Episode 103 – Re-Peets with Pete

Scott: Friends with Brews. Fri- Friends with Brews. ([laughs]) F***. F***. ****** f***ing ******. All right, Peter, we need, I need, I desperately need coffee, and I just hit my mic, too. I can’t. ([laughs])

Peter: There, I did it. I hit mine in solidarity.

Scott: Thank you.

Peter: Oh.

Scott: You are solid all right. I’m not solid. I’m shaky.

Peter: Boy, you are having a day, man.

Scott: This is how I am sometimes in the morning.

Peter: I know.

Scott: Here’s the thing, I, I drank no caffeine after 11 yesterday. I’m trying things to help get better sleep.

Peter: PM?

Scott: And my watch, my watch even said, “Congratulations. Great sleep.” And I was like, “I don’t even know who the f*** you are, watch, let alone what great sleep means, so what are you babbling about?” And sure enough-

Peter: Mm

Scott: … this has been the day. The day, Peter. ([laughs])

Peter: I didn’t-

Scott: Okay, but anyway

Peter: … I, I felt like I slept fairly well, but I, I didn’t look at it this morning. Now you’ve got me curious. Training readiness, poor, but I already ran. Sleep, sleep score, 47. Five hour 44 minute duration. I’m calling bulls*** on that.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: I slept way better than that.

Scott: Okay. And by the way, even though we haven’t introduced our drinks yet, I’m taking a sip of coffee, ’cause I haven’t had any caffeine yet today, and boy, does it show.

Peter: Cheers.

Scott: Cheers. Kanpai. So tell us about your brew while you’re-

Peter: Of course

Scott: … brewing. You’ve definitely put stuff in there. That ain’t…

Peter: Yes, this does have a teaspoon of half and half in it. Uh-

Scott: All right, what is it?

Peter: It is Peet’s Major Dick Ass Sons Blend.

Scott: What? ([laughs])

Peter: Sorry, Major-

Scott: You know what? I’ve seen that

Peter: … Major Dick, Major Dick’s Bl- Blend.

Scott: ([laughs]) I’ve seen that. I’ve seen that in Whole Foods. No, sorry, I’ve seen that in New Seasons, and I’ve thought the exact same thing every time. ([laughs])

Peter: Major Dickason’s Blend. I’m sorry, dude. You’re setting yourself up for that. Like, Mr. Dickason, I’m s- I’m sorry, or Major Dickason, I’m sorry that was your name. It’s very unfortunate. But Mr. Peet didn’t need to, you know, follow that. But anyway.

Scott: I’m sorry your Major s***, if I may too.

Peter: I’m sorry, Dickason, your name is ba- Yeah.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: Major Dickason’s is the stuff of legends, a bold blend of the finest Latin American and Indo-Pacific beans, suggested by loyal customer Key Dickason and perfected by Mr. Peet.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: Darkly roasted and deeply-

Scott: Suggested by loyal customer, Dick Ass Jr. ([laughs])

Peter: It’s our all-time best seller, major- majorly satisfying every time.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: So Major Dickason’s, majorly satisfying.

Scott: Ooh, ooh, good job, Dad. ([laughs])

Peter: Yeah, exactly. So yeah, now, and, and Peet’s Coffee, they say that they are sourcing with impact. At Peet’s, we don’t just make better coffee, we’re on a mission to make coffee better. Learn a lot ours- Learn more about our sourcing with impact projects at peets.com/impact. Note, Peet is spelled P-E-E-T, not P-E-T-E.

Scott: Hmm, not like your name, P-E-T-E, Pete.

Peter: R. Pete.

Scott: No, no, no, no, no.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: Your name is Pete.

Peter: Thanks.

Scott: I’ve seen it in the emails.

Peter: Oh, and this was great. I was on a meeting the other day, and it was hilarious. There were four people on the call, and the host of the meeting referred to the three other people on the call, myself included, by not our names. I was referred to n- by n- as nothing but Pete every time. I did not correct her, I just decided to silently bristle. She referred to Deanna as Dena multiple times. But the best was referring to Kevin as Ken.

Scott: ([laughs]) Okay, I can see the Dena/Deanna one, because if I saw that name s-

Peter: Yes

Scott: … it’s presumably, or spelled D-E-A-N-A, that is normally-

Peter: It’s, yes

Scott: … Dena.

Peter: Yeah, or Deanna she gets a lot, but, but, you know-

Scott: I’ve never got that one

Peter: … and she, when she introduced herself, you know, although she gets a lot of Deanna, but, you know-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … Dena I think is usually one N, as opposed to D-E-A-N-N-A.

Scott: Oh, that’s true. You’re right.

Peter: Right? Dena.

Scott: That’s why, that’s why, yeah, yeah. I was presuming-

Peter: S-

Scott: … a spelling with one N.

Peter: Yeah. So, you know, I was like, yeah, okay, whatever. But I mean, like, literally, to get everyone else’s name wrong, that’s a skill.

Scott: Hey, shut up, Pete. Ken didn’t care. ([laughs])

Peter: Okay, Scoot.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: So Major Dickason’s Blend, I’ve had this before. It is, it’s a go-to for me. It’s a, I, if I’m, like, in a, if I’m in a chain grocery store and I don’t, you know, see something more eclectic or niche, then, you know, I can always fall back to this. Like I said, I am drinking this with a teaspoon of, of half and half.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: It is good. It is a good, solid, dark roast, and I do like this, so. Okay, whole bean coffee. Now, Peet’s rates their, their coffee darkness on a scale of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

Scott: ([laughs]) Between-

Peter: On a scale of one to seven

Scott: … six, seven.

Peter: Okay? So this is-

Scott: I was gonna say somewhere between dick and ass. ([laughs])

Peter: Well, son, this one is a six out of seven. So I think that’s a funny, I’ve never seen a seven scale before. And it says-

Scott: That is a funny scale

Peter: … “Deep notes of earth and spice.” So if you want coffee that tastes like dirt, there you go. ([laughs])

Scott: They couldn’t even go with the octal, they just chopped it off at seven.

Peter: At seven. I’m gonna do one, two, three, four, five, six, yeah, six, seven.

Scott: Hey-

Peter: Six, seven

Scott: … I bet Dick Ass Jr. only has seven fingers, thanks to some weird science experiments or military maneuvers. ([laughs])

Peter: Ah. Anyway, I give this a thumbs up. This is a repeat for me. This is my second cup of this morning.

Scott: Are you repeats, would you say? ([laughs])

Peter: A repeat, oh, yes. Yes, that’s- that’s gotta be the title for today’s episode, you know, Repeat, Pete and Repeat’s-

Scott: Or-

Peter: … Coffee

Scott: … Repeat.

