Episode 13 – Professional Podcasting

Scott: Friends with Beer!

Scott: This is our happy little go lucky tune.

Scott: Peter doesn’t like it.

Scott: He’s shaking his fist.

Peter: Weirdest.

Scott: You’re shaking your face.

Peter: That was the weirdest opening theme we ever had, Adam.

Adam: You don’t like ukuleles?

Scott: No, I played that last time.

Scott: Last time we recorded together, I played that exact same one.

Peter: Yeah, it was weird then too.

Scott: But you just said it was the weirdest one we’ve ever had.

Scott: So you’re saying that it’s even weirder now.

Scott: No, you’re saying it’s weirder now than it was last time.

Peter: It is definitely weirder now because there are three of us, and normally there are two.

Scott: So what you’re saying is when it’s you and me, you don’t care, but when real friends are present, you get embarrassed.

Peter: Yes.

Peter: It’s more than just tens of listeners.

Peter: Now we’re talking like professional podcasting.

Scott: Adam, the co-host of your professional podcast is with you now, and now you feel sheepish about your extracurricular activities.

Peter: Exactly.

Scott: Well, whatever.

Scott: Adam needs to know the truth about you, Peter, at this time.

Peter: I think Adam knows the truth about me.

Peter: So, dear listener, if you’re listening to this trainwreck of a podcast, you might have wondered, like, did I just stumble into the Blurring the Lines podcast again?

Peter: No.

Peter: No, you didn’t.

Peter: But, you know, after you’ve drunk enough beers with your friends, then maybe things start to get a little blurry, just like this podcast.

Scott: So when you say trainwreck of a podcast, don’t just send up review titles for people to put into Apple Podcasts, Peter.

Peter: Trainwreck of a podcast.

Peter: I thought that was the episode title.

Scott: It’s going to be now.

Peter: You know, we have to beat them to the punch.

Peter: Get out in front.

Peter: This is a trainwreck.

Peter: And they’re like, this is a wait.

Scott: Speaking of beating things to the punch, let’s hold up our punches.

Scott: Let’s all go around and talk about what we’re going to drink here.

Peter: You first, Scott.

Peter: No, wait, wait.

Peter: Guests first.

Peter: You first, Adam.

Scott: Right.

Scott: Adam first.

Scott: He’s already getting ready.

Scott: Look at that.

Adam: So today, I have Tennessee Brew Works Local Nashville Brewery Walk the Lime Wheat Ale.

Scott: That guy looks serious.

Scott: Hold that up again.

Adam: So it is a very fun summer ale.

Adam: So if you’ve ever drank a Bud Light Lime and you wished it were better, you wished it was good, you wished it was good, then this is it, because it’s a very tasty, refreshing wheat ale, and I don’t have a headache after the second beer.

Peter: So I think what I just heard was, if you’ve ever drank a Bud Light Lime, you wished it was better, you wished it was good.

Adam: Then this is your beer.

Adam: Then I put it in my UT Coozie, so that it stays refreshingly cold.

Scott: Nice.

Peter: Crisp.

Peter: How about you, Scott?

Scott: I have a different one this time.

Scott: Where’s my camera?

Scott: I have a…

Scott: What is the name of this brewery?

Scott: Oh my God, I’m failing.

Peter: Oh my God, what?

Scott: Groundbreaker Brewing, and it’s called Olali, and it’s a blackberry and rosehip ale, and it’s gluten free.

Scott: It’s a very fruity drink, and I wouldn’t drink this all the time, but I do like these.

Scott: These are good.

Scott: It’s really quite good.

Scott: It’s better than a lot of the lager-type drinks I’ve had, for example.

Scott: I would rather reach for this than a standard generic lager, for example.

Peter: And where is this brewery?

Scott: Why you ask such questions?

Scott: I don’t know.

Scott: Portland-ish?

Scott: Portland.

Peter: Okay, but it’s local, so you’re also drinking a local beer.

Peter: I am as well drinking a local beer.

Peter: Today, I have Thresh, a New England pale lager from Fox Farm Brewery and Trillium Brewing Company, which is down in Canton.

Peter: So all of these are local.

Peter: We’re all drinking local beers.

Peter: And this was a gift.

Peter: A friend of mine went to a work conference, and they were required, they were at Trillium Brewing, and they were required to spend $3,000, and they didn’t.

Peter: So they made up for all that by buying cases of beer and taking them home.

Scott: Look at the color on that.

Adam: Yes.

Adam: Yeah, that is a pretty brew.

Scott: I have to go wash my hand now, though, because when I opened it, I got doused.

Peter: Well, you go do that, and Adam and I will talk as if you were never here.

Scott: Most people normally do.

Adam: Without looking it up on Google, what are rose hips?

Adam: I imagine the rose hips are the rounded part of the rose because hips are round, but what is a rose hip?

Peter: I think that’s what they are.

Peter: It’s definitely from the rose.

Peter: Is it the same as the rose petal?

Peter: I don’t know, but it’s a part of the rose.

Adam: Yeah, which would be the rose petal, but the outside of the plant.

Peter: Google has the answer.

Adam: Google does have the answer.

Adam: We guessed.

Adam: Let’s find out what the answer is.

Peter: What am I, a botanist?

Peter: I mean, come on.

Peter: What is a rose hip?

Peter: I don’t know if you noticed, though.

Peter: I said this is a New England pale logger, but I actually like it.

Peter: It’s not an IPA.

Peter: It’s like an NEPL, a nipple.

Scott: Careful, careful, careful.

Scott: Don’t be sucking on a nipple in here, Peter.

Peter: It’s a nipple.

Peter: I haven’t even had anything to drink yet.

Peter: So anyway, yeah, I’m drinking this.

Peter: I had a couple of these the other night, and they were pretty good.

Peter: I’m going to be sucking down a nipple.

Peter: It’s actually pretty good.

Peter: It’s not super hoppy, not super bitter, and it is a logger.

Scott: Nice.

Adam: Very good.

Adam: So it is not what you or I thought it was, and I still am not clear.

Scott: I don’t know what it is.

Peter: It’s not what we thought it was, but I still don’t know what it is.

Scott: So Peter’s obsessed with nipples.

Scott: You’re obsessed with hips.

Scott: Let’s see.

Scott: What is a rosehip?

Adam: I want to know what a rosehip is.

Scott: It’s some kind of plant, but…

Adam: I thought it was part of a rose, but it is not.

Adam: Or also a rose…

Adam: Well, Wikipedia, so it must be true.

Adam: Rosehip, rosehip or rosehaw or rosehip.

Adam: Excess fruit.

Scott: Yeah, it’s part of a rose plant, but it’s not the part of the rose plant that anybody ever looks at.

Adam: So it’s an accessory fruit of various species of the rose plant.

Adam: It’s typically red to orange, changes from purple to black in some species.

Adam: Rosehips begin to form after pollination or the flowers in the spring and early summer.

Scott: How are you doing with your nipple over there, Peter?

Peter: It’s yummy.

Adam: It looks like a fruit.

Adam: I mean, kind of like a elderberry or something.

Scott: So yeah, this is a very fruity tasting drink, but I’m okay with that.

Scott: It’s not too sweet.

Scott: You wouldn’t want to down a gallon of this stuff at once.

Scott: I imagine this boosts the blood sugar quite a bit.

Adam: Do we have a toast?

Scott: Absolutely.

Peter: To Friends with Beer.

Adam: Friends with Beer.

Adam: Salute.

Adam: Health, wealth, family and a time to enjoy it.

Peter: I like that.

Scott: I’m semi-healthy and I’m pretty healthy.

Scott: Actually, I’m way more healthy than I was last time I talked to Peter.

Scott: And wealthy, not doing too good on that front.

Scott: My daughter is going to be really disappointed when she goes to college and figures out that she can attend approximately the first quarter of the first quarter before she has to turn around and come home.

Adam: It’ll actually take them a whole other quarter of a quarter to find out you haven’t paid, so she’ll get a half a semester in.

Scott: Brilliant!

Scott: What more does she need?

Peter: She’s got a point.

Peter: It does take them a while to catch on.

Peter: Education tends to move pretty slowly.

Adam: You were going to have to give that education back.

Adam: You didn’t pay for that.

Scott: That’s right, yeah.

Scott: Give us your brain.

Scott: Yeah, that…

Scott: I just wrote a dystopian novel there.

Scott: They come back after the brain.

Peter: So what are we talking about today?

Scott: Well, you…

Scott: Oh my god, you just let us right back into another nipple thing.

Scott: Peter wanted to talk about Janet Jackson.

Peter: That was not the song that this was about.

Scott: This isn’t about a wardrobe malfunction.

Scott: This is about a computer malfunction.

Peter: This was.

Peter: Yeah, so I think it was Microsoft today announced a CVE for Janet Jackson’s song Rhythm Nation.

Peter: Because some researchers found out that if you play the song on one laptop in close proximity to another laptop running a magnetic hard drive spinning at 5400 RPM, it can cause that machine to crash.

Scott: This seems like a very niche use case, may I say.

Peter: Yeah, but dude, you can crash a computer by playing a music song or a video.

Scott: Can I just throw it out there that if somebody is still using a laptop with a 5400 RPM hard drive, it’s probably crashing itself already and or they deserve for it to be crashing.

Peter: I’m not saying you’re wrong.

Adam: So how did DJs play Janet Jackson through the 90s?

Adam: Because they were on 5400.

Adam: I mean, they had to be crashing.

Peter: Were they laptops?

Peter: I mean, no, back in the 90s, they were playing it off CD.

Scott: They probably only had one laptop.

Scott: They weren’t putting their laptops up.

Adam: They didn’t have another one to mess with.

Scott: Or they were separated by a giant mixer or something.

Peter: So I thought that was pretty funny.

Peter: I thought that was pretty funny.

Adam: The Rhythm Nation bug.

Adam: That’s what I called it.

Adam: Yep.

Scott: Yeah, the register was really snarky about it.

Scott: They said no one listens to Jackson anymore.

Scott: I don’t know if that’s true.

Scott: I have some friends that listen to some pretty weird stuff.

Adam: Spotify would probably disagree with that.

Adam: And now they can be completely quantified.

