These are not Google Drive’s Toasted Nuts

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i can’t find it. why don’t i have Friends with Brews? i think i deleted the wrong one.

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I haveoh here it is. Friends with Brews! Best opening ever. Best opening ever of a best week opening ever.

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What a week. Whew. Well you had the best opening ever. I saw the best finale ever to the World Cup just now.

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Holy moly. Yeah I think a lot of people did including I saw people posting on Mastodon.

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Yeah, you know what? I almost said I saw people posting on Mastodon that they don’t like soccer

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It is boring and yet they thought that was the most exciting thing they’ve ever seen. Yeah, it was an amazing

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Minus the I don’t like soccer part. I do like soccer. I did enjoy one woman’s comment though on Mastodon

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She said if I want to see men who can’t score. I’ll just go read the comments on Twitter

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Funny funny. Okay. Okay. Hey speaking of Mastodon

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Real quick. I don’t think this is gonna be a Mastodon episode. No, but what is your preferred?

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Desktop Mastodon client the website. They’re all I was wondering mammoth has

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mammoth has

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Mammoths. Oh my god, Scott mammoth. Yeah, definitely mammoth time for mammoth Wapner

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Okay, let me start all over. It’s been a week. And as you know, I was just waking up. We just headed to podcast

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Okay, which is great you wake up on the wrong side of the bed you’re exhausted you’re pissy you’re angry at everything

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Let’s record. I’m actually not this time

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I was angry last week for reasons that you know why because I was really physically out of sorts

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Uh-huh

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No, actually I was gonna say that’s the one thing it’s been a week and I do feel utterly exhausted

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But the one nice thing about being physically trained is my body still feels good. Like I still feel good

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Mm-hmm, so I saw I’m in a good mood because that now what were you gonna talk about?

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What was I gonna come in on? What was I trying to say?

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Oh mammoth mammoth may not specifically be written to run on the Mac

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But it runs on the Mac and I don’t know if that’s just because it gets the iPad it runs on the Apple silicon Mac

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And I don’t know if that’s just because it’s running the straight iPad version or if he actually is tweaking it for a Mac version

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I can’t remember. It’s in test flight. I think it probably

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Let me open test flight mammoth

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It doesn’t say? So I’m guessing that he just said run it on all platforms, but he’s probably

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not doing anything to make it specifically Mac-like. So anyway, the reason I don’t use

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Mammoth on the Mac is because every time I try to post something it just crashes. It just disappears.

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That’s a good reason to not use it on the Mac.

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Yeah, on the other hand, it keeps you from saying things you’ll regret later.

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Well, that’s also a good reason.

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So I use the website and then of course on iPad and iPhone I use the ivory

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Test flight beta right and I’m using that as well. I haven’t done much with it

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I’ve only posted like two things I noticed but you know, that’s okay. I’m okay with that. I’m trying to get you involved more

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I’m I am okay not being wedded to another social media site with me the balance like

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if I am watching

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security folks and I want like the latest news and stuff, then that’s one thing. But

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I don’t need like, okay, Twitter’s gone. I haven’t been like actively looking at Twitter

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in years. I get that. Well, I know that. Anyway. Yeah. So, so I’m not looking for something

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to look at, but, but I like the things that you curate for me, Scott. You might as well

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enjoy it in the good days. This is as good as Mastodon’s ever going to get in terms of

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Lack of a**holes.

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Probably.

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And on the same token, we now have the owner of Twitter over there banning journalists

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and links to Mastodon.

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Did you see that part?

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I totally missed that a couple days ago.

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Yeah, he’s not naive and well-meaning.

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He’s naive and very ill-intentioned.

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Oh, let’s talk about our brews before we get any further.

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Yeah, let’s.

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Why don’t you go first?

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Because I got to pick up the name again.

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Today’s a coffee day.

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It is a coffee day.

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Coffee day for me as well.

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Okay, I’m having a Water Avenue, which is brewed in Portland, where I live.

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Water Avenue, my goal in life by the way, Peter, is to make everyone think that that’s

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actually how you say Portland, and have everyone say “Portland” so that I can tell that they’re

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a listener to this podcast.

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Portlandia.

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Water Avenue, coffee company, Wonderland.

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Perfect for Portland.

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It’s a cozy blend for misty mornings, and I gotta say it was a little misty earlier.

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It’s a medium roast, wonderfully balanced with festive tasting notes of, get ready for

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this, baking spice, brown sugar, and toasted nuts.

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Huh.

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These are not your father’s toasted nuts, by the way.

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I couldn’t have read it better myself.

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Oh my god.

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These are not your father’s toasted nuts.

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You didn’t make that up, did you?

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No, I did, actually.

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That part I made up.

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Oh, you did?

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I did make up the part about these are not your father’s toasted nuts.

