like every year,
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sometimes more often than, than, you know, than that,
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sometimes it was seemed like every week we would be passing, you know,
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a tweet or a web article back and forth about how, Oh, this is it forever.
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Oh, geez. What are we going to do? Oh my God.
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And we have both gone through you more than me friends,
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recommending alternative to Evernote.
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And generally it’s because people just don’t get it.
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They don’t get our use cases for, you know, or at least my use case for Evernote.
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So for me, Evernote has been this gigantic file repository.
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I have had all kinds of integrations.
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This thing has been archiving my tweets for more than a decade.
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I’ve had like any appointment, anytime an appointment starts in my calendar,
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it would create an Evernote entry.
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You know, I use it as a file storage because we compared this back to like Dropbox years ago.
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one thing that’s different is Evernote limits you by how much you can ingest every month,
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but there’s no cap on how much you can store. By ingest, Peter means upload. Upload. Upload. Injest.
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Injest into the system. Injest. Yes, you can just tell it jokes on the way in. You could put the
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sum total of human knowledge in there if you live long enough based on how much you can upload per
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month. And of course, you can upload more per month if you’re paying, and now all their paid
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plans are different than they used to be, et cetera.
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Exactly. Exactly. So, you know, I have all kinds of things. Like I have interview questions
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that I had from this guy that I interviewed back in time. I have recipes for all kinds
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of things. I have calls for interviewing a new accountant, how to enable PHP on Mac OS
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X Leopard.
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Oh my God.
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I had all kinds of stuff, right? So just, you know, backup procedures. How do you back
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up this machine? You know, all kinds of things. How do you back up a Tesla? And again, and
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those are all from the first years that I had this in there. So, you know, there’s a
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lot of memories. There are a lot of, a lot of stuff. I have a bunch of integrations and
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a lot of things in there. Now the encryption on Evernote was something that we lamented
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for the longest time. It was really weak.
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It was weak at best,
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and it couldn’t be used in multiple circumstances.
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Right. And I don’t, honestly,
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I don’t even know if that ever changed, right?
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I’ve been pleading the probably not great card of,
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well, I don’t put anything sensitive in there,
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but let’s be honest, there’s enough data in there that,
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you know, if you aggregate everything that’s in there,
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you’ve got a mountain of stuff, right?
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There’s just, there’s tons and tons of data
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that you could do with, on me, on there, right?
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Sure, because you and I tended to put all kinds
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of documents, reference material in there,
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including things like receipts,
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including things like manuals,
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including things like probably some
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non-sensitive work-related stuff, things like that, so.
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Right, lots of stuff is in there.
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And in given enough time, that’s enough data
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that could be useful, let’s just put it that way.
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So we have looked at other stuff,
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And again, it’s not just a note-taking app.
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It hasn’t been for me for a long time.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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In fact, I will say that actual note-taking
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was the least of how I used Evernote.
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I mean, there would be a lot of things
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that looked like tech notes,
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but they were like web articles.
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They were pieces of information
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for things that had to be done,
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reference material, that kind of stuff.
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So yeah, there were some notes,
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but a lot of it really wasn’t just me writing down notes,
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talking about how I felt that day.
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Honestly, what Evernote is for me
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is it’s my own personal search engine.
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Yes.
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It’s my personal database of whatever.
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The filing cabinet metaphor is a good one.
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And in fact, I still use that to this date
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because I use a combination of Apple Notes and Obsidian.
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And even in, actually I’m moving my filing cabinet
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to Obsidian, but I actually have a folder
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called filing cabinet where I just dump all kinds of random
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web web articles and stuff like that. And that fulfills that
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need now. And I still call it filing cabinet because that’s
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what it is. It’s just a random filing cabinet. Yep. And then I
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have other more hierarchical, carefully ordered stuff that’s
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reference material for technical things and that kind of stuff.
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Right. And over the years, I’ve tried various ways to get data
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into Evernote, I had a, I don’t remember what it was called. I
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had an electronic notepad. It was a Newton. No, you had paper. So you put an eight by
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10, you know, a piece of paper, right. And it had a special pen and a special backdrop.
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So like it knew where you were, you know, like it would basically do new OCR, but it
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would trace what you were doing and anything you would draw on paper or write on paper
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would then show up as a note. I think we call those iPads now, Peter, the iPad can do a
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lot more. I had this, the RocketNote, I had the RocketNote notebook. This is a first one,
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I have another one downstairs, which I haven’t used in months or maybe a year. But you could
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write these notes and then scan a QR code. And it would take that and import it into
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your app of choice. Mine was Evernote. Oddly enough, I picked this one up. This was the
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beta. This was not erasable like the other ones were, right? But if I look at where the
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destinations were that I could send from my Rocketbook. The first three were all Evernote
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Notes, notebooks, Dropbox, and email, and OneNote. Those were where I had this configured.
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And I look at the last note that I had in this Rocketbook notebook. It says something
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about ban Equifax, roommate, not speeding in reverse, Amazon, Canada, client doing it
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wrong. But not as old as speeding in reverse. A client is always doing it wrong, Peter. You
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fired all your clients, don’t forget. So I don’t know what the hell I was thinking about when I
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was taking those notes, but anyway, this is an ancient notebook that I have that that once fed
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into Evernote. Oh, speaking of that, not knowing what you were thinking about when you wrote those
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notes, that reminds me of some fascinating subject of some hallucinogens that I want to talk about at
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some point in time. But anyway, put it on the backlog. But then, you know, with Apple Notes,
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I understand they’ve started catching up and I use Apple Notes for when I want to genuinely take notes
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like when I’m writing on something or
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frankly
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I just use an old-school piece of paper notebook and a pen and I go back to the old scan and snap it and
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That’s one thing where Evernote scanner application has been quite good
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Yes, so I still use that now that said Evernote has been it’s it’s kind of long in the tooth, right?
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It hasn’t really changed significantly in a long time.
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It feels like the only thing they ever do to change it is they change the user interface
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around every now and then.