Peter: Exactly.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: How many times has Rhythm Nation played throughout the United States?

Adam: We don’t know.

Peter: Yes, we do know.

Peter: No, when you say you don’t know, you mean I didn’t look.

Adam: Yeah, I didn’t look.

Adam: That’s it.

Scott: Are you guys saying there’s a Spotify control panel now that shows you these kinds of statistics?

Peter: No, but I’m sure Spotify has that info.

Scott: Yeah, I’m sure Spotify does.

Scott: I would hope so.

Adam: And then Google does too, if Spotify has it.

Peter: No, I’m sure everybody knows.

Peter: Everyone except us, the ones who are actually, you know, curious.

Scott: So do you have any links on that?

Scott: You don’t have the link for that article.

Scott: It’s not in the show notes.

Peter: Well, I didn’t put anything in the show notes.

Scott: I have the show notes.

Scott: Put it in there.

Scott: Don’t put it in the chat.

Peter: I will.

Peter: I said I’m going to do that.

Scott: Don’t fail me.

Scott: Don’t tase me, bro.

Peter: You need to be tased, mister.

Peter: You need to be tased with some marijuana or something.

Peter: So you’re like, oh my God, I got to lie down and relax.

Scott: I think I told you this story.

Scott: I’ve only had marijuana once in my life, and I also had been drinking way too much beer at the time.

Scott: It didn’t make me calm.

Scott: It didn’t make me want to lie down.

Scott: I did dangerous things.

Scott: I’m actually lucky I made it.

Scott: Thanks to some people that were reeling me back in off the trunk of the moving car, et cetera, et cetera.

Scott: I’m kind of lucky I’m still alive, honestly.

Scott: I don’t recommend it.

Scott: I never recommended it anyway.

Scott: Why I did it is beyond me, but anyway, I don’t recommend it in general.

Scott: Don’t do it.

Peter: Did it make you paranoid?

Scott: No, I wasn’t paranoid.

Scott: If I was paranoid, I wouldn’t have done the things I did.

Scott: I needed to be paranoid.

Peter: So for me, my experience with marijuana was up until last week limited to one time.

Peter: It was second hand.

Peter: I was sitting in a car with a guy who pulled out a little pipe and lit up and that stuff was strong.

Scott: Was he in the driver’s seat?

Peter: He was.

Peter: The car was not moving.

Peter: So there was that time.

Peter: I also dated a girl a few years ago who smoked a lot.

Peter: I never partook, but you know, there was some secondhand stuff, but I never felt anything there.

Scott: That seems like a deal breaker.

Peter: Although the other night, I was having a couple of beers.

Peter: It was this exact same New England Thresh beer, and I was drinking out of a can, and I had finished one of them, and I set it down, and I was working on the second, and I set it down.

Peter: At some point, I turned back, and I reached, and I grabbed the wrong can, which had a little bit of something in it, and I took a swig and realized that my friend, who had been smoking a joint, had taken it and dropped it into the can, out of which I took a swig.

Scott: Peter, if you want ingestibles, there’s brownies for that.

Scott: You don’t have to…

Peter: I know, but you know what?

Peter: I prefer it this way, because now I still don’t have any desire to go back and experiment with this.

Adam: Yeah, well, so my brother-in-law, I mean, I spoke a little bit in college, and it wasn’t my thing.

Adam: I don’t like doing anything that makes my brain function less.

Adam: Yeah, I know that alcohol is a depressant, but I don’t feel dumber after having drank a beer.

Adam: So sometimes smoking pot, I’m like, I don’t have any ideas.

Adam: I don’t want anything that does that to me.

Adam: So I kind of forgot the point of that.

Scott: No, that is a good point in and of itself.

Adam: Oh, I know.

Adam: So my brother-in-law and I were in South Carolina, and we got a rental car, and we opened the trunk, and it smells like a skunk.

Adam: Like, oh, man, this car has been skunked.

Adam: Like, we’re going to have to take it back.

Adam: And then we get in the car, and it wasn’t skunk.

Adam: It was pot.

Adam: The people who had been in it before, and it was so nauseous-inducing.

Adam: It’s like, we need to take this back.

Adam: He didn’t take it back.

Adam: I was like, did you at least tell them that it wasn’t you that smoked pot in this car, that it stunk like that ahead of time?

Adam: No, I didn’t.

Adam: I’m like, well, if you get a cleaning fee, that’s on you, bro.

Scott: I guess what I’m wondering is how they failed to notice that when the other person returned it.

Adam: They must not have cared.

Scott: Some lazy kid.

Peter: So I got a question for you guys.

Peter: How’s your cholesterol level?

Scott: Fine.

Adam: Mine is only, I mean, and it’s genetic.

Adam: Mine has been on the border of high for 20 years.

Adam: Sometimes it’s my fault if I’m doing a lot of high cholesterol burgers or steak, you know, lots of steak, lots of roast beef.

Adam: Generally speaking, I tend towards turkey and chicken and keep my cholesterol there.

Adam: But I’m sure I’m on the right at the border of like, maybe you need a Lipitor, but I’m not like, if the number is 100, I’d be like 101, 102, not like 187.

Peter: For me, the border is 130.

Peter: And I usually would be like in the 130s.

Peter: And this time, like, so last, what, in May or so, it was tested, and I was around 130.

Peter: And last year around this time, it was high.

Peter: It was around in the 160s.

Peter: And yesterday, it was also in the 160s.

Adam: It’s because you’re so fat, Peter.

Scott: Yeah, you gotta get some exercise.

Scott: You haven’t been running enough.

Peter: Tell me about it.

Peter: So I’m actually watching my cholesterol now.

Peter: For the first time, like, I’m actually paying attention to it.

Peter: And one of the ways I’m doing it, Scott, at your recommendation, I did recently, as we have discussed, I switched from MyFitnessPal to FoodNombs.

Scott: Oh no, now I have to put another link in.

Peter: Yep, FoodNombs.

Peter: And I am using the Apple Watch widget to track my cholesterol intake for the day.

Peter: One thing I did do is I opened up my Apple Health app, and I said, what is my dietary cholesterol average for the last year?

Peter: And my intake, according to Apple, is about 450 mg per day.

Peter: FoodNombs, based on the goals that I set, and I did not talk about cholesterol, I didn’t look at it, so I am assuming it is using a default for a guy, my age, weight, etc.

Peter: said that my goal should be more along the lines of 300 mg per day.

Peter: I have been going over by about 50% per day on average.

Peter: So I am now making a conscious decision to change that.

Peter: I am about to cancel my Walden local meat share delivery, because it looks like I can’t just get chicken from them.

Peter: It looks like I have to get like chicken and beef or beef and pork or chicken and pork or something.

Scott: I thought you were going to say you were going to cancel your cholesterol of the week club.

Peter: I did.

Peter: I did just say that.

Peter: Now, are you not listening?

Peter: That’s exactly what I said.

Peter: But I have been eating, you know, not it doesn’t feel like as much recently, but I definitely know, you know, like I’ve been eating a lot of steaks, a lot of burgers.

Peter: And, you know, like the day before this test, not as much hot wings, but the day before this test, my running buddy and I were at a barbecue place.

Peter: And, you know, I had a thing of burnt ends and stuff.

Peter: So I was like, all right, maybe it’s time to rain this down.

Peter: I can control it.

Peter: I’ve definitely gone through phases where it has been lower.

Peter: It’s always been a little high, but it hasn’t been like 30% too high.

Scott: Peter, just because you can walk into the restroom at the restaurant and pull your shirt up and see those chisel labs, doesn’t mean that you have to go back out and eat every burger in sight.

Peter: Yeah, but you see, in my twisted mind, it kind of does.

Scott: Exactly.

Scott: Oh, I would too.

Scott: Believe me, I’d be going, I deserve a reward for this.

Peter: Exactly.

Scott: And that’s why I can’t see my chisel labs anymore.

Peter: So yeah.

Adam: Burgers aren’t a temptation for me.

Adam: Steak is a temptation.

Peter: You haven’t had the right burger.

Peter: Well, no, I like it.

Scott: I have a friend that eats fast food burgers, and I consider those to be a total waste of calories.

Scott: But a good custom-made burger at a nice restaurant where they make their own and that kind of stuff, there can be some pretty good burgers out there.

Scott: But yeah, even with those, I’m with you.

Scott: I still don’t eat a lot of them.

Scott: And mostly it’s just because it has to be worth the calories, et cetera, et cetera.

Adam: But yeah.

Adam: I do enjoy a burger.

Adam: It’s just like, well, it’s so many calories, like Scott said.

Adam: I don’t feel as good when I pound a bunch of cholesterol.

Adam: I mean, I don’t feel bad.

Adam: I just don’t feel as good.

Scott: Yeah, for sure.

Scott: For sure.

Scott: It makes a difference.

Scott: It’s amazing.

Scott: I feel way more sluggish when I eat that kind of stuff.

Scott: And I don’t want that on a routine basis.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: But if I eat a burger once a week, I’m okay with that.

Adam: But I don’t even eat one that often, but it’s more like a…

Peter: Right.

Peter: Well, there were times, it was about a month ago or so, I went over to my running buddies place after…

Peter: And one day it wasn’t even on a run day.

Peter: It was just an afternoon.

Peter: We didn’t run.

Peter: We each ate a pound of burgers.

Scott: What’s this guy’s name?

Scott: Who is this?

Scott: Greg is my running buddy.

Peter: Oh, look, Walden now has let me actually modify it so it’s just chicken.

Peter: And fish.

Peter: I also added sustainable local fish as well.

Scott: Man, we hadn’t even gotten this published yet, and they’re already reacting to your feedback.

Adam: But I have added fish oil to my daily supplement.

Adam: I know that fish oil is one of the healthy cholesterol that you’re supposed to have, and they were constantly telling me, well, you need to get rid of these bad cholesterol and add these good cholesterol.

Adam: And I’m like, well, I’m not going to change my diet significantly, so I’m just going to add these good cholesterol.

Scott: I hope it makes up for it.

Peter: I’m just going to add in.

Adam: I’m just going to add in.

Peter: Well, it’s the thing, though, is if you add the right stuff in, then it will edge out the bad stuff.