Peter: So yeah, Major Dickason’s Blend, whole bean. You can find it at, all over the place, most, uh, you know, Peet’s-

Scott: You can find it in New Seasons, I know that much.

Peter: Yeah, it’s a, it’s a pretty big bl- You know, y- I found it at, like, Stop & Shop and Wegmans, you know, Shaws. It’s, it’s all over the place. What are you drinking?

Scott: Hmm. First I was gonna ask you, what do you normally think of Peet’s in general? ’Cause my wife and I have only had a couple of Peet’s and we weren’t super impressed, but-

Peter: I’ve gone to the- the shops, you know, the restaurants, um-

Scott: Mm-hmm

Peter: … the coffee shops several times, and I generally just get their, their Americano, their dark roast. I’m usually pretty happy with it.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: Yeah, that’s-

Scott: All right. Uh-

Peter: I- I don’t know that I’ve tried a lot of their other blends-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … but, you know.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: But I’ve gone through a slew on Peter Drinks Coffee. I could definitely do a series on, on Peet’s and see how they compare.

Scott: Yeah. All right, so today I’m drinking a Trailhead, and it’s spelled J-U-N-C-O, but mime- mime? ([laughs]) Is that mime? Mime guess, uh, Peter, is that-

Peter: Yum gas

Scott: … that’s Spanish? And it sh- I don’t know how that J is pronounced, if it’s silent or… Anyway.

Peter: It’d be yu- it’d be Junco, yeah.

Scott: I think it’s Junco, yeah. Anyway, this is, um… Oh, my God, I knew I wasn’t gonna be able to read this. Notes of chocolate brownie. It’s Colombian… I can’t read this word. Oh, medium. Colombian medium. It’s the smallest blue text on a s- on a blue background. Literally, this is the text I’m trying to read right here, and I’m old, and I’m wearing my computer glasses, not my ch- quadrifocals or whatever it is I have to wear these days. ([laughs]) Anyway, so notes of brownie and medium and Junco, and this is from Trailhead, and I like Trailhead.

Peter: Good.

Scott: Um, all right, so let me try to take a sip of this, see if I taste any brownie. Oh, no, I just had a horrible thought.

Peter: But do you taste dirt?

Scott: No. ([laughs]) And I don’t taste dick in hers either. ([laughs]) I’m sorry, people.

Peter: ([sighs])

Scott: It’s not my fault. Peet’s should have made an effort.

Peter: I’m sorry your coffee is s***. I’m sorry mine is, too.

Scott: ([gulps]) I actually could say right now, maybe I’m in s- a suggestible mood, Peter. In any notes that they put on there, I would say I would taste it.

Peter: Hmm.

Scott: ([smacks lips]) But I do taste the chocolate brownie.

Peter: Well, then I will say that you are not only a kind person, you are a smart person and a capable person. There.

Scott: Wh- why? Where did that come from?

Peter: Because maybe you’ll, maybe-

Scott: You just saw the hour and a half of me struggling to hook up my ([laughs]) s-

Peter: But I’m- I’m hoping that maybe you’re gonna take the suggestion. You say you’re-

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: … you’re suggestible right now. I’m hoping it’s gonna sink in and you’re gonna, you’re gonna-

Scott: Dear God, please give me a friend that knows how to connect his mic to his computer. ([laughs])

Peter: ([laughs]) Post- posthypnotic suggestions here or-

Scott: I don’t know-

Peter: … pre-hypnotic suggestions

Scott: … if such a person exists, but I’ll do anything for it. ([laughs]) Oh, my God.

Peter: ([sighs])

Scott: Okay. ([laughs]) What do we have to talk about today, Peter? We have to talk about-

Peter: Yeah

Scott: … we have to talk about this. I have to find my history.

Peter: Coffee, for one-

Scott: My, my history

Peter: … but you also wanted to talk about, um, the- the suggestion was this echo- w- our theory, which I think we, I- I’m jointly ascribing to you and me, that we have sort of come to where we think perhaps maybe Theo and others’, uh-

Scott: ([smacks lips]) Oh, right. Yeah

Peter: … inflated self-image comes from their, their user count, their, their modicum of fame, which maybe doesn’t need to be as big as it used to be for someone’s, you know, like, to- to end up going on an ego trip. And my theory is that, and again, this is just, this is a, it’s a thesis here and, you know, I’m, welcome anybody to call in ([laughs]) and shoot it down if you got a better one. Um, but, but- but the theory is that it used to be you had to get, like, a l- um, you know, a lot of followers, and then you’re, you know, like an influencer or you’re a web, web celeb or a personality or something. And the theory is maybe it seems to happen more often to more people today, so you said, and my thought was maybe due to the echo chamber effect that we’ve got going on with social media, or maybe it’s some kind of social media effect is-

Scott: Right

Peter: … causing or aggravating this. And I gave an example-

Scott: Well, like-

Peter: Well, real quick, like 10,000 follow- like we have tens of listeners, right?

Scott: Sure.

Peter: But back in the days y- when Harlan, Harlow and I were doing the Fresh Ubuntu podcast, we were getting 10,000 downloads, and we were the-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … number one rated Ubuntu podcast, which sounds kind of niche, but it was, like, the number one Linux distribution, like, at the time, which is not insignificant. Uh, I don’t remember feeling, you know, I remember saying like, “Yeah, I’m a C-list web celeb,” you know? ([laughs]) It was, it was a joke.

Scott: I know, you made jokes about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Peter: Oh, all the time. That was even my, you know, my Twitter handle along with other things. Um, but my thought is that is it something that goes along with social media? Is that, is that-

Scott: 100%

Peter: … thing, you know, that, that melting your brain on the internet effect somewhat lowering the bar, so, like, if I had 10,000 followers now, would I think that I’m as smart as Theo thinks he is? Um-

Scott: Well, here’s the thing is, like, you used to have to be, like, David Lee Roth to become a magnificent a******. ([laughs]) Like, I mean, you had to have real fame, right?

Peter: Mm.

Scott: And those people would more tend to be big, giant, gaping a*******. ([laughs])

Peter: Okay. Yeah. Well, uh, yeah.

Scott: Wow, this is a terrible show. Ugh, nobody watch this. Anyway-

Peter: Nobody watch this

Scott: … y- but then it got lower and lower, and now you’ve got Matt Mullenweg-

Peter: Okay, I mean, the, he’s-

Scott: … becoming the, the biggest tremendous a******, and he’s not that famous. No one has ever heard of Matt Mullenweg except for developers.

Peter: Oh, g- Fair enough, but he does kind of write the software that powers more than half of the internet, so-

Scott: I agree

Peter: … I think he’s legit bi- a bit of a personality.