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So I’ve got to figure out where things moved to and that’s it, right?
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And they change their pricing structure.
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They do that every now and then.
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Peter, it’s kind of rude to look at an elephant and say, “Why the long tooth?“
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You know those are tusks, right?
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Right.
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I didn’t say, “Why the long tusk?“
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So I’ve been looking at something else.
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For instance, a few years ago, you know, the hospital and when I was at Mimecast,
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they both used, you know, OneNote as their standard. I was like, well,
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yes, I should probably learn this. Right. And I tried to. And oh, dear God, that was horrible.
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We use OneNote at work and it does have some benefits. There are some things that I like
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about it. And in fact, I also for work use Obsidian. I don’t use the same notebook as I
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use for my personal one, but I have an Obsidian notebook and I started migrating a lot of the
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stuff that I used to keep in OneNote into Obsidian, work-related stuff. But OneNote
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has some really good advantages. Like, when you’re all set up in the Microsoft world,
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and you’ve got OneDrive and all this, you can easily share your notebooks. You can work
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on things together with collaboration. They’re great for that. What I hate about OneNote
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is when you start to put your cursor somewhere and it just creates a random box and it’s
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all over the place. Like, it’s a freaking mess. I don’t know what they’re doing.
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You use Microsoft 365 at Monolith 3000, don’t you?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, try using OneNote when it has to live
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on a file share on a Windows server.
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Yeah, no.
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Oh, it’s horrible.
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It’s a horrible, horrible experience.
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Anyway, sorry for the digression, but.
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So I started looking into other options
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and the ones that came up were Obsidian and Notion.
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Those are the two that came down to my leads.
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Those are the two that everybody’s talking about, so there’s no surprise that those are the two you heard about.
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Exactly, and you’re wondering like, why are those two, Peter? Why? Because that’s what the two that everyone’s talking about.
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So I was like looking at, okay, why is everybody talking about these?
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Right.
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And I was still in that phase. Now, I did set up a Notion account, and I did check out like, what is it going to take to migrate from Evernote to Notion?
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Mm-hmm.
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And not much. The answer is not much. Now my concerns, I have two current concerns with Notion.
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Let’s see, three current concerns. I need to double check their security and see what they
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offer for security. How are the notes encrypted? Are they end-to-end encrypted? Can say Obsidian
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staff or then a hacker decrypt my notes and access them? That kind of question. That’s one question
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I have to ask. Number two, what’s it going to take to migrate from Evernote to move all my stuff over
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that much? I know already that, that was answered easily because you open up notion. You can just
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say import, you choose Evernote, you’ll link your never note account. It sucks it all over.
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And what I really like about this is it’s not going through my computer to do this. So my PC,
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my laptop, my ISP, whatever is not the bottleneck. So I can just say, do it. And it does a cloud
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sync by API. Brilliant. Love it.
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Basically some dude at Notion gets hired to hack up Evernote and get your stuff.
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Some guy has to manually copy everything one note at a time. And then the final bit though
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is, and this is only a feature that I just realized that I used pretty much by accident.
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Evernote does OCR on attachments and it will scan inside attachments if you have the paid
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version. There have been numerous times I’ve been searching for something and gotten the result in
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a PDF that I just threw in there, because again, this is like my bookshelf, it’s my file, it’s a
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bucket, it’s a cluster. And I found books that I was looking, I was like, “Oh, I didn’t even
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realize that one day, like six years ago, packed.com was having a sale or they were giving
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away books, you know, for like, here’s our free book today on SQL Server.” And it just happens to
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to be what I was looking for. And boom, there it is in my Evernote. That’s great.
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Do you know how many times I’ve done a search for a book and then found out I’ve already
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purchased it? Yes.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You purchased this seven years ago. Oh, great. Thanks. So that’s a
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thing that I actually turns out. Okay. I use this. And then the fourth thing. So out of
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out of those two features, number four would be easily moving Apple Notes into it, right?
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Essentially what I want is I want to be able to use Apple Notes as my interface, my user
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interface.
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I want to be able to take Apple Notes, jot it down and have it stored somewhere else.
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And why do I want it stored somewhere else?
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For the simple fact that I don’t want to be tied to the Apple ecosystem.
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If I find myself contracting somewhere or on a Windows box somewhere or at my dad’s
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place on his Linux box, I want to be able to get access to my notes in a pinch. Now,
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I suppose I could do that. Can I do that in iCloud? I don’t even remember. Is Notes available
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in iCloud? Maybe it is, like a stripped down version. I don’t even know right now. But
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I want to be able to run an app like wherever I am just to have that integration when I
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want it. I also want something that’s going to integrate with services like IFTTT or Zapier
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or other automations that I can run on it. So that’s what I’m looking at. And so, so
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far, again, I haven’t dug into the Notion security question. I saw some stuff that seemed
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a little like, oh, you know, we’ll somewhere, someone it might have been even just like
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a Reddit post. I don’t remember where I read it, but it was like, we won’t access your
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stuff without your permission or something. And I was like, that sounds like you could
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access my stuff anytime you wanted to. And that’s a little concerning, right? And then
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I have seen people have written, like there are open source projects on GitHub where people
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have written Python scripts to migrate your notes to Notion.
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Okay, so that’s possible, but I have to play with it to see what it’s going to look like.
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And I saw someone wrote a Notion add-on which lets you add a tag at the bottom of a note
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and that enables OCR.
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Oh.
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Well, here’s the problem.
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I have 15 years of back notes.
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I don’t want to have to go back through and edit every single one of them to add a tag
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to enable OCR scanning.
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Does Notion have the idea of markdown files the same way that Obsidian does?
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I believe it does.
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I believe it supports markdown.
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Obsidian is just markdown files in a file system, somewhere in a file system.
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Where in the file system you decide if you want to sync it between computers, you can
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stick it in your iCloud account if you want to or whatever.
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So if that’s the case, you could probably whip together some kind of script that goes
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through and dumps it in. The problem for you probably is which ones is it going to OCR?