Peter: If you’re loading up on a bowl of…

Scott: Yeah, the ratio was…

Peter: Yeah, it depends.

Peter: I mean, if you’re loading up on five bowls of oatmeal, you’re not going to have any room for a hamburger later.

Scott: Well, maybe.

Scott: You’re still taking in the bad cholesterol if all you’re doing is increasing the good cholesterol with it.

Peter: Right, but what I’m saying is you stuff yourself full of so much food, you don’t have room to eat the hamburger.

Scott: I’m not sure that’s what he’s saying.

Scott: I don’t think that’s how it works.

Peter: That’s what I’m…

Peter: But that is, it can work that way.

Scott: Yes, can, in your mythical unicorn land.

Scott: Yeah, it’s like when my wife makes something really calorie heavy, and I won’t call it junk food because she doesn’t make junk food, but it’s like that, right?

Scott: It’s not…

Scott: It’s a lot of calories, and it’s stuff that you wouldn’t want to eat every day, every meal, for sure.

Scott: And then she makes a salad to go with it, to make up for it.

Scott: I’m like, it doesn’t…

Scott: No, because…

Peter: When my parents were on…

Peter: I did the Metafast diet back in 2008, and either 2009 or 2010, I got my parents to do it, and they were on it briefly.

Peter: They each dropped like 50 pounds, and they were doing great, and then they started to just, you know, get sloppy, and my dad was like, Oh, yeah, I take the chili packets.

Peter: You know, it’s like a little packet like the size of a packet of hot chocolate, but that was instant chili.

Scott: Are these astronaut diets or something?

Peter: Something like that.

Peter: So you take that, and you just like, you know, microwave it or add some hot water to it.

Peter: And then my dad was like, Yeah, I do that.

Peter: And then I open up a can of beans and add it in, and I was just like…

Adam: I had a pound of beef.

Peter: Yeah, exactly.

Scott: See, this is why Adam is absolutely correct.

Scott: You can’t just go to a drastic diet, because this happens every time.

Scott: When you try to switch back to normal, it’s always a diet that you cannot sustain forever, nor should you if you want to remain healthy.

Scott: And when you switch back to normal, most people can’t switch back to normal in a healthy way.

Scott: They switch back to what they were doing previously.

Peter: That is most people.

Peter: I am thankfully the exception to that, because I did leave that diet, but I maintained a healthier lifestyle.

Peter: As a result, I got more active and I cut out a lot of desserts and sugary things like that.

Peter: But I will admit that over the last few months, too, especially I’ve been on the I can eat anything I want diet, because I’m running.

Peter: I’m a runner.

Scott: That doesn’t work for me at all, not even in the short term.

Peter: It works for me with the exception of my cholesterol.

Scott: I mean, when I was a young man, I could do that all day long.

Scott: I could eat whatever I wanted.

Scott: I could right before bed, I could stuff my face with a cookie and a big gulp and go to sleep.

Scott: I could eat, you know, I could eat anything I wanted anytime, and I could out exercise it.

Scott: I haven’t been able to out exercise anything in a long time.

Peter: Yeah, I was never able to out exercise anything I wanted to.

Peter: But I’ve, you know, lately, I’ve been able to control it.

Peter: But sometimes I’ve just gone nuts.

Peter: So, but anyway, there you go.

Scott: Let’s psychoanalyze you here.

Scott: What’s the emotional trauma behind your burger craving?

Scott: Why are you going on this burger spree lately?

Scott: Or this everything I can eat I want, everything I see I want?

Peter: Because it’s fun.

Scott: Yeah, it’s fun, but it’s not like you.

Scott: Like, what happened to you?

Peter: Well, no, it’s because I’m, like, I’m hungry and I’m exercising a lot, therefore I can’t.

Scott: That is true.

Scott: That’s why when you exercise, you have to track your diet and your calories.

Scott: I, for sure, will eat way more calories than I burnt because I feel that hungry.

Scott: And I keep telling friends who exercise and they can’t figure out why they’re still gaining weight.

Scott: I can tell them exactly why they’re gaining weight, but they don’t want to hear it.

Peter: They don’t want to hear it.

Peter: Oh, no, I ran.

Peter: I’m fine.

Scott: Like, yeah.

Peter: Well, on a day like tomorrow, I will probably break even.

Peter: So tomorrow I’ve got my…

Peter: If all goes well, the plan.

Peter: Tomorrow is my longest run ever.

Peter: I will be running more than a marathon tomorrow.

Scott: More than a marathon.

Scott: That’s the name of the show.

Peter: More than a marathon.

Peter: 27…

Peter: More than a marathon train wreck.

Peter: So, no, I have a…

Peter: I have a 27-mile trail run tomorrow, which is going to be interesting.

Scott: That sounds painful.

Peter: But I’ve noticed that my tendency to, like, want…

Peter: Like, I’ve gotten back from some of these long runs and have not been famished, you know, like I used to be, because I used to not really eat while I was running.

Peter: I would go eat a small snack at around 10 miles or so and then eat something, and then I’d be like, oh my god, eat a whole pizza.

Scott: You’d catch a small furry animal at 10 miles in.

Peter: You’d laugh.

Peter: You’d be surprised at the kind of things people would do.

Scott: So remind me again, when is your actual trail run?

Scott: Your 50K?

Peter: The 25th.

Peter: 25th of next month.

Peter: So it’s just over a month away.

Scott: I want to be, I’m either going to remain unconscious all day in honor of you, or I’m going to, I don’t know what I’m going to do.

Scott: I want to send out good vibes.

Adam: What day did you say it was?

Peter: September 25th.

Adam: I will even be in town.

Peter: Yep.

Scott: Okay, you guys, I busted it out.

Scott: This one is Ex Novo.

Scott: This is called the most interesting lager in the world, and it’s a Mexican style lager.

Scott: I can’t remember.

Scott: I thought I’d had this on this podcast before, but when I went back to look…

Peter: No.

Peter: Oh, I would remember that, because I would remember if…

Peter: So you don’t usually drink Mexican lagers, but when you do, you prefer the most interesting lager in the world.

Scott: I absolutely prefer the most interesting lager in the world.

Scott: And I wouldn’t say that it lives up to its name 100%, but it is good.

Scott: I’m finding that I like Ex Novo products pretty well.

Scott: Ex Novo.

Adam: And a funny thing was, you know, Amber Cerveza is a…

Adam: We’re going to give a little education piece here.

Adam: Amber Cerveza is a specific ale with a specific yeast, which makes it a Cerveza.

Adam: So it’s got to have German ale yeast in it for it to be a Cerveza.

Adam: Because when the Europeans came to Mexico, they brought their ale yeast with them.

Adam: And hence the Cerveza came to be.

Adam: So I’ve got a friend and he says, why do you keep calling it a Cerveza?

Adam: Are you trying to show me your Spanish prowess?

Adam: I’m like, well, no, it’s a specific type of brew.

Adam: And then I told him the same story.

Scott: You’re not trying to show him your Spanish prowess.

Scott: You’re showing your beer prowess.

Peter: You actually have told that story on the Blurring the Lines Podcast.

Peter: I remember that.

Scott: I’m OK with good stories being recycled for this podcast.

Peter: Absolutely.

Peter: This one’s from The Vault.

Scott: Yeah, from The Vault.

Peter: So the problem I have now is I have a freezer that’s still full of beef and pork.

Adam: Oh, man.

Adam: Well, you’ve got to eat it in moderation.

Peter: Exactly.

Peter: Well, that’s the thing is I had been…

Peter: So here’s the thing, though.

Peter: I had been eating this stuff in moderation because I used to get my Walden delivery every month.

Peter: And then I would go through and still have food I hadn’t touched from the previous delivery.

Peter: So then I moved it to every other month.

Peter: And then I got the notice, hey, we’re about to send you something.

Peter: I’m like, whoa, whoa, whoa, time, time.

Peter: And I look and I still have a significant, like several pounds of meat in the freezer.

Peter: So I, you know, I have not been eating it down.

Scott: How many pounds are they sending you at a time?

Peter: About ten.

Scott: Ten pounds of meat at a time.

Scott: What is the frequency here?

Peter: Well, lately it’s been every other month, but I have been pausing it.

Scott: Oh, my God, Peter.

Scott: It’s not like you’re feeding a family or your neighbors moved in with you recently or something.

Peter: So ten pounds per month is divided by 30 is about five, six ounces a day.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: But right.

Peter: But the thing is, I’m not eating that, you know?

Scott: Right.

Peter: So that’s the thing is I haven’t been eating that.

Scott: That’s the thing.

Scott: We established that you don’t want to eat beef every day or pork.

Peter: And I haven’t, though.

Peter: But the thing is, I still have, like, ton of this stuff in the freezer.

Peter: So I have just changed it over to chicken, and I added two pounds of North Atlantic fish filets as well.

Peter: So we will see.

Peter: I don’t know when my next delivery is, but here’s a shout out to Walden Local.

Peter: waldenlocalmeat.com.

Peter: Good stuff.

Peter: Never got any bad food from it.

Peter: There have been some cuts that I’m like, I don’t know how to prepare this.

Peter: I better learn.

Peter: And that’s okay, because I like cooking.

Peter: So but they’ve always been, you know, pretty good stuff.

Peter: But my next thing is like a month after the marathon.

Peter: So hopefully I can survive that long and, you know, like eat through what I’ve got in the next two months.

Adam: I really wish I had a device that I could put in my meat and cook on the grill.

Adam: And it would tell me exactly when my meat was the temperature that I wanted it to be.

Peter: You know, Adam, that sounds like something we should, ah, son of a, someone already did that.

Peter: Geez.

Peter: Have we not talked about that on BTL?

Adam: Oh yeah, we have.

Adam: I’ve tried to buy one, but they won’t sell me one.

Peter: I have two.

Adam: You have two.

Adam: Yeah.

Peter: I have two and my running buddy got one as well.

Adam: I tried to buy the one that you had suggested with the extended base so that I could, you know, it would still keep going.

Adam: And I bought it on Amazon Prime Day.

Adam: They took the money.

Adam: Then a few days later, they said, sorry, this clip has been canceled.

Peter: Meter plus.