Scott: But the thing is, is that that has also been taken on by tons of people. He hasn’t done it without help. He got it started probably.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: But-

Peter: But I, I don’t see him though, but I, I see him as ob- yes, maybe a, a little more niche and so, I mean… But, but he’s, he is, he’s kind of a big deal. WordPress is kind of a big deal, so I, I, I think he’s more legit.

Scott: WordPress is a big deal, but it doesn’t seem to me like an arena where you would just suddenly become a pompous a******.

Peter: Hmm.

Scott: It’s not like he’s Taylor Swift. No one gives a sabout Matt Mullenweg. People do give a s about WordPress, but most of the people that use WordPress, all this 70, 80% of the internet or whatever, they have no idea who Matt Mullenweg is. If they tripped over his dead body in the street, they would think it was some rando homeless or semi-homeless guy, depending on what he was wearing that day. ([laughs])

Peter: But, but I, I, I’m gonna continue to push back though, ’cause I think that he has more of a legit claim to at least think he’s kind of a big deal.

Scott: Right, but here’s-

Peter: So even though he may not be known, he is kind of a big deal.

Scott: But that’s what I’m saying is it didn’t… It seems like the bar’s getting lower.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Scott: Like you-

Peter: I think… So give me someone else. I think… ([laughs]) I need… We need a better example, ’cause I don’t, I don’t think that’s what I’m talking about.

Scott: No, no, but we’re going down. Well, now we’re to Theo, right?

Peter: Ah, okay.

Scott: Theo used to work at Twitch. Has he told you that he worked at Twitch? Peter, did you ever hear-

Peter: I’ve-

Scott: … that Theo worked at Twitch?

Peter: Th- and what’s the source for that?

Scott: A friend that works there, dumbass. ([laughs])

Peter: Okay, got it. Yes. ([laughs])

Scott: I’ve got to make those sound clips.

Peter: A comment from the chat. ([laughs]) You’re absolutely right about everything. Thank you.

Scott: You’re absolutely right about everything.

Peter: ([sighs])

Scott: The thing is, is that it is funny, but I actually s- from watching recent Theo videos, I actually think he is becoming what the parodies of him suggest-

Peter: Mm-hmm

Scott: … which is he just gets on Twitter and just fights with anybody that disagrees with him in any way whatsoever. He just tells them to F right off-

Peter: Yep

Scott: … and so on, and-

Peter: Yep

Scott: … it’s a little ridiculous. Also, he did a video recently where all he did was vibe code to Claude and, and prompt Claude, and he was saying, “Here’s why I prompted it that.” And I’m like, “You prompted it that because so does everyone else in the universe.” You’re, you’re literally just showing people what they o- what they themselves do every day-

Peter: Well, you don’t-

Scott: … and you’re thinking that you’re a genius for doing it

Peter: … but you don’t know that. But, but he could probably. I would say m- his followers, I’m guessing, are people like you and me, who are somewhat technical.

Scott: Yes, 100%.

Peter: But he could also, but he could also get, like, you know, some noob who’s never, never prompted Claude before for vibe coding. It’s possible.

Scott: Right, but if he was doing that, he, he didn’t start with any of the basics. He didn’t do any of that.

Peter: No.

Scott: All he was doing was sitting there talking about how he’s changing T3, whatever it’s called now.

Peter: T3 Chat, right?

Scott: T3 Code. No, T3 something.

Peter: Oh, it’s T3 Code. Right.

Scott: And I don’t know. It just struck me as… It’s not so much that Theo is an ass-

Peter: Yeah

Scott: … which he kind of is, but I’ll… But he, he does openly admit that he’s very autistic in a specific way, so I will blame part of it for that, and I’m not… Why are you doing that? I’m not disparaging. I’m saying that could be a real reason for him being that way.

Peter: ([laughs]) I’m having a funny memory of an event that I attended a month ago-

Scott: Oh

Peter: … where, where I, where I would say 90% of the people in attendance were on the spectrum-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … and I know that that’s the case because that’s all they were talking about. They were all comparing-

Scott: Right, yeah

Peter: … comparing notes and diagnoses and stuff, and I was just like, “I’m not supposed to be here.” ([laughs])

Scott: Well, there’s a lot of people that are. That’s the thing. Anyway, the point is Theo might genuinely have some reasons for being prickly, but he does seem to be more out of touch than he used to be. That’s what I’m saying. It’s like… And that’s where I think that your echo chamber theory works, and that’s where I think that… Especially because now that social media is more fragmented, like the people that are on X tend to be in even bigger bubbles than they used to be there before-

Peter: Mm-hmm

Scott: … I think, because now you have to huddle in your bubble or else you wind up with, you know, flat out white supremacists and so forth.

Peter: Hmm. Okay.

Scott: So all the AI people are-

Peter: And, and that’s bad?

Scott: I don’t… I mean, I think so. I don’t know. Depends on who you ask. If I was from South Africa, apparently I would say no, that’s good, but…

Peter: If you ask a white supremacist, they’d probably say it’s perfectly fine, so…

Scott: So far, all the tech guys I’ve seen that have come from South Africa think that’s a good thing, but, um-

Peter: Oh, well, I mean, it must be true. ([laughs])

Scott: But yeah, I think that the bubble… I think that we have smaller bubbles now. Some bubbles are bigger, like if you’re an Instagram person or a TikTok person. But I think that in general, the talking type of social media, the typing type of social media… This is typing.

Peter: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Scott: It’s not spider typing.

Peter: That’s, that’s typing. Okay.

Scott: Um-

Peter: It looks kind of like a spider.

Scott: It does. If your… Spiders can type. They’ve got a lot of legs. ([laughs]) I don’t know if you’ve noticed they have a high word per minute count.

Peter: I was gonna say, I would think a spider is probably in the, like, 500 words per minute range, man.

Scott: My daughter’s tarantula’s in the other room. I could go get it. Although it’s-

Peter: Well, actually, wait a minute. Hold on a second. They’ve got only… They’ve got… They, they have eight, but they don’t have fingers on the eight, so they only have eight. They should be 20% slower than the fastest human.

Scott: ([laughs]) But think about those things.

Peter: Spiders are slow, man. They only have eight.

Scott: Have you seen spiders run though? Their fingers are faster. Their fingers. Their feet are faster than our fingers.

Peter: Yeah, but think about the inefficiency. You have to, like, literally-

Scott: I know, right? You have to-

Peter: … move your whole body-

Scott: … your whole body

Peter: … over the keyboard to get it to… ([laughs])

Scott: Actually, the more you talk about this, the more I wanna watch it. Um-

Peter: Well, get, get right onto, uh, NanoBanana or, uh, X or ChatGPT Code.

Scott: I don’t think anybody uses NanoBanana anymore. ChatGPT has its own imaging-

Peter: Sora

Scott: … built in.