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Yes. So yeah, moving forward, I can enable OCR. That’s great. But moving backwards,
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I only could OCR stuff that’s in Evernote or that I know to find in Notion. Here’s the thing,
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I don’t want to pay for Evernote and Notion. So as soon as I stop paying for Evernote, I lose OCR.
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So I have to find some way to do that if I really want to preserve that function.
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The other concern that I have is duplicates. Notion doesn’t seem to have a way to handle
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duplicate notes or duplicate pages as they call it. That means I need to, you know,
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I can play with Notion for a while, get the hang of it, and then I have to one day I have to make
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the chord, you know, a D mark. I have to cut from Evernote and stop using it because I can’t do a
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little bit here and a little bit there. If I take some notes in Notion now, and then I go back to
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adding stuff in Evernote, if I reimport, I get a whole new page duplicating everything that’s
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happened in Evernote. Well, the problem with that is not so much the fact of duplicates itself. It’s
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that Evernote and Notion are probably, even if everything inside that note was seemingly identical,
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they’re still going to be different probably. And so you…
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But that’s fine.
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You can’t… What I’m saying is you can’t write a document comparison
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script because they’re going to be different as far as the script is concerned.
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Right. But I see the problem is that Notion doesn’t have a way to deal with duplicates.
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Right. But what I’m saying is it would be difficult to dedupe something that wasn’t
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originally imported from Evernote because when you import it from Evernote to make the comparison
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they’re not going to be identical even if they look identical to you. Some format thing, something is
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going to be different in there, there’s going to be an extra line, there’s going to be some difference
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to where it just can’t dedupe it. It’ll look very similar but it’s going to be different as far as
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most deduping algorithms are going to go. Let me explain my use case. So I have a notebook in
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Evernote with a note in it and that note just says “Hello World”, right? I import that in.
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Now I start working in Notion. I don’t touch that note again. I don’t touch that note. So it remains
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unchanged. If you take a hash of that note now and a hash of it after I import it again, it’s the same.
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I haven’t touched that note, but I made a bunch of other notes in that notebook or that page as
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Notion refers to it. Now I decide, you know what? I like this work I’ve done in Notion.
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I don’t want to lose it.
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But I also made changes back in Evernote because I was doing a little bit in here and a little
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bit in there.
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Now I want to reimport it.
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I do that.
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I now have two copies of that same note.
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Are you talking about a merge or a…?
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No, I’m talking about I run import again.
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It does not merge.
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That’s the thing.
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That’s the point.
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That’s what I’m saying.
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It doesn’t do a merge.
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Right.
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That’s what I’m saying.
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You actually need a merge more than a dedupe, sounds like.
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Whatever.
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Call it what you want.
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A merge is going to do the same thing.
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end result is you get one copy of duplicated you know, if you have multiple copies of the
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same note, you end up with one. And Notion doesn’t seem to have a concept of that.
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So that’s a problem. So that means I have to be very selective. I have to either do all my work
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in a new Notion page, and then once I decide, “Okay, that’s enough,” I’ll import it all over.
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Which I guess is probably the way to do it. So I have a Paradigm page, I’ll just make a
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Paradigm Notion page or something and do all the work there, and then once I’m done,
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I can reimport from Evernote and then merge all the stuff over myself. That’s one way to do it.
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To be honest, I think it’s fair enough that Notion punted on that one because that’s a
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hard problem to solve. Because finding…
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Duplicates?
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Yeah. In that case, for importing stuff and then it’s… Because the way you described it is,
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you’re taking something and then you’re actually writing in the same note other stuff.
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No, that’s not what I’m describing. No, that’s not what I’m describing.
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You said a sheet as Notion describes it. A sheet or a note.
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Notion describes a sheet as Evernote. Notion calls a page what Evernote calls a notebook.
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Okay.
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Let’s just use the Evernote terminology. I have a notebook. I have multiple notes in it,
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and I have duplicates of them. I just want to be able to remove duplicates, that’s all.
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Who cares how they got there?
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Let me ask you this. In the Notion world, when you look at those individual
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notes in the individual notebook, which is what they call a page,
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Do they all appear at the same time in different sections on that page or do you look at one individually of the others?
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I
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Well, if I do an import what happens is it makes a new if you make something in notion
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If I make something in notion, okay, let’s just do this. I’m going to go to my personal home and i’m going to make something new
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Okay, so i’m making a new page it’s called test. All right. What do you want me to do with it now?
00:27:15.140 —> 00:27:19.860
Well, the page is the equivalent of folders. So now make some equivalent of notes
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Okay, I’m doing that.
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And are they all visible on the same page when you go to look at that page, or do you
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look at them individually the way you would look at notes in a folder in Evernote individually?
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Do you see what I’m saying?
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No, I don’t see what you’re saying.
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I’m not following.
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Okay, when you say the word “page,” I think of something that has different sections that
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you scroll through, and they’re all there visible in that page.
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When you open that page, you see everything that’s in that page.
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Okay.
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Is that how it is in Notion?
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When you look at documents that are in a page, quote, do you see all of them at the same
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time and you just keep scrolling until you’ve read them all?
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You can expand, like you can have a list view where you see all of the different sub pages
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in a page.
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Including their content?
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You can enable gallery view where you see them all, but they show up as distinct things.
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Just like when you look at a page or whatever the hell they call it in, when you see lots
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of pages, it’s like you see lots of notes in Evernote. It’s the same thing. It’s the
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same thing. So they are distinct entities. They’re distinct entities. Yes. And again,
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if I have two of them, if I have two of them and they’re identical, I think it should be
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trivial for this thing to just say, delete these things. It should be, yeah. Yeah. So,
00:28:34.460 —> 00:28:39.320
yeah. If you had one that you imported from Evernote, never, never touched, and then you
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import everything from Evernote again, including that note, it should be able to look at those
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to and say these are identical because it should import it the same way it imported last time
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everything should be identical it should be able to yeah i agree with you on that and again even
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if you take evernote out of the picture if i just have two notes and they’re identical
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compare them delete them finding duplicates not that’s a solved problem right but the way you
00:29:02.900 —> 00:29:06.500
were describing it what i thought you were doing was importing something from evernote
00:29:06.500 —> 00:29:13.540
adding stuff to it changing it right right so what i was importing from evernote i was adding
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stuff to the notebook. I was adding notes to the notebook, so I still have the original
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notes and then when I go to reimport those original notes, I now have duplicates of those
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original notes.