Scott: Why?

Scott: Why?

Scott: Why?

Peter: Because Adam’s cholesterol was too high.

Peter: That’s why.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: They are actually, maybe it was, needs to be higher so that they would, you know, like they send it to you.

Adam: So like, well, we’re gonna send him over the top.

Peter: Over the top.

Scott: Meter plus.

Scott: Okay.

Scott: I’m gonna put this in the show notes.

Peter: Meter.

Peter: So Adam has the meter plus.

Peter: I just have a meter.

Adam: Oh, no, I never received it.

Peter: Oh, sorry.

Scott: He just said they rejected him.

Peter: Adam ordered the meter plus.

Peter: Adam ordered the meter plus.

Peter: I ordered and received the meter.

Adam: So I need to try that again.

Adam: Cause I just, so I do Omaha steaks and I just got a freezer full of steaks.

Adam: And burgers and hot dogs.

Adam: Their hot dogs are really good.

Adam: They’re all beef hot dogs.

Peter: That’s cool.

Scott: Wait, who’s this?

Adam: Omaha Steak.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: I’ve been happy with my meter.

Peter: It works really well.

Peter: I even used it.

Peter: Like I made something in the slow cooker in the crock pot and I stuck it in there and stuff.

Peter: So it’s pretty slick.

Peter: I’m pretty happy.

Peter: It definitely has changed things.

Peter: Scott, you could use the meter in your pizza oven.

Scott: I have a, I have a, no I couldn’t.

Peter: You could not do that.

Peter: It would, it would melt.

Scott: Yeah, it would melt.

Scott: I have an appropriate thermometer that I can use from a distance.

Peter: Yes, yes.

Peter: All right, so what else have we got?

Peter: So we talked about cholesterol.

Peter: So Peter’s watching his cholesterol.

Peter: All of my other stats look great, by the way, by the way.

Peter: Oh, and thank you for, well, I can say thanks to Adam for this.

Peter: No, I can’t thank him for this.

Peter: He gave me some pointers.

Peter: I guess thank the CrossFit crew.

Peter: I don’t know whoever, whoever came up with the Murph exercise routine.

Peter: I like that.

Peter: I’m happy with that.

Adam: Good.

Peter: Failing like I should kind of, you know, like mix it up every now and then, but push-ups, pull-ups and squats, I’m, I’m happy.

Peter: I don’t do them all in one shot.

Peter: Sometimes I, like today, I did, I’ve done three sets of my push-ups and my squats, haven’t done any pull-ups yet, so I’ll do those later.

Peter: But I can feel and see the difference when I do, like when I do the pull-ups to failure, like my biceps are just like enormous after that.

Scott: Pull-ups to failure.

Scott: That sounds like one pull-up for me.

Peter: Pull-ups to fail.

Peter: Well, you know what?

Peter: You should try it.

Scott: Well, here’s the problem.

Scott: No, I was gonna say, I don’t even, I can’t even do push-ups anymore until I figure out what’s wrong with my shoulder.

Scott: So I have my 30,000 mile checkup or whatever in September, and it’s kind of hard to get into the doctor anyway, so I’m just waiting until then.

Scott: And when I do, I’ll find out, do I have a torn rotator cuff?

Scott: What’s going on here?

Scott: But I can’t do push-ups right now because if I do, the next day, I won’t be able to lift my arm.

Peter: Can you do a simple wall press without pain?

Scott: I can do like planks and stuff that involve me holding position, but if I do too many where my shoulder is getting pushed back and forth like that, then the answer is, yeah, I can probably do those without as much pain, but if I do them every day, I will have pain.

Scott: I can’t do, and I also, I have a big rotation issue, like when I’m doing a runner’s lunge, you know, doing a twist, simple twist, arm up in the air.

Scott: I have to rotate my arm inwards.

Peter: That sounds like rotator cuff issues.

Scott: Yeah, so can rotator cuff hurt down here?

Scott: Because this is where…

Peter: Oh, yeah, it can extend.

Scott: That’s where I have the most pain.

Scott: That’s where it hurts.

Scott: So I think I have a rotator cuff issue that I need to take care of before I can do that kind of stuff.

Adam: Are you sure it’s not TMB?

Scott: What’s a TMB?

Adam: Too many birthdays?

Scott: Well, there is that, but my other arm functions normally.

Scott: No, I did something.

Scott: It’s just I didn’t feel it.

Scott: It wasn’t like an event where I was like, oh, something happened.

Scott: It just gradually happened.

Scott: And then one day I was super sore and I couldn’t lift my arm above this high.

Scott: And it was really bad.

Scott: And then it went more back to now I’m just sore to where I can’t rotate in certain positions.

Scott: And like if I am going to work and I’m lifting my backpack across the passenger seat to throw it on the floor, I can’t do it with the right arm.

Scott: I have to do it with the left arm or it just kills.

Scott: I’ve always had shoulders that were prone to injury.

Scott: They’re very, very weak.

Peter: Yeah, a lot of people do.

Adam: Have you ever done any physical therapy on it?

Scott: Not yet.

Scott: I hope that my doctor will get me into physical therapy for it when I…

Peter: That’s usually where they want to start.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: You know, unless they’re a surgeon and they just like cutting things.

Scott: Yeah.

Adam: Don’t ask a surgeon.

Adam: You need surgery.

Scott: No, I’m going to I’m going to a GP first, and hopefully he’ll just recommend some physical therapy and I’ll do it.

Scott: I’m definitely going to do it because it’s not getting better by refraining from doing the things that cause it the most pain.

Scott: So clearly it needs more than just that.

Peter: They get an old podcast.

Adam: They get an old podcast.

Scott: Otherwise, that sounds like a great workout routine.

Peter: Yep.

Peter: That’s fun.

Peter: I’m enjoying it.

Adam: It’s the gateway drug to get Peter into CrossFit.

Adam: So, you know, it’s we get him to join the cult.

Adam: He’s like, well, they’re really nice people, honestly.

Adam: And I mean, and it’s it’s not that bad.

Adam: And, you know, I’m getting stronger.

Adam: It’s not that bad.

Peter: It’s not that bad.

Peter: He’s not he’s not kidding, though.

Peter: He’s not kidding because the gateway drug, it starts with a mile run.

Peter: You know, you’re supposed to run a mile, come in, do your pushups, pull ups, squats, and then you run another mile.

Peter: I’m like, well, it was really funny because yesterday, Adam, I did go out just for a two mile recovery run.

Peter: So yesterday, I actually did all of the Murph stuff, not in sequence, not exactly row.

Peter: But, you know, I did 200 pushups, 300 squats, 100 pull ups and ran two miles.

Scott: You did a staggered Murph.

Peter: Yeah, that was my day off yesterday.

Peter: And today is the same thing minus the run, I guess.

Peter: Maybe I’ll do a half Murph, half modified mediocre Murph.

Scott: You know, I’m actually wondering, maybe I could do reverse pull ups.

Scott: Maybe I could do it with a reverse grip.

Scott: That probably wouldn’t hurt my shoulder at all.

Peter: Nope, that’s one of the modifications I’m doing.

Peter: And it’s all biceps and core when you do that.

Peter: Yep, that’s how I’ve been doing it.

Peter: So there you go.

Scott: It’s too bad because I do need to do some shoulder work.

Scott: I’ve told my daughter and wife, look, if your life’s ever depend upon me saving you with both upper body strength right now, you might as well just die because.

Adam: Yeah, don’t look at me with hope in your eyes because.

Scott: Just despair.

Scott: Because right now, this right arm can’t lift a paper bag, let alone you.

Adam: So speaking of getting old, this week is our first week of empty nesting.

Scott: Wow.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: My youngest just left for college.

Adam: My oldest is still in college.

Adam: And we’re in our honeymoon phase of empty nesting.

Scott: Well, I was going to ask you.

Peter: It’s your second honeymoon.

Scott: Is it that or is your wife looking at you from across the room with this apprehensive look on her face, like, oh my God, and now I’m alone with this guy.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: I’m married to this guy.

Scott: We had kids, so we wouldn’t have talked to each other.

Peter: You know, there’s plenty of marriages like that.

Scott: Sadly enough, there are.

Scott: Sadly enough, there are.

Scott: That’s awesome.

Scott: How do you feel though?

Scott: Like, are you?

Scott: Does it feel weird?

Scott: Have you gotten used to it yet?

Adam: No, I’m not used to it yet.

Adam: I mean, it is weird.

Adam: You know, things are quieter, you know, because so my youngest daughter is, I mean, my oldest daughter and I have relationship of CrossFit and working out and things like that.

Adam: And so like I miss my oldest daughter when I go to the gym in the morning.

Adam: And then when I do projects, my my youngest daughter is my architect.

Adam: And so she’s the one who helps me with projects and help me figure things out.

Adam: And I miss her like, hey, oh, she’s not here.

Adam: I need some help.

Adam: Oh, she’s not here.

Adam: Yeah, that is really cool, though.

Scott: That’s awesome.

Adam: It has been fun to, you know, I mean, I’m always their dad.

Adam: I always will be their dad.

Adam: And, you know, we’ve never tried to be their friends, you know, we’re their parents, but it has been cool to do, you know, things are like it’s kind of it’s like having another friend.

Adam: Like, yeah, this is really enjoyable to have this person around to absolutely participate in things with me.

Scott: Yeah, the young age is great when they’re cute and little.

Scott: That is so much fun.

Scott: But when they become people that you can talk to as adults and you can have those kind of conversations with them and you can say, look, I’m a grown person, but that doesn’t necessarily mean, you know, like, I’m big on teaching my daughter to come up with her own views, but come up with them honestly.

Scott: If you come up with your own views, honestly, I don’t care if you disagree with me, but you have to have come by them honestly.

Scott: Don’t rebel.

Scott: Don’t just have a view because other people do, et cetera, et cetera.

Scott: But being able to have adult conversations, I would not trade that for anything.

Scott: I sometimes I do miss the young, cute years and all that.

Scott: But this is so much more satisfying.

Adam: How old are your kids?

Scott: I just have one daughter.

Scott: She’s 15 right now.

Adam: 15.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: Yeah, my my youngest, she does.

Adam: She fishes with me.