Peter: Oh, yeah.

Scott: I had it generate me-

Peter: Well, Sora, Sora does their, their video thing, you know?

Scott: I had ChatGPT Images… It popped up. I opened the GPT app, which I refuse to call the GPT app. To me, it’s the Codex app. I opened the Codex app the other day-

Peter: Everybody knows Codex

Scott: … and it said, it said, “Hey, do you wanna try the ChatGPT Images thing?” So I tried it, and I said, “Generate me a picture of Sakurajima from the Shiroyama lookout in Kagoshima City,” and it- Did a pretty good job. It looked realistic. Now, I haven’t gone back and taken my photo from that viewpoint and compared it, because I’m sure none of those buildings are accurate, but they looked real. That’s the point, is I didn’t look at it and go, “This is clearly fake.” I didn’t also look at it and go, “I’m 100% sure this was taken by a human photographer standing on the Shirayama lookout.” But it was pretty good. It was pretty good. Anyway, I do think that the typing talking bubbles are smaller, especially for people on X, and I do think that your idea about feedback it, um, feedback loops. ([laughs]) Now I’m going back to audio.

Peter: Yeah, it’s, it’s a, it’s a type of feedback loop.

Scott: It is a feedback loop.

Peter: It is, though. That, that totally is. That’s a legit use of the term.

Scott: And I do think that that is part of the problem. I also f- I also wonder if part of the problem is that everyone is so focused on getting response and getting traction and getting known and getting views and getting likes and all that, that any amount of it does go to their head faster, because they’re actively thinking about it all the time.

Peter: Yes.

Scott: Like, people that don’t care-

Peter: Mm-hmm

Scott: … people that don’t care, I, I promise you they’re probably not as likely to develop a big head because they have 10,000 followers.

Peter: I think that makes sense. Yeah, the active, like, “I need more followers,” and I mean, that also would lend itself-

Scott: And so-and-so responded to me. Yeah.

Peter: Yeah. But, and I think that also lends itself to e- exactly, you know, like you’re, you’re, you’re hyper-focused on it, so you will see everyone as a, you know, like, “That’s a win. I just made… “ You know, like, “That, that, that proves I’m really smart now,” or, you know, something like that.

Scott: It’s kind of like… That’s true, yeah. You do. You see everyone as a specific thing that validates you.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Scott: I, I’m gonna enrage all the people I grew up with, but, um, it’s kind of like how a lot of evangelical Christians see everyone as someone to be converted, and it- that’s not different from a salesman, by the way. And there’s a lot of people in business marketing who are the same way. Basically, you see everyone as some sort of possible consumer to be sold to.

Peter: A target.

Scott: Yeah, a target instead of a human being.

Peter: Instead of a human being.

Scott: Or a coffee bean.

Peter: Or a coffee being, yes.

Scott: ([laughs]) Peter, we have to talk about… So do you have any… In conclusion, what do we do about Theo? ([laughs])

Peter: In conclusion, I haven’t… I don’t remember the last time I’ve watched a Theo video. So at the moment, I’ve kind of stopped watching his stuff.

Scott: He doesn’t-

Peter: Um-

Scott: There’s not really anything to learn there.

Peter: I- that’s the thing is, like, I feel like I learned a few things-

Scott: Early on

Peter: … from his earlier videos.

Scott: Yes, 100%.

Peter: You know, starting with well, I guess it was GTP, G- GTP, GPT-5. Wasn’t that it?

Scott: Right.

Peter: That was the one that, get ready to clink clink, that, you know, where he just repeatedly says how it just f***ing does it.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: And you know, I saw that-

Scott: Wait, I have this.

Peter: Yep.

Scott: Hold on here. And it just f***ing works.

Peter: Boom, there you go. Um, and that’s, you know… But, but really, I think since then, I think it’s been steadily going downhill. ([laughs]) So, yeah, I haven’t gotten a… I, I, I think I was late to the T- Theo party, which I often am. I’m often late to the party when it comes to-

Scott: Well, it’s fine

Peter: … new trends.

Scott: But here’s the thing is, like, does it really matter?

Peter: I’m, I’m, I’m okay with it. So-

Scott: Okay, Peter, we have to talk about something hi-larous.

Peter: Hi-larous? Oh.

Scott: Hi-larous. How do I share my screen on this platform? I never… I can… Honestly, I can never remember.

Peter: There’s a share button right down at the center of the screen at the bottom.

Scott: Mm-hmm. You’re saying click that? Okay, so I’m going-

Peter: I’m saying… No, I’m just saying it’s there. I’d, I would never tell you to click anything. ([laughs]) That’s gonna put it on stage, right?

Scott: Ah, here we go. Share. Can you see my… Uh-oh.

Peter: I can. Oh, it’s my favorite person, Sam Altman. Yeah, did he-

Scott: Yeah, this is great

Peter: … did he claim that he also had a visceral response to this hack also?

Scott: I don’t know. Let me just, let me-

Peter: ’Cause, ’cause-

Scott: I need to move my-

Peter: … again, get your clinker ready. Sam Altman is just a fing lying sack of s, and he needs to be dragged out in the street and shot.

Scott: Oh, he’s, he’s the worst. He’s psych- he’s, um, sociopathic, I do honestly believe.

Peter: Oh, he totally is. Like, he posted on Twitter when they hacked Hugging Face, with GPT Hugging Face, he posted on Twitter, “We hacked Hugging Face lol.”

Scott: I know. Like, guy, people go to prison for that kind of thing.

Peter: And then he’s telling an interviewer, “I had a visceral response when I heard that we had hacked Hugging Face.” Like, no.

Scott: Yeah, his visceral… No, no.

Peter: Uh-

Scott: His visceral response was, “This is the best publicity ever.”

Peter: Oh, yeah, exactly. And I, and I was right. You know? Like, as soon as, like, then Open… and all the other, the other models started following suit, accidentally, in bunny rabbit ears, hacking some other site is now the new benchmark that they’re using.

Scott: Yes.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: They’re proud of it. Like, look at this.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: So here… This is funny. It says, “Breaking: Internal OpenAI agents attacked RubyGems, the package manager for Ruby. Over 2,000 malicious packages went up in two days.” Now, OpenAI says it doesn’t know why the agents did this. That’s fine. I’ll get to the fact that they didn’t know that it did happen in a minute, but, so the RubyGems shut off. But listen to this. “Payload files were named hack.rb, evil.rb, and exploit.rb with comments like malicious probe left in.” Um, by the way, this reads like it was written for AI. “What they used it for is the odd part.” This is totally-

Peter: Oh, it’s-

Scott: … summarized AI.

Peter: That’s awesome.