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Yeah, there should be, there could be a way to de-duplicate, but to be honest, I don’t
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think, I don’t think any of the other note/e-brain systems that I’ve used addresses duplicates
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that I’m aware of. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. So I guess what I’m saying
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is it’s not great, but it’s also not a huge knock against Notion because nobody else is
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doing that either.
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Right. I find that hard to believe that no one has come across that, and it really shouldn’t
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be that big a deal, you know? But anyway, hey, there you go. So yeah, that’s where I’m
00:29:57.880 —> 00:30:02.400
at right now. And again, just talking through it, I think I can probably solve this by just
00:30:02.400 —> 00:30:07.820
doing my work in, you know, like I’ll have a paradigm imported folder and a new paradigm
00:30:07.820 —> 00:30:11.340
folder and I’ll work on that and then when I’m ready I just, you know, cut the cord.
00:30:11.340 —> 00:30:16.860
But yeah, so you know I’ve poked around with Notion a little bit. It seems pretty powerful,
00:30:16.860 —> 00:30:22.380
you know, the ability to like start incorporating Rhett and Markdown. For an additional, I think,
00:30:22.380 —> 00:30:28.220
additional eight bucks a month they give you Notion AI and it can write for you. It’s basically
00:30:28.220 —> 00:30:33.900
integrating GPT right into the app. I don’t know if I would use that. I certainly would not pay for
00:30:33.900 —> 00:30:36.180
for that while I’m still paying for ChatGPT.
00:30:36.180 —> 00:30:37.700
Let me put it that way.
00:30:37.700 —> 00:30:41.140
Anyway, so that’s my take on Notion so far.
00:30:41.140 —> 00:30:45.340
Again, I haven’t gotten very far, but at least you see a little bit of my thought process.
00:30:45.340 —> 00:30:46.340
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:46.340 —> 00:30:47.440
No, that’s interesting.
00:30:47.440 —> 00:30:52.140
That’s interesting to me because I zoomed right past Notion and went straight to Obsidian.
00:30:52.140 —> 00:30:53.380
Yeah, I don’t know.
00:30:53.380 —> 00:30:57.940
I don’t know what the main differences are, but the one thing I know about Obsidian is
00:30:57.940 —> 00:31:00.960
there is a huge world of plugins available for it.
00:31:00.960 —> 00:31:02.860
There seems to be that for Notion as well.
00:31:02.860 —> 00:31:03.860
Yeah, right.
00:31:03.860 —> 00:31:07.980
I don’t know. And you know, GitHub stuff, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:07.980 —> 00:31:10.180
And just curious, what is Obsidian’s pricing?
00:31:10.180 —> 00:31:19.100
I’m not paying anything for free $25 to buy it and $50 for commercial.
00:31:19.100 —> 00:31:21.820
So there’s a $25 catalyst,
00:31:21.820 —> 00:31:27.020
one-time payment where you can just buy it and you get some extra stuff.
00:31:27.020 —> 00:31:30.260
And then, oh, to get sync, that’s $8 a month. Yeah.
00:31:30.260 —> 00:31:32.380
I don’t do the sync because I don’t need it.
00:31:32.380 —> 00:31:37.580
So basically, to me, their iOS clients are kind of useless, I guess.
00:31:37.580 —> 00:31:39.680
I haven’t really used them in a while, though they might be better now.
00:31:39.680 —> 00:31:41.280
I only use it on my Mac.
00:31:41.280 —> 00:31:45.240
And then the version that I use on Windows, that’s for my work related stuff.
00:31:45.240 —> 00:31:47.120
And I don’t need those notebooks to be the same.
00:31:47.120 —> 00:31:48.280
I don’t need any overlap.
00:31:48.280 —> 00:31:49.540
Got it. Got it.
00:31:49.540 —> 00:31:51.480
So for me, that doesn’t matter.
00:31:51.480 —> 00:31:55.580
You have a very clear separation between work and personal stuff.
00:31:55.580 —> 00:31:58.420
Yes. For me, that blends a lot.
00:31:58.420 —> 00:31:59.740
So, yeah, exactly.
00:31:59.740 —> 00:32:01.520
So you would probably want sync.
00:32:01.520 —> 00:32:03.380
Yeah. All right. Cool.
00:32:03.380 —> 00:32:06.920
Again, there are ways to do that by sticking it in a shared,
00:32:06.920 —> 00:32:10.280
you know, synced thing like for you to go across windows.
00:32:10.280 —> 00:32:11.020
It could be Dropbox.
00:32:11.020 —> 00:32:14.520
So I guess there’s iCloud on Windows now. For me, I have it in iCloud.
00:32:14.520 —> 00:32:17.960
So theoretically, I can look at it on other devices.
00:32:17.960 —> 00:32:21.080
Yep. Theoretically. So.
00:32:21.080 —> 00:32:28.520
So, yeah. So that’s that’s my rant on my complete lack of progress on notion.
00:32:28.520 —> 00:32:29.420
No, that’s fine.
00:32:29.420 —> 00:32:36.060
And then very briefly, just tell me very briefly, what is it that you’re trying to automate with
00:32:36.060 —> 00:32:40.700
AutoGPT and AgentGPT? What kind of tasks do you have? Just some examples of some things.
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I don’t know yet. That’s the thing. I’m just trying to find a better GPT than GPT,
00:32:46.140 —> 00:32:53.260
right? Show me what can this thing do? So instead of me asking, you know, question after question
00:32:53.260 —> 00:32:58.860
after question, let me just give it a prop. Like, dude, this is what I want to do. Now go do it.