Adam: And, you know, those are and I don’t like to listen to music out on the boat.

Adam: So like if we go, if we charter a boat or if we just go out on our own, we just go out.

Adam: There’s no music.

Adam: There’s I mean, we may end up singing or carrying on or conversation.

Adam: But it’s just enjoyable time with with her.

Scott: You’re my kind of guy.

Scott: I don’t like people who just have to listen to their stupid music everywhere.

Scott: It drives me nuts.

Scott: It’s like, are you afraid of listening to something that’s in your head?

Scott: What’s going on here?

Peter: Well, I’m afraid of the silence.

Adam: Well, especially you’re going fishing.

Adam: You’re going out into nature.

Scott: Yes.

Adam: I’m it’s quiet, it’s quiet.

Adam: That’s why I’m here, you know, and the captain was like, so what kind of music do you want to listen to?

Adam: And he didn’t ask, like, did I want to listen to music?

Adam: What kind of music do you want to listen to?

Adam: I said, I would really rather listen to the silence.

Adam: And he’s like, really?

Scott: So my question is, is the captain, does the does he himself think that’s weird or does he think it weird that he finally found somebody that is like that?

Adam: I think it’s both.

Adam: Because every time we get ready to start up and take off and he like flipped the radio and they’re like, oh, flip it back off.

Scott: Well, in his defense, I can imagine that if you were doing if you were just taking people out to fish all day long and that’s all you were doing, you might get bored unless he’s also fishing.

Adam: Yeah, but he’s just guiding.

Scott: Yeah, he maybe maybe he just gets bored and that’s his way of dealing with it.

Scott: But even so, no, I’m with you.

Scott: I don’t see the point of going out into nature and then cranking up the music.

Scott: Sorry, Peter, put away your phone.

Peter: Hey, I listen to my headphones when I’m running just to keep the cadence.

Scott: When you’re exercising, you have to.

Scott: In fact, it’s so much of a difference for me listening to certain kinds of music versus even podcasts.

Scott: I will find my effort level increases dramatically.

Scott: I have to I do that so that I will make myself work out to a proper amount.

Peter: Yep, totally different.

Peter: Yeah, if I listen to podcasts and stuff, I slow down and I start listening to what they’re saying, start thinking about what they’re saying.

Peter: I don’t pay attention to all the important.

Scott: Exactly.

Scott: Next thing I know, I’ve done the entire run in Zone 1 or whatever.

Peter: Speaking of that, how are you liking the Apple Watch OS Beta?

Peter: Now that we have Adam on this episode and he no longer has an Apple Watch.

Scott: Yeah, that’s fine.

Scott: No, I like that.

Scott: I do like being able to look at the zones.

Scott: It’s useful information.

Scott: And actually having that information has, like when I’m on the stationary bike, for example, I do Apple Plus workouts.

Scott: When I do those, I have no problems always keeping my heart rate super high.

Scott: But when I’m just sitting on it and I’m not doing a workout and I’m watching something on Apple TV or I’m watching a YouTube video of some programming thing, something I want to learn, I will be in Zone 1.

Scott: And having that information available to me makes me aware of that.

Scott: And so now I’m able to do better on the workouts where I’m not doing a guided workout, for example.

Scott: And even running is interesting because, yeah, I can more easily see what my exertion level, what zone my specified exertion level puts me in.

Scott: And so I know how fast I have to run to get a certain exertion level.

Scott: And that’s very useful information.

Peter: When I’m out on my long runs, my concern usually is to make sure that I’m not working too hard.

Peter: You know, when I’m trying to keep myself down in like zone two for most of my runs.

Peter: But I’m curious, I just I have not had or taken the time to, you know, set up for my developer account so that I could play with the beta.

Scott: No, and normally I wouldn’t advocate putting a beta on your watch because you’re like me, that watch is your exercise device.

Scott: You want it to be there 100% reliable.

Peter: But it’s my carry watch.

Scott: Yeah, but I had enough people tell me that this watch beta was stable enough that I tried it.

Scott: And the reason why, the thing that pushed me over, it wasn’t actually the workout stuff, although that’s the biggest benefit.

Scott: The thing that carried me over, that pushed me into it was I had put the beta on the phone and all my HomeKit stuff kept working, but then all of a sudden at some point, not even at a new beta version upgrade, just at some point, it kept telling me, okay, if you want to do the home stuff on your watch, you need to upgrade your watch version.

Scott: I was like, oh, I didn’t change anything.

Scott: So then I did it, but it’s been fine.

Scott: But yeah, normally I wouldn’t advocate it, but I think you will really like it.

Peter: Yeah, I’m a little hesitant.

Peter: I mean, now if I put the beta on, I could always undo the beta.

Scott: On the watch?

Scott: Not so easy.

Peter: Really?

Scott: Okay.

Scott: Don’t do it on the watch.

Scott: Just wait.

Scott: But when it comes out, you will really like it.

Peter: What’s the release?

Peter: Is that October we’re looking at?

Scott: I don’t know.

Scott: September, October.

Scott: I don’t know.

Peter: But that’s the thing too, is like, I also don’t want to install it on, say, like September 22nd.

Scott: Just wait.

Peter: Right before my race.

Scott: Just wait, because you’re already tracking your zone, your heart rate in your zones anyway.

Scott: Just wait.

Scott: It’ll be a more integrated, nicer experience for you once it comes, but you’re fine for now.

Scott: I wouldn’t feel the FOMO.

Peter: I’m good.

Adam: I’m going to have to do something.

Adam: I’ve got to track my…

Adam: I don’t know why I have to, but it really helps me to quantify, and I’m either going to have to go with the Garmin, or I’m going to have to go back to an Apple Watch with cellular in it.

Scott: Yeah.

Adam: And I’m going to keep wearing my watch watch.

Peter: Back to the Apple Watch?

Peter: What?

Adam: Because here’s what I want.

Adam: I want to look at my arm, and I want to see the time and date, and see the seconds every time.

Peter: And of course, as soon as I do that, I have mine set so that the last app that was loaded stays on.

Peter: So I cannot do that.

Peter: I look at that, and I see Carrot Weather, which says, stupid clouds.

Peter: I have solar-powered Bitcoin miners to charge.

Adam: So it’s things like that, that the Apple Watch is like, it’s a computer that tells the time.

Adam: If I want a wearable computer, fine.

Adam: It can’t be my watch.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: So you’re saying you could conceivably maybe think about going back to it just for your exercise?

Adam: Going back to it for my exercise, under the premise that I have a watch and I have a wearable device on this arm and live with it that way.

Peter: If I was going to get something just for exercise, I would probably go back to a Fitbit if I were you.

Scott: I haven’t used a Fitbit recently, but I don’t know.

Adam: I liked my three.

Adam: I childishly threw my four in a river.

Scott: Tech rage?

Scott: Yeah, I’ve been there.

Scott: I smashed a heart rate monitor on my garage floor, and then I was stunned to find out that when you smash batteries, they catch on fire.

Scott: Luckily, I was in a concrete floor garage.

Peter: That’s fun.

Scott: So, yeah, I was so mad.

Scott: I just didn’t even care.

Scott: And I just started smashing it with my foot.

Scott: And then I was like, oh, that was stupid.

Peter: Hey, I got a question for you guys.

Peter: Have you seen the spam or scams that are going around from hacked, mostly Yahoo accounts that say something in the subject line, like Peter, yo, or Peter, greetings.

Peter: And you open up the message body and it’s like, Peter.

Peter: And then it has a Google search result for your email address and the sender’s name.

Scott: I have not.

Adam: No, I’ve not seen that.

Peter: I’ve seen a number of these now.

Peter: I don’t understand it.

Peter: I’ve gotten lots of these and it’s, you know, it’s always first, you know, like subject line, it’s, you know, like my name, greetings, my name, hi, my name, yo, the Peter, my first name, couple of new lines, HTTPS <www.google.com/searchquestionmark>, Q equals, and then my email address, a couple more new lines, and then the person’s name.

Adam: Business or personal?

Peter: Well, one of them actually came, here’s the thing, they come from not the sender, they’re actually coming from spoofed email addresses or a third person’s email address, which is bizarre.

Peter: So it’s like one, I got one from a friend, you know, like keto friend from like 20 years ago, and it’s not from his yahoo.com address, it came from something else.

Peter: It’s just bizarre, but I just don’t understand.

Peter: I’m trying to see like, what’s the game here?

Peter: What’s going on?

Peter: You know, I don’t get it.

Scott: What kind of email address are those going to?

Scott: Are those going to a Google account?

Scott: Where, what are they going to?

Scott: Gmail?

Scott: What?

Peter: They’re going to my branded nicolaitis.com address.

Scott: No, I know, but what is that hosted on?

Scott: Is that a Gmail thing?

Peter: No, now it’s a fast mail thing.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: It used to be Gmail though, it was happening on Gmail too.

Scott: Oh, you’re like me, you switched all your Gmail over to fast mail.

Peter: Well, nicolaitis.com was never Gmail, but so I actually don’t remember now if it was, I think it was just going to my nicolaitis.com, but I don’t recall.

Peter: It’s possible it was addressed to a Gmail as well.

Scott: I don’t know, Peter, I can’t tell you, I haven’t gotten any emails that start with Peter, I can tell you that.

Peter: Well, I figured you wouldn’t.

Scott: Well, that’s what you asked.

Scott: You said Peter Yo, Peter Yo.

Scott: Scott, sometimes, sometimes, only sometimes.

Scott: Oh my God, that’s an upgrade.

Scott: I feel proud.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: I’m making progress.

Peter: Hey, so I went to a training conference two days ago.

Peter: My first training in like three years in person.

Scott: Oh, we’re talking technical training here, not physical training.

Peter: No, well, yes, but managerial training.

Peter: Yeah, and it was really good.

Peter: It was really, really good.

Scott: So now you know better than to harass your underlings?

Peter: No, now I know how to harass my underlings.

Scott: And get away with it and not get caught.

Adam: And get away with it, okay.

Scott: Perfect, beautiful.

Peter: Yeah, it was a conference put on by the manager tools crew that’s there at managertools.com, and it was great.

Scott: Some managers are tools, I will tell you that.