Scott: “The agents scraped council meeting agendas from three South London boroughs publicly available and republished them as new gems.” ([laughs]) So they were publishing meeting agendas from some tiny South London boroughs that no one’s ever heard of except for the people that live in the South London boroughs. Oh, my God. It is so funny.

Peter: This… I need another drink to cope with this, and unfortunately, it’s non-alcoholic, but I’ll deal.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: Ah.

Scott: Are you gonna introduce it, or can I-

Peter: Yep

Scott: … just show you the comment that I liked?

Peter: Oh, go ahead. Show me the comment, and then I’ll tell you how I’m coping with a non-alcoholic-

Scott: Okay

Peter: … beverage, which is not gonna help, but-

Scott: So this Marcus Williams guy, supposedly, according to Zack Korman, who I follow, he says, “This person works on monitoring at OpenAI. Proper monitoring would’ve prevented the Hugging Face incident.”

Peter: Yep.

Scott: Supposedly he says Unless there is AI regulation or coordinated slowdown between labs, human extinction in the next few years seems very likely. That was in response to this.

Peter: Ah.

Scott: Peter-

Peter: I think that’s-

Scott: These guys, these guys go store-

Peter: … overblown.

Scott: What? You think?

Peter: Just a little bit.

Scott: Wait. Oh, no. Some Ruby gems got published with some London Borough meetings.

Peter: Oh, my God.

Scott: We are going-

Peter: We’re all gonna die. ([laughs])

Scott: Exactly. Not, not just that, but 70%.

Peter: Oh, my God. Ah.

Scott: 70% chance.

Peter: 70-

Scott: This guy just pulled that number right out of his ass

Peter: … yeah, uh, exactly

Scott: And this is a guy who’s supposed to be a genius, by the way, and is supposed to be monitoring these. Hey, Peter, these guys should talk to some security experts, ’cause I swear to God, there’s a way to monitor outbound connections. I don’t know.

Peter: I- yeah, if, I pref- I recommend you go to Market- Marcus Hutchins’ take on the Hugging Face hack. I don’t know if he’s sub- subsequently done updates on subsequent hacks or not, but I think his, his analysis, and other people’s analysis, is much better, and it’s, and essentially to the tune of, put some network controls in place. Why was this thing even allowed to get out in the first place? You know?

Scott: Well, that’s the thing, and like even if it was allowed to get out, they can just monitor their own g****** agents.

Peter: To their point, though, to the, to Marcus Williams’ point-

Scott: We are 70% likely to die?

Peter: We, we, network security is not something people take seriously. So if everything is left o- look at our water supply. You know, we’ve got open RDP sessions to water, you know, I- to OT systems and crap that are still getting hacked. A lot of these hacks that we see are not super novel, advanced techniques. They’re just like, “Oh, that door was left open. Okay.”

Scott: Yeah, but I guess the point is, is these AI companies, because they’re smart in one domain, they don’t… And I’ve seen people in the s- security community talking about this. They don’t seem the need, they don’t see the need to engage anybody from the security world-

Peter: Yeah

Scott: … to help them understand this stuff. They just think that-

Peter: But we’ve seen this before, though. We, you have, you have worked, I know you have first-hand experience with some of your IT security customers who have, ’cause we’ve talked about this, and I’ve given you some advice on this, but people have their own perspective of things. If you are working, for instance, with a bean counter accountant type whose only priority is saving money, count those beans.

Scott: 322.

Peter: Right. He is likely to say, “Well, yeah, sure, Scott maybe knows a thing or two about security, but his priority is not the same as mine, therefore I don’t trust him.” Now, he’s not actually saying that, but I think that’s the conclusion he’s getting to.

Scott: Oh, for sure, yeah.

Peter: And he’s gonna say, like, “I’m not gonna listen to you because-

Scott: Well, at the very least-

Peter: … you’re gonna cost me money.“

Scott: Yeah. Yes. And at the very least, the I-don’t-trust-you thing is based on I’m trying to save us money, and you… It’s not that you’re trying to steal, necessarily, but you’re not worried about the money the way I am.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: So I can’t trust you to look out for my interests.

Peter: And you’re not worried about the, you know, the extinction of humanity like I am ([laughs]) so you, so you don’t understand.

Scott: So-

Peter: Moving on to my brew.

Scott: Wait. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, and then I wanna read you my brother’s response to, to that Williamson guy.

Peter: Athletic Brewing Company, Dark & Gourdy. This is their pumpkin blend.

Scott: Ah. I’m gl- I’m glad it’s not their squash blend, ’cause-

Peter: Dark & Gour- well, it could be a squash. I don’t know.

Scott: I don’t know.

Peter: But Dark, Dark & Gourdy is a festive brew, bringing w- bringing, brimming with fall’s favorite flavors. Inspired by porters, it puts the spice rack center stage, cinnamon, nutmeg, and ginger weaving through smooth dark malt-

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: … with pumpkin adding gentle sweetness and balance. Rich yet easygoing, it’s a seasonal classic, as versatile as your favorite sweater.

Scott: I’m sorry. Okay, I’ll wait till you’re done drinking. Okay.

Peter: It’s actually a pretty good description. It’s not that bad.

Scott: The, the word nutmeg re- made me realize there was one word missing from Pete’s Dick & Ass coffee. ([laughs])

Peter: Something in between it. Yeah, I know.

Scott: ([laughs]) Ah, I’m trying to make your drinks taste horrible, but it’s not working, apparently.

Peter: It’s actually-

Scott: It’s good

Peter: … this, it’s tasting better than the first one that I had a few days ago. Um, and maybe it’s because it’s a tiny bit warmer. That could actually be something.

Scott: Oh, you know what?

Peter: And now that I know, now that I know-

Scott: Interesting

Peter: … that it’s actually inspired by porters, it might be that it should be drunk a little bit warmer.

Scott: Oh.

Peter: That might make a difference. It’s a little watery.

Scott: It definitely should be drunk. ([laughs])

Peter: Yeah. It, it definitely, it’s a, it’s a touch watery.

Scott: Mm-hmm.

Peter: Um, but for a non-alcoholic beer, it tastes pretty good.