00:32:58.860 —> 00:33:05.860
it. And you may recall, I did play around with auto GPT about, uh, what a few, three,
00:33:05.860 —> 00:33:11.800
four, five weeks ago or so. And all I managed to do was rack up like $8 of charges. Whereas
00:33:11.800 —> 00:33:17.000
previously I’d spent like less than $3 in the whole previous month. Sure. So I had,
00:33:17.000 —> 00:33:20.940
it was funny cause I was looking at it and it’s like, it’s in a circle. It’s asking itself
00:33:20.940 —> 00:33:26.420
the same question. You know, I asked auto GPT pretty much the same stuff that I had
00:33:26.420 —> 00:33:35.380
been asking ChatGPT to help me write some Python code to download a webpage and parse
00:33:35.380 —> 00:33:42.340
the contents, give a summary, and then give an audio output of it, for instance. And AutoGPT
00:33:42.340 —> 00:33:49.320
was just like a brand new and excited intern. It’s like, “Well, first I’m going to go and
00:33:49.320 —> 00:33:53.300
read the web on how to do this and familiarize myself and, oh my God, I’m going to have to
00:33:53.300 —> 00:33:57.460
download all kinds of frameworks and I’m going to, well, wait, I need to compare these frameworks
00:33:57.460 —> 00:34:01.760
and I need to, I was like, well, yesterday you knew how to write Python and you could
00:34:01.760 —> 00:34:05.920
just start freaking writing Python and no, no, I’ve got to compare these. Well, these
00:34:05.920 —> 00:34:09.640
have prices and some of these are commercial offerings and some of these had security updates
00:34:09.640 —> 00:34:13.920
and security flaws. So I need to, and I’m just watching this stuff scroll by and I’m
00:34:13.920 —> 00:34:19.160
like, why are you giving me these implementation details? Hell are you thinking? You know,
00:34:19.160 —> 00:34:20.360
It’s just going on and on.
00:34:20.360 —> 00:34:21.200
Here’s the question.
00:34:21.200 —> 00:34:25.240
I totally understand the desire to move beyond
00:34:25.240 —> 00:34:27.260
asking questions and getting texts back
00:34:27.260 —> 00:34:29.700
to go do something for me.
00:34:29.700 —> 00:34:30.540
Yes.
00:34:30.540 —> 00:34:32.700
What I’m not so sure about is
00:34:32.700 —> 00:34:35.020
what the results will be at this point in time.
00:34:35.020 —> 00:34:36.540
When these things are full of lies,
00:34:36.540 —> 00:34:38.100
when these things are full of mistakes,
00:34:38.100 —> 00:34:40.140
when they so often have to be corrected,
00:34:40.140 —> 00:34:43.740
if you let it start for you and run down the path
00:34:43.740 —> 00:34:45.920
and then come back with a more finished result,
00:34:45.920 —> 00:34:47.840
how much more digging are you gonna have to do
00:34:47.840 —> 00:34:48.860
to unearth the problem?
00:34:48.860 —> 00:34:50.420
and fix it.
00:34:50.420 —> 00:34:51.260
Bingo.
00:34:51.260 —> 00:34:53.380
And that’s the thing is it needs supervision, right?
00:34:53.380 —> 00:34:57.200
And so I maintain that these AIs
00:34:57.200 —> 00:35:02.200
are still like junior level assistants or programmers.
00:35:02.200 —> 00:35:03.660
They need supervision.
00:35:03.660 —> 00:35:05.760
You can’t just let them, you know,
00:35:05.760 —> 00:35:08.140
like run amok on their own.
00:35:08.140 —> 00:35:10.880
Unlike junior level assistants,
00:35:10.880 —> 00:35:13.080
because these are large language models
00:35:13.080 —> 00:35:14.340
and because they’re just learning
00:35:14.340 —> 00:35:18.840
based on other people’s writings for the most part,
00:35:18.840 —> 00:35:24.760
I’m not so sure that they have the ability to understand when they’ve made a programming
00:35:24.760 —> 00:35:27.220
error or correct themselves.
00:35:27.220 —> 00:35:33.300
So unlike the junior intern, they’re not going to necessarily get any better over time or
00:35:33.300 —> 00:35:38.340
become more reliable in one type of programming just because they’ve become more reliable
00:35:38.340 —> 00:35:39.340
in another.
00:35:39.340 —> 00:35:41.940
And I’m not talking about syntax errors that differ from language to language.
00:35:41.940 —> 00:35:45.860
I’m talking about basic fundamental logic errors that mean the program wouldn’t work
00:35:45.860 —> 00:35:50.980
regardless of which language you put it in. Yeah. And they don’t. I mean, we know they’re
00:35:50.980 —> 00:35:57.220
not self-aware or they don’t have a clue. You can refer to in GPT, you can tell it like, why did you
00:35:57.220 —> 00:36:02.500
just tell me, you know, such and such, or it’ll give you a Python code and it’ll be, it’ll have,
00:36:02.500 —> 00:36:06.740
it’ll use, oh, someone gave an example of this the other day. I don’t remember what it was. It
00:36:06.740 —> 00:36:11.540
was a podcast I was listening to and this guy was troubleshooting it. And he realized after half an
00:36:11.540 —> 00:36:16.780
an hour, he couldn’t get this library to work. It’s because the AI hallucinated and made
00:36:16.780 —> 00:36:19.200
up this library that didn’t exist.
00:36:19.200 —> 00:36:22.580
It does that with books and movies and all kinds of stuff all the time. It just makes
00:36:22.580 —> 00:36:23.580
stuff up.