Scott: I’ve been lucky, but some managers are tools, yeah.

Peter: I know, I work with a bunch.

Peter: Trust me, I work with a bunch.

Peter: But no, it was really, really good.

Peter: It was all about how to recognize people’s communications patterns and tailor your communications back to them.

Scott: I have a guy, he’s the boss.

Scott: What is he now?

Scott: Is he the boss of my boss’s boss?

Scott: I think so.

Scott: Anyway, he used to be my boss for a short time.

Scott: And before that, he was just an engineer, individual contributor, they call him.

Scott: He was, I’ve always gotten along with him.

Scott: He’s great, but he is definitely one of those people who does not, he’s better now.

Scott: Originally, he did not at all have any concept of tailoring his approach to how people are gonna receive the information.

Scott: And he pissed off so many people because they thought he was yelling at them when he was yelling about the problem.

Scott: And not yelling mad, he just gets excited, you know?

Scott: And he does get way too intense.

Scott: There’s no misunderstanding why people take it personally.

Scott: They shouldn’t, but there’s no misunderstanding why they would.

Scott: And he doesn’t understand that some people that aren’t like him, that is a very counterproductive approach.

Scott: And he just had a problem of people who aren’t like me, I can’t relate to, and I can’t give an approach that doesn’t work for people like me.

Scott: Very one approach type of guy, and it’s not effective.

Peter: So I received an email.

Peter: There is an individual at the hospital that I spend most of my working hours for, who is universally regarded as abrasive, combative, hostile, and it’s not just his communications, right?

Peter: It’s his whole attitude.

Peter: But I received an email from him about a server that the privacy team wanted decommissioned, but preserved until the legal team got back to them to tell them how long this data needs to be held, right?

Peter: So like it has some data on it, we need to hold it for X years of data retention.

Peter: For some reason, years ago, ownership of this server was attributed to the guy I report to, who was the former head of the security team for this hospital.

Peter: So it’s not our server, it’s the privacy team server, and they’re waiting on the legal team to take action.

Peter: Now, the operations teams is email, they’re emailing us saying, this server’s out of space, you got to do something.

Peter: This thing’s out of disk space, it’s got old software, we need to patch it, what are you going to do?

Peter: And I’m like, well, it’s not our teams, but let me look into it and see what I can find.

Peter: I will talk with, oh, by the way, if you wanted to talk directly to the owner, this is this person, go talk to them.

Peter: Of course, they don’t do that.

Peter: They just email us again with the same thing.

Peter: So I get involved and I’m like, all right.

Peter: So I explain to them, here’s the problem.

Peter: What’s going on?

Peter: They’re like, oh yeah, we’d love to shut it off, but you know, we need it for retention purposes for legal until legal.

Peter: And they haven’t gotten back to me.

Peter: I’m like, okay, great.

Peter: Well, please expedite this with legal if you can.

Peter: I will reach back out to the operations team and explain to them, we need to hold this machine until legal determines it’s not needed anymore.

Peter: There have been three separate email threads going on in this.

Peter: So this one guy yesterday, the head of this ops team who is hostile and caustic and belligerent, emails and says, Peter, keeping this server around indefinitely is not a sustainable approach.

Peter: You know, this machine, blah, blah, blah, we need to know how to use blah, blah, blah.

Peter: What do you propose we do?

Peter: And I said, I replied, first name.

Peter: Because that’s how you, I don’t say deer, you know, hello, good morning, anything like that.

Peter: Just reply, echo him, first name.

Peter: I do not own this server, period.

Peter: My team does not own this server, period.

Peter: This person, CC’d on this email, owns the server, period.

Peter: She has informed me she is waiting for legal to determine how long we need to hold onto this server, period.

Peter: If you need a faster response, I suggest you take it up with them, period.

Peter: Best, comma, Peter.

Scott: I have a question for you.

Scott: When you’re communicating at work, I don’t actually know your work history, Adam, so I don’t know if you’ve worked in a company before where you had tons of people.

Peter: No, he’s a hobo.

Scott: Okay, so you’ve always been indie?

Adam: No, no.

Adam: I’ve been in big corporations.

Adam: I’ve been in small.

Scott: Okay, so when you guys communicate with others, do you feel the need, like we have teams messaging and all that stuff now.

Scott: Some people, if you shoot them a quick message, they always have to respond with, hi Scott, and then a reply.

Scott: I personally don’t need that.

Scott: I will not be offended in any way whatsoever if they just admit all that.

Scott: And let’s just talk about the thing.

Scott: That doesn’t mean I don’t like them.

Scott: I like the people I work with.

Scott: Do you know what I mean?

Scott: Like, what’s your approach to that kind of thing?

Adam: So my cold approach is, if I needed to communicate with you, and it was the first time we’d communicated to each other in a while, there would be a slight salutation.

Adam: Hey, Scott, hope you’re doing well.

Adam: That’s the extent of my salutation.

Adam: Hope you’re doing well.

Adam: I’ve got a problem.

Adam: Will you please help me with this?

Adam: This is what I need.

Adam: Thanks, Adam.

Adam: And then if you reply back to me, there’s no more salutation.

Adam: There’s no more anything.

Adam: You say, hey, I’m gonna talk to my other dude, and dude’s gonna get back with me.

Adam: Great, thanks.

Adam: I mean, that’s.

Scott: Yeah, okay.

Peter: And the reason, and I’ll embellish on that for a quick second.

Peter: The reason is because we’ve started the conversation now.

Peter: And so that’s what you like saying.

Peter: Hello, Scott.

Peter: We are now discussing Adam’s preferences for communication.

Peter: Hello, Adam.

Peter: Let us have a podcast today.

Peter: Hello, Scott.

Peter: So Adam has told you now how he would normally communicate something.

Peter: Hello, Adam, right?

Peter: Once the conversation has started, I don’t need salutations, but I appreciate them up front.

Adam: Yeah, in the initial.

Scott: Yeah, if it’s somebody, like I very rarely have to interact with people that I don’t know pretty well.

Scott: Most of the people that I know I’ve known for years and or I interact with on a daily basis multiple times per day.

Scott: So for both of those categories, I don’t do any salutations at all, and they don’t do them to me.

Scott: There are a couple people that do, and for them, okay, I understand that they don’t necessarily want it to be that abrupt.

Scott: That’s fine.

Scott: But a lot of the other people seem totally fine with it.

Scott: Like there’s one guy who I don’t contact more than once a month at most, on average.

Scott: Probably is more than that in any given month, but then it’s less than that during most months.

Scott: And all I say is I say his name, comma, and then what it is that I’m asking him.

Scott: And he just replies in kind.

Scott: He doesn’t care.

Scott: But that’s how I treat it, is like for sure, if it’s somebody that I don’t know well or haven’t interacted with a lot, or it’s been a long, long, long, long time.

Scott: But if it’s somebody I know super well, I just skip all that.

Scott: Like my boss just skips all that stuff.

Adam: Yeah, I skip all that stuff.

Adam: When I’m talking to my team, the only thing that I will do is make sure that I address who I’m addressing if there are multiple recipients.

Scott: For sure.

Adam: So like if I was sending it to an email to you and Peter, and both of you are in the two, I’m going to say Peter, if it’s associated with him, but there’ll be no salutation, especially if we’re on a regular basis, no salutation.

Scott: Yeah, no, that’s just good communication clarity.

Scott: Letting them know who you’re talking to and then what you’re talking to them about.

Scott: Yeah, for sure.

Scott: It’s interesting though, in teams, a lot of people will start their, if they haven’t, every now and then they’ll just send a thing that says, I am.

Scott: And it’s just a way of saying, hey, I want to send you a message or you around.

Scott: And I don’t do that.

Scott: I just message them directly.

Scott: It kind of bugs me when they send me an I am thing.

Scott: It’s like, just send me an I am.

Scott: If it shows me as is online, just send me the question.

Peter: I don’t, I’m missing something.

Peter: I don’t understand.

Scott: So if somebody just out of the blue wants to I am me, but it’s like my boss or something.

Scott: He’ll sometimes he’ll say, I am.

Scott: And then I say, yep.

Scott: And then he sends me whatever it was he wanted to message me about.

Adam: So I would never do that.

Adam: I would do that for a phone call.

Adam: Like, yes, are you available for a call?

Scott: Absolutely.

Scott: Yes, you have to do that.

Peter: Cause so wait, he emails you to say, no.

Scott: It’s on the messenger.

Scott: It’s on Teams Messenger.

Scott: A lot of people do this.

Scott: It’s not just him.

Scott: A lot of people do this.

Scott: This is yeah, he’s I am me, but he says I am.

Scott: I think it’s just to make sure that I’m at the computer and I’m going to respond if he sends me a message before he types out the whole thing.

Adam: I might say you there.

Scott: It’s a two letter equivalent to that.

Peter: Okay, okay, yeah.

Peter: I am sounds a little weird as a way to do that to me, but okay, sure.

Scott: Well, it just means, can I send you a message?

Peter: Yeah, I get it.

Scott: It’s two letters.

Peter: Yeah, I understand.

Peter: I don’t appreciate, guys.

Adam: I would like to have CQ in the ham radio.

Peter: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it.

Scott: But when I see somebody else is online, I just send them the message that I want to send them.

Adam: Yeah, I’m the same way, unless it’s a, if it’s a dissertation, I send an email.

Scott: Yeah, for sure.

Adam: So I’ve got a, you know, a Segway, new beer.

Scott: Nice, it says Rose on it, but it doesn’t say Rose Hips.

Adam: Yeah, so it is the Black Abbey Brewing Company in Nashville, Tennessee, created, not made, and it is the Rose Belgian style blonde ale.

Scott: I like that.

Scott: That’s very apt coming from an Abbey, created, not made.

Adam: Yeah.

Scott: It is not made.

Adam: Yeah, and it’s, like I said, it’s another Nashville brew.

Adam: This is my wife’s go-to beer.

Adam: So we had some of these at the farm.

Adam: So I brought the Walk the Lime, and this one was down here, because I didn’t want to drink a Yangling on Friends with Beer, because I thought Friends with Beer deserved more than that.

Scott: What’s a Yangling?