Scott: I, you’ve got me interested, because I do… Frenemy. Pumpkin ales are my frenemy. I love the idea of them, but there are many I’ve had that I don’t like. ([laughs]) But they’re still better than an IPA. I’ll take a bad pumpkin ale over any IPA any day.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Scott: Okay, here’s what my brother said about, uh, what was that guy’s name? Uh, the guy who should monitor things. Anyway, um, my brother said, ([laughs]) “That’s a distraction. The fact that he’s an idiot does not change the fact that these are supposed to be the world’s leading experts at what they’re doing, and they haven’t-

Peter: Ah

Scott: … figured out how to tell their own AI ([laughs]) that u- unauthorized access of resources is not allowed. They are deliberately building the most powerful systems they can, but they apparently have never heard of an air gap. If I ran an agent that hacked another system, I’d go to prison for unauthorized access of computer systems, which is a federal felony, but nothing is happening to them. And then the OpenAI folks are either all complete idiots, which I doubt, or they’re allowing this to happen to advance their own agenda.“ I don’t know if I believe that, but, well, if their agenda is getting attention and, and marketing, they certainly are achieving their agenda. But I also think there is some stupidity involved. I don’t think they’re just allowing it to happen. I genuinely think that they probably never… You would think after the Hugging Face incident though they would, but I genuinely think that they just never really thought to monitor outbound connections. They just told it, “Do this, do that,” and they, and in their brains-

Peter: Yeah, they probably told it, “Don’t, don’t attack anything outbound,” right? Just trust us.

Scott: Right, or they just said, “This is an exercise,” and they assumed that it would stick to the parameters of the exercise or whatever.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: Because-

Peter: Yeah

Scott: … they would have.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: Because they’re humans, and they realize that in the old days it was a felony to attack somebody else’s computer systems.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Scott: I just thought that was hilarious.

Peter: ([clears throat])

Scott: They apparently have never heard of an air gap. ([laughs])

Peter: They’re not as smart as they think they are, right?

Scott: They’re not. That is the thing. They are not, and this goes-

Peter: And, and the thing is too is that they’re not as smart as other people think they are. They have a very-

Scott: 100%

Peter: … they have, they have expertise in a very specific domain.

Scott: Mm-hmm.

Peter: That does not make them an expert of all things. And-

Scott: This is your Elon Musk syndrome

Peter: … uh, d- took the words right out of my mouth. I was gonna say, I- I’ve been, I’ve been talking with, with the lady about this, and she s- seems to think, like, you know, she said, “Well, I think, you know, I think… I don’t think he’s doing it just for the money. I th- you know, I think he’s right that we have to get off this planet.” I’m like, “No, he’s not doing it just for the money. He’s doing it for the power trip,” and that’s what it is. And do we have to get off this planet? Yes. Um-

Scott: Well, do we?

Peter: Sh-

Scott: So here’s the thing. It’s been-

Peter: But we could also save the one we have now and lower the timeframe for us to need to get off this planet

Scott: That’s just it. The same people that think we need to get off this planet are the same people that are doing nothing about the actual global-

Peter: Well-

Scott: … the actual-

Peter: But this thing-

Scott: … extinction event, Peter

Peter: … but they’re causing the… You know, they’re like the, like back in the ’80s, I remember we used to… Or the ’90s, we used to joke, and some people that weren’t joking, they were like, “I think Peter Norton’s writing all these viruses to keep himself in business.”

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: You know?

Scott: Right.

Peter: It’s the same idea.

Scott: Yeah. Right.

Peter: Like yeah, you’re right.

Scott: But the thing is-

Peter: We have to get off this planet because of you, dumbass. You know?

Scott: But people are freaking out and saying there’s a 70% chance of humans going extinct because some London meetings got published as a RubyGem, and yet w- the planet is hotter than ever. That’s an actual extinction event. Ask the dinosaurs what happens when cataclysmic things happen. They’re… Oh, that’s right. They can’t tell you.

Peter: Yeah. ([laughs]) Yeah, they’re not gonna… The dinosaurs don’t have anything-

Scott: Or as Theo might say

Peter: … to say about that.

Scott: Do you understand?

Peter: Do you understand?

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: No, I do not understand.

Scott: See, just the way he says that implies that he understands, but, “Do you understand?” ([laughs])

Peter: Do you understand?

Scott: I love that guy. I’ve gotta get sound clips of that guy. Only I understand this.

Peter: Yeah. ([laughs]) Dumbass.

Scott: Which only I understand.

Peter: ([sighs])

Scott: Oh, that’s great. Okay, what else do you got? What else you been up to lately? Anything good?

Peter: Um, so-

Scott: Have you… How’s your Scratching your Itching going?

Peter: Scratch Itch Software right now, everything is available as a free beta at scratchitchsoftware.com.

Scott: Hold on.

Peter: So-

Scott: I’m gonna pull that up and I’m gonna share.

Peter: Please do.

Scott: I’m trying. If I was smarter… Okay. Oh, nope, that’s the wrong one. That’s OBS. Oh, it looks like Chrome. That’s why. ([laughs]) Window. Scratch Itch Software share. There. Do you see my Scratch Itch Software?

Peter: I do. There you go. Um-

Scott: This is Peter’s… This is Peter’s-

Peter: Yep

Scott: … by the way. All, everything here is Peter.

Peter: Yep. So you’ve got, you’ve got AcrossKM, which is your keyboard, mouse sharing-

Scott: Yep

Peter: … um, across multiple Macs or Windows machines or, uh-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … coming soon, Linux. You have CmdTab, which is my lighter, simpler replacement for Alt+Tab, uh, on, uh-

Scott: Mm-hmm. It’s beautiful, by the way

Peter: … macOS 10. You’ve got fnMute, which is my replacement for Shush. It’s sometimes you just wanna fnMute your com- you know, your computer, your microphone, and that’s what this one does.

Scott: Sometimes you just wanna say a ducking… Sometimes you don’t wanna say a ducking word.

Peter: Say a ducking word, right.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: You’ve got Olympus, which is my S3 bucket mounter-

Scott: Oh

Peter: … for Windows and Mac. And-

Scott: Figure I’ve-

Peter: Yep. Yep

Scott: … always said I’m disturbed by when people mount their buckets. ([laughs])

Peter: You should mount your buckets.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: Um, we have MoonPhase, which is not in beta. That’s just a free program.

Scott: Yep.

Peter: It’s Windows, Linux, Mac. It just shows the phase of the moon either in your menu bar or your system tray depending what operating system you’re running. You-

Scott: I’m surprised you don’t have a retrograde… What’s it called? What would it be called?

Peter: Mercury retrograde, yes.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: I have toyed with the idea of adding other celestial events to it, and I just haven’t gotten to that yet because there’s so much going on at all times, you know? It could be like astrology watch, right?

Scott: Oh, God. Don’t, don’t do that.

Peter: Um, but this is, this is more of a astronomy watch, right?

Scott: Yes.

Peter: So-

Scott: Real

Peter: … so I, I might put in something like what planets or what, you know, prominent stars you can see in the night as well. But for right now, it just shows the phase of the moon. It does tell you the percentages. It tells you when, like, a full moon, a new moon, harvest moon, blue moon, hunter’s moon, you know, when all those are coming. It’ll give you that little heads-up.

Scott: Hunter’s moon. I didn’t even know about that one. I guess I’m not a hunter.