00:36:23.580 —> 00:36:29.500
Right. So not only does it do that, it can’t even realize that you can ask it, “Why did
00:36:29.500 —> 00:36:34.040
you tell me that?” And it’s like, “I’m sorry, as an AI language model, I can’t tell you
00:36:34.040 —> 00:36:40.020
what…” But meanwhile, I heard someone yesterday or this weekend, I was listening to a podcast,
00:36:40.020 —> 00:37:07.620
I don’t remember. And they were talking about, you know, using deterministic AI to manage traffic going to various data centers. And the AI decided to move traffic from one data center to the other. And they’re like, Oh, yeah, it did. We don’t know why, but it did. And I was like, this is how Skynet happens, you dolts. You’re seriously you don’t know why it’s doing it. It’s just like, we’re gonna write it to the other data center. You should know.
00:37:08.060 —> 00:37:13.820
A) They should know why, and B) They should at least know was it the right decision or not.
00:37:13.820 —> 00:37:18.300
Retrospectively, does there appear to be some reason that it came up with that?
00:37:18.300 —> 00:37:23.660
Yeah, but this is the thing. When people say, for instance, like two revelations,
00:37:23.660 —> 00:37:27.340
like someone posted this week on one of the mailing lists I’m on,
00:37:27.340 —> 00:37:33.180
”AI is not going to take your job. Someone else using AI is going to take your job.”
00:37:33.180 —> 00:37:38.060
So that’s one thing. And then the other part is, yeah, I don’t think AI is what’s going to kill us.
00:37:38.060 —> 00:37:41.740
It’s going to be our blind trust in AI is what’s going to kill us.
00:37:41.740 —> 00:37:47.820
People are going to do stupid things with AI. Bad things will happen. And depending on what kind of
00:37:47.820 —> 00:37:52.220
companies and/or what kind of government organizations use them, bad things can happen
00:37:52.220 —> 00:37:57.180
to people because other people trust what the AI is telling them. And then they come and get you,
00:37:57.180 —> 00:38:02.620
or some terrible thing happens to you. But anyway, aside from that, yeah, I don’t, I’m,
00:38:02.620 —> 00:38:06.220
I’m not one of the people that worries that it’s going to take a bunch of jobs. It’s certainly not
00:38:06.220 —> 00:38:09.900
going to take a writer’s jobs because you and I have both read stuff that we’ve asked it to create
00:38:09.900 —> 00:38:14.940
and it’s horrible. I don’t know, man. The writers seem to be, if you’ve seen, they’ve always been
00:38:14.940 —> 00:38:19.980
afraid. They thought that the Xerox machine was going to kill them. Right. But also if you look
00:38:19.980 —> 00:38:25.180
at some of the crap coming out of Hollywood these days, this is not a ding at the writers. I’m, I’m
00:38:25.180 —> 00:38:30.420
talking about the companies producing this crap. They’ll crank anything out.
00:38:30.420 —> 00:38:35.460
Yeah, Hollywood, I don’t understand Hollywood’s, this is a slight tangent, I don’t understand
00:38:35.460 —> 00:38:40.500
Hollywood’s well, end game if you will here, because you would think that in response to
00:38:40.500 —> 00:38:44.100
a lot of competition, people changing the way they view things, people changing where
00:38:44.100 —> 00:38:48.340
they view things, they would come up with better and better material. Instead, they’ve
00:38:48.340 —> 00:38:52.860
turned even harder into the let’s just turn out crap and throw poop at the wall and see
00:38:52.860 —> 00:38:58.140
what sticks methodology, and I don’t get it. That’s not how to save yourselves in this
00:38:58.140 —> 00:39:00.540
situation. That’s how to prove everybody else was right.
00:39:00.540 —> 00:39:03.720
But it seems to be working. That’s the thing, man.
00:39:03.720 —> 00:39:05.260
Maybe people are getting dumber.
00:39:05.260 —> 00:39:06.260
Maybe?
00:39:06.260 —> 00:39:09.120
Maybe ChatGPT is the only one going to the movies.
00:39:09.120 —> 00:39:16.100
Have you seen Idiocracy? That’s a freaking documentary, dude. On that happy note.
00:39:16.100 —> 00:39:21.140
Yeah. It’ll be interesting to see where you come to, and I’m very interested in hearing
00:39:21.140 —> 00:39:23.660
more about both of those topics, honestly.
00:39:23.660 —> 00:39:26.060
Yeah, so yeah, I’m curious though,
00:39:26.060 —> 00:39:28.100
but you know, so I didn’t even talk about though,
00:39:28.100 —> 00:39:29.680
Agent GPT.
00:39:29.680 —> 00:39:34.060
So apparently Agent GPT is a competitor to AutoGPT,
00:39:34.060 —> 00:39:35.900
but it has a different focus.
00:39:35.900 —> 00:39:38.140
It’s supposedly more user-friendly,
00:39:38.140 —> 00:39:40.540
and I’m like, okay, good.
00:39:40.540 —> 00:39:42.820
It’s got a UI, you know, it’s a web interface
00:39:42.820 —> 00:39:44.620
versus a library that you, you know,
00:39:44.620 —> 00:39:47.100
bunch of Python code that you download
00:39:47.100 —> 00:39:48.620
and build on your own machine.
00:39:48.620 —> 00:39:50.060
That’s literally as far as I’ve gotten
00:39:50.060 —> 00:39:51.420
as far as that comparison goes.
00:39:51.420 —> 00:39:53.560
So I haven’t really made much progress there either.
00:39:53.560 —> 00:39:55.520
Okay, I just wanted to follow up real quickly
00:39:55.520 —> 00:39:58.760
on the text editor thing because you asked me
00:39:58.760 —> 00:40:00.060
a couple of things like what are you using?
00:40:00.060 —> 00:40:01.920
I think you asked me what I was using on Mac and Windows.
00:40:01.920 —> 00:40:03.660
I don’t think I said it,
00:40:03.660 —> 00:40:07.320
but I am also using Notepad++ on Windows.
00:40:07.320 —> 00:40:08.160
I think you did.