Adam: A Yangling?

Peter: It’s America’s oldest brewery.

Scott: Is it really?

Adam: Pennsylvania.

Scott: Wow, I’ve never heard of this.

Scott: This is an East Coast thing.

Scott: This is a regional difference, you guys.

Adam: Well, then maybe I will.

Adam: After I finish the Black Abbey, I may go down and get a Yangling for Scott’s benefit.

Peter: There you go.

Adam: Now, Yangling is, so you have Budweiser, and it’s like the step between Budweiser and full-blown microbrewery.

Adam: It’s like, oh, it’s better than a Bud, but it’s not quite Black Abbey.

Peter: Not much better.

Scott: But better than a Bud, you just described toilet water.

Scott: Okay, I see it.

Scott: Y-U-E-N-G-L-I-N-G.

Adam: It is a decent beer.

Adam: That’s what I keep in my refrigerator down here at the farm.

Adam: You can, if you’re really thirsty and hot, it goes down fast, but it also goes well with steak and food and pizza.

Scott: See, I consider that to be, and you can tell me where, how they compare maybe, but like sometimes blue moon is like that for me.

Scott: It’s definitely not the best, but it tastes good.

Scott: It’s way better than a Budweiser, and it goes with something.

Adam: It’s exactly equivalent.

Adam: I mean, fair enough.

Scott: Okay.

Scott: I have a question for you guys before.

Scott: Oh, first of all, Peter, we have to talk about.

Peter: Rest.

Scott: No, we have to talk about a website that I don’t even know if you’ve looked at yet.

Peter: What website?

Scott: A website that we made.

Scott: Remember, we promised the listeners a surprise.

Peter: I’ve looked at that website.

Peter: Yes.

Scott: Did you know that people are not thumb drives?

Peter: I did know that, although some people act like thumb drives from time to time.

Scott: So what I’m talking about is I created a website called syracusases.com, siracusasays.com.

Scott: And these are some clips that I have just started this, by the way.

Scott: So there’s only like five or six of them right now, five right now.

Scott: But these are sayings of John Syracusa from clips of audio from different podcasts that he’s on.

Scott: And anybody who knows who John Syracusa is, anybody who listens to ATP or used to listen to Hypercritical or listens to Reconcilable Differences will know what I’m talking about, but he’s a lot of fun.

Scott: So we decided to create a website.

Scott: We’re constantly sharing clips with each other, audio clips with each other, using the overcast clip export of things that Syracusa has said.

Scott: So we decided to make it official and make a website out of it.

Peter: Isn’t it more important to tell people who don’t know who he is, who he is?

Scott: No, I think they should go to the website and click on the John link, go to syracusases.com and click on the link that says John, and it will say-

Peter: How do you spell Syracusa?

Adam: Google told me.

Scott: I just told you, S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A.

Adam: People are not thumb drives.

Scott: People are not thumb drives.

Peter: So yeah, he’s one of the hosts of the Accidental Tech Podcasts.

Peter: That’s how I know him mostly.

Peter: And he’s brilliant, he’s hilarious.

Scott: He’s great.

Peter: He has a lot of decorative home entertainment consoles.

Scott: He just went through a spiel on ATP about calibrating his TV.

Scott: First he went through the, I think he went through the visual calibration, and then he went through the audio calibration.

Scott: And the other guys are like, oh my God, this sounds horrible.

Scott: And he’s like, I know, I wish they made this easy.

Scott: And they go, no, no, we’re talking about the fact that you’re doing this to begin with.

Scott: It’s just hilarious.

Scott: It’s good stuff.

Peter: No, it is hilarious.

Peter: It’s, every episode, you know, there, he’ll go on.

Peter: Well, the best ones are when he goes out on a rant.

Peter: Those are the grades when he’s just going on, like on and on and on and on and on.

Peter: So, you know, like, you know, that little thing where you’re looking at the user interface, yeah, okay, open this little thing.

Peter: Now, click the little settings icon, right?

Peter: Okay, now you look up, not in the settings icon, but you look over about three inches to the left.

Peter: You see that little carrot point to the right?

Peter: Yeah, click that.

Peter: How am I supposed to know that?

Peter: I don’t know.

Scott: Yeah, he’s talking about how you would tell a family member this kind of stuff.

Scott: Yeah, it’s just, it’s good stuff like that.

Scott: But he’s clearly, so he worked in some company in Boston as a web developer for a long, long time.

Scott: He calls it 20 mumble years.

Scott: But he’s clearly one of those people that’s smart enough, like I feel like he could have done anything.

Scott: He definitely didn’t have to settle for a life as a web programmer, but I’m kind of glad that he did because it gave him time to podcast and do all that other stuff.

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: And now he’s, you know, now he’s solo.

Scott: And now he’s making a living from ATP.

Peter: Excellent.

Peter: Makes me need to like buy some ATP schwag or something.

Peter: I’ve never actually contributed to them, and I don’t think I’ve ever used their sponsor.

Scott: I don’t know if you can see this or not.

Scott: Can you see this?

Peter: ATP.

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: Well, you’re all in on the schwag.

Scott: I do the schwag occasionally.

Adam: So do you guys have Netflix?

Scott: Yes.

Peter: Kind of.

Adam: Kind of.

Adam: Oh, yeah, I better not bring it up.

Adam: I don’t know if that’s some knowledge you want to share.

Peter: Oh, I have an ex-girlfriend’s Netflix credit account still in my Amazon Fire TV Cube, and I’ve never deleted it.

Adam: Never deleted it.

Peter: And she hasn’t changed her password in like three years.

Scott: Who is this person so I can educate her on how to change her password?

Peter: There’s no point in me telling, and I have no idea where she is right now.

Scott: No, there’s a point.

Scott: You’re just trying to avoid the point.

Scott: Okay, go on.

Peter: Well, the point would be I would have to pay for Netflix.

Adam: So I’ve got Netflix, and there are four members in my family.

Adam: So I have my iPad, I have it in my Apple TV, I have it in my Fire Stick TV, my daughters all have it on their iPads.

Adam: My wife doesn’t watch it anywhere other than on TV if she watches it anywhere.

Adam: So my oldest daughter is in college, and she’s in a sorority house, and she said, I need to know the Netflix password so I can connect it to the Apple TV in my room.

Adam: I said, no, you don’t need it on your TV.

Adam: You still have your iPad, right?

Adam: Well, yeah, but I would like to watch it on the TV.

Adam: Is it your Amazon Fire Stick?

Adam: Well, no.

Adam: Then, no, you can’t have my password.

Peter: Good job.

Peter: Bringing them girls up right.

Peter: Good job.

Scott: For sure.

Adam: No.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: And then she called my wife, and she said, well, daddy read he because she asked me for the password, and I just didn’t respond via text.

Adam: She said, well, daddy read my text, but he didn’t give me an answer.

Adam: I’m like, no, I mean, I can’t really, but it’s not her Fire Stick.

Scott: No.

Adam: And I don’t want that notification when I want to watch something on Netflix, and all of a sudden it says, maximum number of 4K users, you’re out.

Adam: You’re not one of them.

Adam: Then I’ve got to change the password.

Adam: And then now I’ve got the hassle of, okay, well, if I want to change my password, then I’ve got to turn around and give it to everybody again.

Adam: No, you’re out.

Scott: And not only that, but you’re the account controller.

Scott: So no matter how well intentioned your daughter is, even if the person that she’s sharing it with for their Fire Stick is well intentioned, you don’t know where that password is going to wind up.

Scott: You don’t know who’s going to be logging into your account.

Scott: You can’t, you just cannot do that.

Adam: Yeah.

Peter: The problem is that she is not paying for her own Netflix.

Adam: That is a problem.

Adam: Well, after she finishes her senior year of college, and because the iPad I purchased, all of these things I purchased and I have some ownership on them, she’s going to have to get her own cell phone, her own Netflix account.

Adam: All those things are going to be hers, and then she can do what she wants to do.

Scott: She can share them with anybody.

Adam: I was like, I can’t.

Adam: I mean, other than the great inconvenience, I just don’t want to.

Scott: No, no, no, no, no.

Peter: That’s a good reason.

Peter: There are good reasons to just not want to.

Scott: I don’t want to.

Scott: I don’t like, do not want.

Peter: Mom, dad’s being a jerk.

Peter: Yep.

Peter: And he’s totally justified.

Scott: One thing I wanted to ask you network experts about is, have you ever heard of Tailscale?

Scott: T-A-I-L-S-C-A-L-E.

Peter: Not ringing any bells.

Scott: It basically is like a VPN, except not exactly.

Peter: I’ve heard of the Tails Linux distro.

Scott: No, no, no.

Scott: This is a service.

Adam: Tailscale zero config.

Scott: And it lets you log various devices into it.

Scott: And any device that’s logged into it, you can get to from anywhere else.

Scott: But it also, I think, is more than just that.

Scott: I think it also functions as a VPN.

Scott: I’m not 100% sure.

Scott: I just found out about it today.

Scott: That’s why I was going to…

Scott: And it’s free for use on up to 20 devices for personal use.

Scott: That’s why I was going to ask you guys about that.

Scott: Because right now I’m using OpenVPN on my router, and then I can VPN into my home network.

Adam: Yeah, this is slick.

Adam: This is the same thing.

Adam: There was a service out there before, and it got bought out by a big company.

Adam: You installed…

Adam: Hamachi, that was it.

Peter: Got bought by LogMeIn.

Scott: Oh yeah, LogMeIn.

Peter: Yep, it’s made yourself a peer-to-peer VPN in the 5.0.0.0 address space.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: I mean, I like this.

Adam: I like the idea of this.

Scott: I like the idea, too.

Scott: What I was wondering about was if you guys had any knowledge of it so that, because obviously this could be wonderful or it could be a security nightmare.

Peter: I don’t have any knowledge of it.

Scott: Okay.

Peter: Yeah, yeah, never.

Scott: No, no clue.

Adam: Well, we have…

Adam: Yeah, so we’ve got some…

Adam: I’ve got a bank client and they have a Sangamma Digio phone system, which you can tell me how awful that is.

Adam: I already know.

Adam: I’ve already told them.