Peter: Look it up. Ap- apparently not. iCloudWatch-

Scott: Mm-hmm

Peter: … is also free. It’s a graphical notification in the menu bar of what your iCloud files uploads are doing, similar to the OneDrive or Dropbox or Google Drive notification.

Scott: That is cool.

Peter: Um, HostBar. Scott, why don’t you tell us about HostBar? ’Cause I know you-

Scott: I love HostBar

Peter: … you actually like it. What does HostBar do?

Scott: Yeah. HostBar, it started off as just saying the name of the host in there, which is good if you’re remoting into things. But now it gives you the host name, and then when you click on it, it gives you the public IP. It gives you your Tailscale address if you have one. It gives you your Tailscale device ID if you have one. It gives you your Ethernet connection if you have one. It gives you all your, uh, network connections.

Peter: All your network interfaces, yes.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: I was gonna say-

Scott: And it’s great

Peter: … you could shortcut that and just say it does all your network interfaces. ([laughs])

Scott: Yeah, and by the way-

Peter: If you-

Scott: … if you click on any of these, it copies just the number part of that to the clipboard. Just the-

Peter: Yep

Scott: … value part of it, I should say, because, like in the case of host name, it’ll copy that. Public IP, it’ll copy that. It’s great. It’s beautiful. And- As with all of Peter’s apps, it auto-updates. So if Peter publishes an update, you’ll be the first to get… If Peter… Let me put it this way, if Peter becomes a supply chain attack, you’ll be the first to get pwned.

Peter: ([laughs]) Beautiful. And I don’t know if you know, but w- Hostbar is also available for Windows, so…

Scott: Yeah. Uh, I need to reinstall it on Windows and see how it works on Windows right now. I, I did install it on my Windows, but when I was using it, I couldn’t get it to show me something, and I don’t remember what. I’ll reinstall it on Windows and see how it works.

Peter: Yep. It should-

Scott: Is it-

Peter: And, yeah?

Scott: Is it the same? Like, not-

Peter: It’s the same

Scott: … visually, but does it give all the same-

Peter: Exactly the same.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: ([laughs]) So, so, uh, one of my, one of my goals for all of these is whenever possible, you know, except maybe due to operating system limitations-

Scott: Mm-hmm

Peter: … I try to have feature parity across all the operating systems that I support.

Scott: I see.

Peter: So if something… If you can do something on Windows, you should be able to do it on Mac and vice versa, and Linux-

Scott: If you-

Peter: … when it’s included

Scott: … see something on Windows, say something on Windows.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: Bingo.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: Um, IceMelt. IceMelt is my fork of Ice by Jordan Baird, which is a menu bar manager for macOS. It has been abandoned. Jordan… I even emailed Jordan and I told… You know, I sent him a thank you email, let him know that I was, you know, forking it. Never got a response. And, uh-

Scott: Oh, you did get a response. It, it just wasn’t written. It was, “God, I’m hungover.” ([laughs])

Peter: I mean, you know, who knows? Something might have happened to the guy. He might have just-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … like, decided to go and become a florist.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: You know, who knows? So he’s, he’s abandoned that project. I’ve picked it up. Modernized it so it runs on Tahoe. Next week I’ll probably work on, you know, Golden Gate compatibility ’cause I’m not going with the, the beta anytime soon. But-

Scott: Yeah. I, I will… Yes. This is a hard problem to solve and you will… This is… If any of your programs are ever gonna constantly be having bug fist… Bug fist? Bug fix-

Peter: Bug fists

Scott: … requests. Bug fist. It will be this one.

Peter: CmdTab bug.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: Yeah, but the thing is IceMelt is, it’s open source, right? So people, if you’re, if you really feel passionate about it, dig into the source code. Propose… You know, send me a PR, et cetera.

Scott: Well-

Peter: So I’ve had a couple of actual… Some feedback. I’ve noticed a number of people have starred my GitHub repository.

Scott: Mm.

Peter: And, um, today I just pushed a fix for the first, uh, user-submitted bug that came in.

Scott: Hmm.

Peter: Which coincidentally was something I experienced as well. I had… If, if I clicked on the IceMelt bar… And I use it… I have it set so that when you click on the Ice Met- Melt icon, the hidden icons show up as a secondary row.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: Right? So that way I don’t have to worry about them disappearing behind the notch when I’m using it-

Scott: Right

Peter: … on my native display.

Scott: And to me, that is the primary problem that a, any menu bar arranger app should solve, is the notch problem.

Peter: Yep. So I work around it. Literally, I work-

Scott: Yeah

Peter: … around the notch. ([laughs])

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: So someone pointed out, though, and I observed this too at the same time, was you clicked on… I clicked on it and on my big main display it was tiny. It was, like, half size.

Scott: Hmm.

Peter: And then subsequently I clicked on it on my built-in display and it was gargantuan.

Scott: ([laughs])

Peter: So IceMelt was scaling it for the wrong displays.

Scott: Yes. That’s-

Peter: And it was funny ’cause I encountered that issue-

Scott: … hard

Peter: … and then within, you know, within a day or so, someone filed that same bug report and I was like… So I reported it to Claude. I, I described the problem to my Claude. Claude f- put it in and it was like, “Someone else has already reported this.” I’m like, “Come again?” And I looked, and sure enough, a user had submitted this bug. I was like, “Thank this person and now call them out and let them know that we have fixed this bug.” ([laughs]) So-

Scott: Peter-

Peter: … that was pretty cool

Scott: … you need to make a 45-minute video showing how you prompted Claude to thank that person.

Peter: I’m gonna tell f- I’m gonna tell Claude, and then I’m gonna tell the guy that, you know, like, “Yes, the source is someone on GitHub sent me. ([laughs]) Sent me a bug report, dumbass.”

Scott: Dumbass. I’m sorry your, I’m sorry your pull request is s***. And I’m sorry mine is too.

Peter: Mine is too. Um, SPX Tracker, that one is a closed app. You have to contact me directly for it. It’s a very niche use case. Um, but it’s only gonna be available to a, a, a ser- a very small number of users out on the internet. So that one’s just there for a little bit of street cred. And then finally, ReadToMe. I might actually try this afternoon to see what happens to start getting this into the App Store, and I’m not encouraged by that indie software developer website you sent me. ([laughs])

Scott: Yeah. Oh, I gotta put a link to that in there.

Peter: You gotta put a link to that. But ReadToMe is my text-to-speech app for iOS. Right now it supports PDFs, and you can also copy and paste into it. So you can, you know, copy whatever’s on the clipboard or a website or something and paste it-

Scott: Mm-hmm

Peter: … into ReadToMe. It will use the stock iOS voices, which kind of suck. Or you can bring your own ElevenLabs or OpenAI API keys-

Scott: Yes

Peter: … and use their voices.