00:40:08.160 —> 00:40:10.460
Another one that I use on Mac sometimes,
00:40:10.460 —> 00:40:13.360
and it’s not that great for web development for me,
00:40:13.360 —> 00:40:15.420
even though it’s actually supposed to be written that way,
00:40:15.420 —> 00:40:18.400
but it doesn’t support a lot of the languages
00:40:18.400 —> 00:40:19.460
and things that I do.
00:40:19.460 —> 00:40:20.880
and I’m not super familiar with it,
00:40:20.880 —> 00:40:23.380
but I looked at it’s open on an FTP server,
00:40:23.380 —> 00:40:24.820
SFTP server capabilities,
00:40:24.820 —> 00:40:27.700
and it doesn’t seem to be able to support SSH keys.
00:40:27.700 —> 00:40:28.740
Hmm.
00:40:28.740 —> 00:40:30.820
It has to use a password, and I don’t do that.
00:40:30.820 —> 00:40:32.740
I have all SSH keys.
00:40:32.740 —> 00:40:33.580
Mm-hmm.
00:40:33.580 —> 00:40:35.860
So anyway, but it’s called BBEdit.
00:40:35.860 —> 00:40:37.000
It’s by Barebone Software,
00:40:37.000 —> 00:40:38.540
and the one really cool thing about it is-
00:40:38.540 —> 00:40:39.920
It’s classic, man.
00:40:39.920 —> 00:40:40.760
It is a classic.
00:40:40.760 —> 00:40:43.980
It’s been around for 4,000 years, but it’s got,
00:40:43.980 —> 00:40:45.540
well, it’s been around almost as long as you and I
00:40:45.540 —> 00:40:47.540
have been podcasting, let’s put it that way, but anyway,
00:40:47.540 —> 00:40:48.740
no, I think it’s been a lot longer, actually.
00:40:48.740 —> 00:40:51.740
Yeah, it’s been around since the 90s, I think.
00:40:51.740 —> 00:40:53.740
Oh yeah, BBEdit, yeah.
00:40:53.740 —> 00:41:03.740
But they have a nice regex playground in it, and it’s pretty cool for, you know, setting up example text, playing with different regexes, seeing why it’s doing what it’s doing.
00:41:03.740 —> 00:41:07.740
That is a pretty cool tool. So I do like it for that. It’s not cheap.
00:41:07.740 —> 00:41:16.560
But every now and then they go on sale. And right now they have a sale where if you put in a
00:41:16.560 —> 00:41:23.560
specific code, you can get a single user license for $30. Still not cheap, but cheaper than normal.
00:41:23.560 —> 00:41:27.560
Do they do an upgrade if you bought a copy like 15 years ago?
00:41:27.560 —> 00:41:31.120
They do have upgrade pricing from previous versions. I don’t know what that upgrade
00:41:31.120 —> 00:41:36.000
pricing is and I don’t know how much it changes depending on what version you’ve had in the past.
00:41:36.000 —> 00:41:38.560
Probably give me like 42 cents off or something.
00:41:38.560 —> 00:41:42.800
Let me find the article with the discount code and give it to you. And then you can see if you
00:41:42.800 —> 00:41:45.520
can apply both the upgrade pricing and the discount code.
00:41:45.520 —> 00:41:47.120
Okay.
00:41:47.120 —> 00:41:52.080
That was just a follow up on those. We use Notepad++ at work all the time because
00:41:52.080 —> 00:42:00.000
it’s free. It does a really good job. It’s got a lot of good plugins and it does not interject
00:42:00.000 —> 00:42:05.440
all kinds of stupid invisible characters and things. And so we can trust it across
00:42:05.440 —> 00:42:09.040
platforms and on any kind of file that we want.
00:42:09.040 —> 00:42:13.760
What kind of, are you talking about like slash ends, slash r’s kind of thing?
00:42:13.760 —> 00:42:18.880
Yeah, stuff like that. We’ve had problems where invisible characters have messed up people’s
00:42:18.880 —> 00:42:23.760
product recipes before. And these are all XML file looking things.
00:42:23.760 —> 00:42:25.520
Got it. Got it.
00:42:25.520 —> 00:42:29.600
They get hosed and nobody can tell why. And it’s like, well, you’ve got invisible characters here.
00:42:29.600 —> 00:42:35.200
And that has happened more than once, and so using Notepad++ is a good way to both detect
00:42:35.200 —> 00:42:38.720
and prevent that from happening in the first place.
00:42:38.720 —> 00:42:39.720
Got it.
00:42:39.720 —> 00:42:41.120
It’s a pretty good tool.
00:42:41.120 —> 00:42:42.880
It’s a pretty flexible…
00:42:42.880 —> 00:42:49.120
I would not call it an IDE by any means, but for editing files rather than working on a
00:42:49.120 —> 00:42:54.220
coherent project in a specific programming language, it’s a really good tool.
00:42:54.220 —> 00:42:57.780
And I suppose it does support different programming languages in some ways too, but it’s not what
00:42:57.780 —> 00:43:05.380
would call an IDE but it’s great for editing files with. All right. So that’s all. Well there you go.
00:43:05.380 —> 00:43:15.060
So I’ve decided that I will start using Notion from scratch and only import at a later time from
00:43:15.060 —> 00:43:22.660
Evernote when I’m ready to. And I will just rename all of my notebooks in Evernote and add the word
00:43:22.660 —> 00:43:27.540
Evernote to them and that way I won’t have a conflict. Right I don’t even need to do that.
00:43:27.540 —> 00:43:32.540
I can just import and I’ll have two paradigm notebooks when I’m ready to import and then I can just drag everything over
00:43:32.540 —> 00:43:35.540
That’s the other thing I do. I think we figured it out.
00:43:35.540 —> 00:43:39.460
I don’t even remember. I gotta dig in and check my
00:43:39.460 —> 00:43:46.640
My emails and see if I even have a history of BBEdit. I must somewhere. BareBonessoftware, right?