Adam: But in order for them to get their mobile app to work, you have to open ports in the firewall to the Sangamma.

Adam: And now hackers can attempt to try to get into your phone system all the time, unless you limit, then finally, and the hackers trying to get into it.

Adam: You’re like, oh, so what?

Adam: They don’t have a username and password.

Adam: If they flood your PBX trying to get in, then you’ve got problems.

Adam: So then we had to cut it off altogether.

Adam: Well, a solution like this, where you run an app on your phone or a VPN connection would fix that.

Adam: That’d be pretty cool.

Peter: Yeah, definitely VPN your services, man.

Peter: Just don’t put that out over the freaking total exposed to the Internet.

Peter: Yeesh.

Adam: Unfortunately, the crappy Sangoma system, it totally tanks over the VPN.

Adam: Which is why I’m recommending RingCentral.

Peter: You know, I think that’s a valid reason.

Adam: Oh man.

Peter: So guys, I don’t know about you.

Peter: I’m feeling that one beer that I had.

Scott: And you’ve got 20 pounds of pork and beef that you have to go eat.

Peter: I feel like I need, I feel like I need a map, a nap.

Scott: You need a map and a nap.

Adam: Wait till you eat that pork chop.

Peter: I need a map to find the place where I’m going to go nap.

Adam: I’ve got work to do tonight.

Adam: I’ve got to take a lawnmower off the back of my trailer.

Adam: I’ve got to get fabric out there.

Adam: Scott, do you know I am building a lavender farm?

Scott: I didn’t know that, but I absorbed it through blurring the lines.

Adam: I’m building a lavender farm, and I’ve never owned a farm.

Adam: I grew up in agricultural Ohio.

Adam: We grew vegetables, and I lived next to a corn farm and cows.

Adam: I’m not unexposed to agriculture.

Adam: Not like a New York City boy who’s like, where did chickens come from?

Adam: They come from a coop.

Adam: They come from a coop.

Adam: They come from the croaker.

Adam: I’m not unfamiliar with agricultural living, but I’ve never grown lavender.

Adam: It’s been an experiment and process.

Adam: I got inspired in the West Coast.

Adam: When we did our Washington down to San Francisco tour, we stopped at a lavender farm.

Adam: And I was like, I can do this.

Adam: I mean, we looked at it like, this is kind of cool.

Adam: And then we looked at our property in Tennessee.

Adam: And lavender originated in the Mediterranean.

Adam: So poor soil, poor nutrients, well drained, full sunlight.

Adam: That’s all that lavender needs.

Adam: Well, I live in an ancient river bottom in the Tennessee River Valley.

Adam: So I’ve got sandy, rocky soil.

Adam: All I need is full sunlight and poor nutrients and make sure that the roots don’t stay wet, and I can grow lavender.

Adam: Well, we learned a lot of lessons.

Adam: I planted a hundred lavender last year.

Adam: I planted a thousand this year.

Adam: And unfortunately, I lost 373 out of that thousand.

Adam: And I didn’t completely lose them.

Adam: Some of them I completely lost.

Adam: Some of them failed to thrive.

Adam: And so I’m going to just rip them out and replace them with brand new plants.

Adam: But I primarily lost the weed battle.

Adam: Not the spoking weed, but the weeds in the ground.

Scott: Not the kind Peter drinks.

Adam: Not the kind that Peter drinks.

Adam: The weeds, the other plants that you don’t want growing.

Adam: We had a busy spring with high school graduations and everything, and the weeds got away from me, and they choked my lavender.

Adam: Because we thought we wanted to have grass in between the rows of lavender.

Adam: But that grass, I have ground fabric down, the grass in the middle sent runners underneath all of my ground cover and choked out my lavender.

Adam: So now I am putting down ground cover and poison to kill all that other grass, so that I will have a…

Adam: the whole ground is going to be paved with fabric, but I’ll have lavender that will survive, which is the important part.

Scott: What are you doing with the lavender?

Scott: Who are you selling it to?

Adam: Well, so our target is to sell products based on the lavender oils.

Scott: Oh, OK.

Adam: So what I will do is I’ll grow the plants, I’ll extract the oil with a still, and then take the oils that I get and make them into lotions, soaps, candles, fragrance, anything that you can imagine that would have a lavender scent.

Adam: That’s what we’re going to put.

Adam: We’re not focused on food.

Adam: We’re focused primarily on smell, but it could be used for food.

Scott: Yeah, I figured it was probably for, I say cosmetic, but what you just described.

Scott: But some of the, oh man, that sounds very involved.

Scott: Making soaps, making stuff like that, that sounds like a real process.

Adam: It can be, you know, and it can be labor intensive until you start nailing down how you’re going to automate the process.

Adam: Because like I’m not going right now, I’m not going to make my own lotion.

Adam: I’m going to buy unscented lotions and then add oils to that.

Scott: Interesting.

Scott: So like white label stuff?

Adam: Yeah, there are a lot of manufacturers out there that you can just buy unscented lotion and you could put whatever, you know, in my case, lavender, but let’s say you are a mango farmer, you know, you could put your mango flavoring pineapple in it.

Adam: So it’s really kind of cool.

Adam: I didn’t know there were industries out there like that that provide the methods for you to be able to do your thing.

Scott: Interesting.

Scott: That’s pretty cool.

Scott: First, I just kind of assumed that you were going to grow the lavender and you were going to sell it to the people who were going to make those products.

Adam: Well, that is wholesaling is the you have to do such a volume to make money at that because you’re losing the biggest cut.

Adam: That essential oils, that is, from what I’ve read, you can get a thousand times volume on that, selling that.

Scott: That makes sense.

Scott: So you are going to have a place here on the farm where people can come by this stuff and then sell online or is it just going to be online or what?

Adam: It’s going to be a combination.

Adam: So the people were going to have it where we could have events where people can come by and take pictures for weddings and wedding pictures and seniors.

Adam: And then we’re going to have some music events out here.

Adam: And then we were probably going to have some cut your own stuff.

Adam: And then we’ll do some farmers markets.

Adam: But all of those things are marketing.

Adam: That’s all.

Adam: You’re not going to make your money on that.

Adam: You’re going to make your money on selling product on our own e-commerce website, as well as maybe wholesaling to retailers.

Scott: Now, when it comes to soap, I can see lotions where you could mix the lavender in, but the soap, I assume you’ll have to make.

Adam: Yeah, we’ll probably have to make it.

Scott: Interesting.

Scott: Well, I will be a customer of yours.

Scott: I will try this stuff out.

Adam: Yeah, I’ll probably give you some just for the…

Adam: You can give it a try.

Peter: Scott will buy it.

Peter: He buys everything.

Scott: Give Peter some soap chips in a beer can and watch him drink it.

Peter: Gross.

Adam: This has got a lot of head.

Peter: I think that’s a great time to wrap up this podcast.

Scott: Peter really wants his nap.

Peter: Oh, man.

Scott: No, that sounds amazing, Adam.

Scott: Huge kudos to you guys for doing this.

Adam: It’s going to be our next obsession after computers.

Scott: Cool.

Peter: So, hey, Scott, if people want to find us, how can they?

Scott: Well, there is a friendswithbeer.com domain, which has a website associated with it, and if you go there, you can find information about us.

Scott: You can listen to episodes.

Scott: You can find information on how to subscribe.

Scott: There’s also a Twitter account, and I really desperately need somebody to tweet at it.

Scott: It’s Friends What Beer Pod.

Scott: It’s Friends W Beer Pod, and it never fails to make Peter cry with laughter or just cry.

Peter: I laugh.

Peter: You don’t even link the Twitter.

Peter: Oh, there it is at the bottom of the contact.

Scott: I know, but do you see the inverted pyramid?

Peter: Yeah, it’s a funnel.

Scott: I see a funnel for beer, my friend.

Peter: Yep.

Peter: Got it.

Peter: A beer funnel.

Peter: I like it.

Peter: Hey, we’re up to 18 followers.

Scott: Are we?

Scott: Well, I think they’re all me.

Scott: Let’s see.

Scott: Let me look here.

Scott: I think they’re my multiple personalities.

Adam: I’m looking.

Adam: Where’s the Twitter?

Peter: It’s at the bottom of the page.

Peter: The contact us.

Peter: Contact us.

Scott: It’s on the subscribe page, and it’s way down at the bottom.

Scott: I made an inverted funnel for some reason.

Scott: Don’t ask me why.

Scott: I mean, a normal funnel, an inverted pyramid.

Scott: I don’t know why.

Scott: Once I was making it, it cracked me up.

Scott: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Peter: It’s tiny.

Scott: The joke is supposed to be that I don’t really want people contacting us and giving us feedback, but I actually do.

Scott: And the other joke is once people have been drinking beer, like Peter, they will never find this.

Scott: What?

Peter: What?

Peter: I don’t get it.

Scott: I show 17 followers.

Scott: Do you show 18?

Peter: I show 18.

Peter: We just lost one.

Adam: I’m not ready to be 19, because now I’m going to follow.

Scott: Nice, nice.

Peter: We’re growing our user base.

Scott: All we have to do is have them on the podcast.

Scott: One at a time, we can have people on the podcast and they will follow us.

Peter: Well, we got one listener this week.

Peter: OK, good.

Peter: That’s good.

Peter: At this rate.

Scott: Now, this is a lot of fun.

Scott: I appreciate both of you.

Scott: I appreciate you coming on today as well, Adam.

Scott: That was a lot of fun.

Scott: Oh, yeah.

Adam: Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Peter: I appreciate podcasting with beer.

Scott: Peter doesn’t want to podcast with us.

Scott: He just wants to podcast alone with beer.

Scott: Yeah, Peter’s gone.

Peter: Cool.

Scott: I don’t know what’s happening over there.

Peter: I am tired, dude.

Peter: I am yawning.

Peter: I am I’m just barely standing up.

Peter: I’m glad I have a desk to lean on here.

Scott: Since you guys are outnumbering me, the Blaring the Lines people are outnumbering me here.

Scott: You guys can talk about your big red button.

Peter: Well, yeah, normally, this is where we would push the big red button, and that’s where we stop recording.

Peter: So what the way it works is somebody says it’s time to push the big red button.

Adam: Big red button.