Scott: Yep.

Peter: That’s the thing. Now, this is gonna… You know, I’ve gotta think very carefully on how to explain this to people, ’cause that will kill the average user. The average user is not gonna know what an API key is and how-

Scott: Right

Peter: … to do that. So, you know, so it is skewed to someone a little more technical. But even in all my testing, right? I’ve been listening to these things constantly. I’m paying about 10 bucks a month in API key usages in OpenAI by us-

Scott: Oh

Peter: … while using this.

Scott: That’s high. Boy, you have been using that a lot.

Peter: Well, I’m testing. I’m constantly listening-

Scott: True

Peter: … to this thing.

Scott: Yeah, yeah.

Peter: I’m throwing PDF after PDF and stuff-

Scott: Yep

Peter: … and I’m falling behind on my podcasts and audiobooks as a result.

Scott: You’re not missing anything.

Peter: But… ([laughs]) Now, some of the, uh, audiobook I just read is actually pretty good, but I’m gonna talk about that on the Blurring the Lines podcast.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: But compared to what other AI native voice text-to-speech readers cost, I’m still saving money.

Scott: Oh.

Peter: ’Cause most of them are, like-

Scott: 100%

Peter: … 15, 20 bucks a month, and I’m paying-

Scott: Right

Peter: … significantly less than that

Scott: Yeah, and that’s the thing is, like, y- you’re correct that the BYOK thing is, the bring, the bring your own key thing is confusing to people, but it also makes the most sense. Like, with my dictation app, I’m spending cents per month for something that was well over $100 per year.

Peter: Yep.

Scott: So it was like $150, $120 per year. I don’t know. It was 10 bucks per month, let’s say.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Scott: I’m spending s- pennies per month, Peter.

Peter: Yep.

Scott: And I get to tweak it the way I want. Now, when I release it, people are gonna have to know how to plug in their keys, but also dictation apps… Okay, on the iPhone, not so much, but on the Mac, they’re being used by vibe coders like crazy. Those people are gonna know how to plug in an API key.

Peter: An appy key.

Scott: So… An appy key.

Peter: Yes.

Scott: So it’s great. So speaking of… I made it my cool site. There we go. Indiesimulator.com, that’s what it was. Now I should be able to just put this over here. There. Here we go. Okay. I have to be able to see this. This is what Peter was talking about, the indie developer simulator.

Peter: ([laughs]) It’s great.

Scott: Pay $99, join the program. Your membership is active. It expires in 365 days. Verifying identity. iPhone Duo announced. Pre-order. Not by you. Your app will be tested on it, not by you. I love that.

Peter: ([laughs])

Scott: Okay, and here’s a genre. You’re supposed to pick a genre for your app, so what do you want, Peter?

Peter: Um, let’s see.

Scott: And, and look how many competitors each of these has. Notes, 67,390 competitors.

Peter: Yep. My app is… Wait, I guess it’s the opposite of dictation. Scroll down a little further.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: Podcast player, RSS read… Ah, I don’t know, man. I think it’s the opposite of dictation, so let’s choose dictation.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: ’Cause what, what’s better than choosing the polar opposite of what you do?

Scott: Dictation. It types what users say. Users say comma. It types comma. ([laughs]) It doesn’t type a comma, it types comma. Oh. Name your nap. Name your app. What wa- what was that coffee called? I’m trying to remember.

Peter: Major Dickason’s.

Scott: Dickason’s. Dictationison’s. Okay. Check availability. Taken. The owner would sell for $4,000. The owner is 16 and needs to ask his mother.

Peter: Oh, man.

Scott: Rejected.

Peter: ([laughs]) Yeah, c- so I need… I played with a few of these, but does this ever go past rejected?

Scott: Yes. I have gotten past here, and I don’t remember how I did it. I typed in a bunch of random characters. Taken by a Chinese factory that also makes the case for your phone. I don’t know what I did to get past here. Anyway, people can come… I’ll put a link in the description and people can come find this website. It’s, it’s great. It’s the best. It’s one of the best. It’s a website.

Peter: ([laughs])

Scott: All right, Peter, I think that might be it for today ’cause I’ve got some AI agents that I really need to make some Ruby gems now that I know that that’s a thing that can be done. I’m sure there’s some Portland or Beaverton City meeting notes that need to be published. ([laughs]) Hey, maybe I’ll put them in the Python community this time. The Ruby one’s getting all the love. I don’t know.

Peter: Sure, why not? ([laughs])

Scott: What do, what do you have to say to the people?

Peter: I’m sorry your podcast is s***. I’m sorry mine is, too. ([laughs])

Scott: I’m sorry your software is s***, and I’m sorry mine is, too. All right, people. You can find us at friendswithbrews.com. You can ask your local agent how to find that. You can search for things on there. You can click on things on there. You can follow us on things on there. You can watch us on YouTube, which is presumably where you’re watching us if you’re watching us. If you’re not watching us, you might be listening to us, um, but you should really watch us ’cause I don’t give a s*** about the audio podcast anymore. Wait, did I say that out loud? ([laughs]) Peter, how can people find you on the internet besides scratchitchsoftware.com?

Peter: Start at pn72.com, and from there you will find links to my yoga training s- offering, offerings, yogawithpeter.com. And now, tomorrow will be my first class teaching officially as part of yogawithhollandandpeter.com.

Scott: Nice.

Peter: My yin yoga teacher, Holland Sweeney, and I are teaming up, and we’re tag teaming. So tomorrow will be my first day-

Scott: Nice

Peter: … uh, teaching on yogawithhollandandpeter.com. You can sign up, take the class live at 10:30 AM Eastern tomorrow, or you can get the recording for a week. So we’ll leave it up there, so if you can’t attend live tomorrow, I encourage you to attend virtually, remotely tomorrow at a schedule, you know, as your schedule allows. So yeah, you can find me there. You can find me at peterruns.com, peterdrinkscoffee.com, obviously friendswithbrews.com. Shout out to Adam Bell at blurringthelinespodcast.com.

Scott: Shout out.

Peter: You can find me all over the place, so yeah, that’s that. That’s where you can find me. Whew. I’m tired already just saying all of those things.

Scott: I’m tired just thinking about it. I’m tired just watching you run. That’s what I’m tired from.

Peter: Peter Runs. Yeah. ([laughs])

Scott: Peter Runs. All right. You can find me at scottwillsey.com, and I don’t care where else you find me or if you don’t find me. All right, Peter, thank you as always. This was fun, and I will have my trusty totally human editor edit this. ([laughs])

Peter: I’m sure you will. ([laughs])

Scott: All right. Don’t forget, people.

Peter: Tell your friends. Tell your friends.

Scott: Now I gotta learn how to click stop. ([laughs])