00:43:46.640 —> 00:43:53.620
Yeah. Yeah, there it goes. I bought version 7.1. Oh, I had a free 7.0 upgrade in
00:43:54.560 —> 00:44:01.340
2002 I bought it again in 2003. I got 7.1 version 8 in
00:44:01.340 —> 00:44:05.740
2005 yeah, we’re now on 14 point 8.5 so
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8.2 upgrade from version 7 I paid 50 bucks for that
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Plus seven dollars and ninety five cents shipping. Oh my god. That was in
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2005 Wow
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Yeah, so I think normally it’s like a $60 product, isn’t it? I don’t even know right?
00:44:24.240 —> 00:44:30.660
It’s dude. I bought it in my last bought it in 2005. No, okay. I’ll go to store. I’ll go to
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Individual BBEdit 14 individual licenses $50 so I saved 20 bucks basically
00:44:38.240 —> 00:44:46.080
I see. Yeah individual 49 95 by download and if you upgrade from version 12 or prior, it’s $40
00:44:46.080 —> 00:44:49.800
Okay, so they’ll still give me 10 bucks off. Yeah if I wanted to
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I don’t know if that coupon code can be combined with it or not. Most likely not because probably not yeah
00:44:55.520 —> 00:45:01.260
But I mean I’ve already like I said, I’m pretty happy with text mate right now, you know
00:45:01.260 —> 00:45:05.260
I don’t think I need anything else at the moment. But yeah, don’t spend money. You don’t have to yeah
00:45:05.260 —> 00:45:08.340
I’ve got that and I’ve got again Visual Studio, you know VS code
00:45:08.340 —> 00:45:11.740
So I don’t think I need to change anything at this moment
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If you find yourself doing a lot of regular expressions and you don’t necessarily want to constantly ask ChatGPT for regular expressions
00:45:17.740 —> 00:45:22.540
you want to test them out yourself and see the changes and see the different elements that do what,
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then maybe it would be useful for you.
00:45:25.100 —> 00:45:26.540
Doesn’t Copilot do that yet?
00:45:26.540 —> 00:45:28.060
But you have to pay for Copilot.
00:45:28.060 —> 00:45:32.620
Oh, that’s right. It’s not the community edition. I’m sure somebody will write a plugin, though.
00:45:32.620 —> 00:45:37.260
Someone must have written a plugin by now, you know, that you can expand all these or, you know,
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extend all of these editors that support plugins. Just give me your API key and pay a few cents and
00:45:42.940 —> 00:45:46.140
it’ll, you know, it’ll do your query for you or something.
00:45:46.140 —> 00:45:56.880
That is true. I never, I haven’t looked for others. I looked for the Copilot plugin and I found that, but I was only doing a trial and I made sure to cancel that before they wanted to start charging me because I didn’t want to pay for Copilot and chatGBT.
00:45:56.880 —> 00:45:58.340
Right. Bingo.
00:45:58.340 —> 00:46:02.380
All right, Peter, where in the world can people find us?
00:46:02.380 —> 00:46:09.180
You mean besides the, obviously right here, because you’re listening to this freaking podcast, right?
00:46:09.180 —> 00:46:10.940
Yes. Somehow they found us.
00:46:11.380 —> 00:46:18.100
Somehow they found us. Yes. Well, you can find us at friendswithbrews.com.
00:46:18.100 —> 00:46:25.220
You can find Scott on Mastodon. Oh yeah. Yeah, you can. You can.
00:46:25.220 —> 00:46:30.100
You can, but just go to friendswithbrews.com and click on the friends to get the link to my
00:46:30.100 —> 00:46:33.140
Mastodon. Cause I don’t want Peter to sit here laughing for an hour.
00:46:33.140 —> 00:46:37.940
We’re just going to say, are we still, is there still a Friends with Beer pod out there somewhere?
00:46:37.940 —> 00:46:39.460
There is a Mastodon account. Yeah.
00:46:39.460 —> 00:46:41.140
Is it Friends with Beer pod?
00:46:41.140 —> 00:46:51.220
It is @friendswbrews@appdot.net.
00:46:51.220 —> 00:46:53.540
So it’s @friendswbrews.
00:46:53.540 —> 00:46:54.660
No one’s ever going to find that.
00:46:54.660 —> 00:46:59.540
Honestly, on most instances, if you just do a search for @friendswbrews, you’ll find it.
00:46:59.540 —> 00:47:01.700
The search works pretty good for users.
00:47:01.700 —> 00:47:04.900
What it doesn’t work for is topics and subjects and stuff like that
00:47:04.900 —> 00:47:07.780
unmasked it on so well, but for people it’ll find you.
00:47:07.780 —> 00:47:10.820
Oh, hey, did you hear that Twitter has a new CEO?
00:47:10.820 —> 00:47:11.820
Yes.
00:47:11.820 —> 00:47:14.740
Oh, that’s great.
00:47:14.740 —> 00:47:16.980
Is she as bad as Elon?
00:47:16.980 —> 00:47:24.320
I don’t think she’s as bad as Elon, but I heard things that I took as not being wonderful.
00:47:24.320 —> 00:47:29.120
Let’s just say she kind of leans in a certain direction that he and other people are known
00:47:29.120 —> 00:47:30.120
to lean.
00:47:30.120 —> 00:47:31.120
Let’s just put it that way.
00:47:31.120 —> 00:47:32.360
There’s a lot of leaning is what you’re saying.
00:47:32.360 —> 00:47:34.360
There’s a lot of leaning.
00:47:34.360 —> 00:47:39.680
If Elon’s a jazz fan, he should rename himself to be Elonious Monk instead of Elon Musk.
00:47:39.680 —> 00:47:41.680
Felonious Musk.
00:47:41.680 —> 00:47:43.680
Yeah, that’s true. Felonious.
00:47:43.680 —> 00:47:47.080
Okay, anyway, that’s it. That’s where you can find us. We’re gonna…
00:47:47.080 —> 00:47:49.080
Peter, can you please do the big red button?
00:47:49.080 —> 00:47:53.480
Oh, you can absolutely let me push the big red button.
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Tell your friends!