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Okay. Okay.

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Seemed like it. I just am offering it up to them.

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If they’re listening by chance,

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I want them to know that not only do we want sponsorship,

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they can have that slogan for free.

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Awesome. Well,

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I am drinking a cup of Wegmans Dark Horizon

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coffee.

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That is a dark horizon. Is it an event horizon?

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It’s bold with, uh, with notes of dark chocolate.

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It is a medium dark roast.

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Now you know, normally I go all in on the dark stuff, but I say dark horizon, it’s distant

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horizon.

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Did I say distant?

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It’s distant, distant horizon.

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Distant event horizon.

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There’s no event in it.

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It’s distant horizon.

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And I like it a lot.

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The first time I’ve had it was this morning, and I am on my third cup and I have not put

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anything in it.

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Didn’t put any cream, which I normally do.

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I suspect it probably would taste even better with cream, but I wanted to just taste it

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straight up and it’s really nice.

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From the website, bold with notes of dark chocolate,

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blend of beans from Colombia, Brazil,

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Ethiopia, and Nicaragua.

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From crop to cup, sourced and roasted with care,

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our supplier partner has direct relationships

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Yes, these are not your father’s toasted nuts.

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It says nothing about your father’s toasted nuts.

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Okay.

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Oh my god.

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I’m so glad that I grew up and became an adult.

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I am actually happy to report that my father is safe and sound.

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So Vermont got a huge load of snow.

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Giant blizzard.

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Oh, oh, I thought this was back to the falling incident

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No, they had a load of snow like two feet my debt by my dad’s asked a snow falling incident and a couple yes

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Exactly that kind of falling and a couple of years ago

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I had persuaded him to put in a generator and I’m glad he has because for two days he had no power

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I don’t even know if he has any power now because he told me he was gonna snow blow and get out to the propane

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Generator to see or to the propane tank to check the fuel level

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But he’s basically been running on generator power for the last two days now and it’s great when I heard Adam

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saying on blurring the lines that

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His daughter’s boyfriend I think was questioning him about why you would want

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Backup stores of food like extra food supply on hand. Uh-huh. I thought to myself, you know, we do have some stuff

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Stored away, but we’re not as good as we could be. Mm-hmm

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I’ll freely admit that but to wonder why it’s a good idea. Ah

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Hello, I have an ex-girlfriend and this was right when covid was getting started and I was stocking up on

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dried foods rice beans

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Oatmeal right coffee and then other stuff that was just last forever

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peanut butter speaking of toasted nuts

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Cans of tuna canned vegetables and she was like, why would you why would you get canned vegetables?

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We can get fresh and I was like, you don’t

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Get it. Do you this isn’t about the quality of the eating experience?

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Exactly. This was like, you know

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I want to make sure I have something to eat and I’m gonna worry about how tasty and healthy it is later right now

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Honestly, I’m looking for calories

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Let me live first. Let me stay alive for a little while and then I’ll worry about the fine dining experience

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Uh-huh

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Exactly. Was that the end? Was that the day you broke up there? It came shortly after actually

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It wasn’t that wasn’t the day but it was it was it was it was it was that day adjacent

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Anyway, so so you we both I think we have two thumbs up for our coffees. Is that safe to say?

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Yeah, I think so. I think every time I have a coffee that I haven’t tried before,

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there’s a little experimentation before I get the brewing of it exactly right.

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And to be honest, I’m very non-scientific. I’m scientific about my baseline brew.

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But I’m very non-scientific about what changes I make, and I can’t even tell you what they are.

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I just kind of go by feel, and then it turns out better, and I’m like,

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“Hey, this coffee’s better than I thought because I brewed it right this time.”

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So I think so. Right now, this one’s a tiny bit bitterer than I would like,

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but my assumption is that I just need a few less… I need less grams of beans for this one compared

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to other ones maybe, and I think it would be really good. I think if I just dropped a couple

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grams of beans off the list and maybe… yeah, probably that was the biggest thing. Cool,

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all right. I don’t change a whole lot else. So, it is Sunday, but I do have things going on today,

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so let’s stay on track. I’m not bailing on you, but I am trying to keep us focused. So,

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So what else is next? Talk to me about the Google Drive user interface.

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Yeah, I think I lost a follower on Mastodon because I was saying that Google has never

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been able to design a UI to save their lives because I think they just fundamentally don’t

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understand human beings, which I think is a fair assessment.

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Have you used Microsoft OneDrive or SharePoint? Yeah.

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Have you used SharePoint? Yeah, I’ve used SharePoint. I hate SharePoint.

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Okay. I mean, I not just calm yourself. I can see your blood pressure.

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So I can see your pulse already pulsing through your ATP cat. Just calm down,

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calm down, calm down. No, in all seriousness, what I’m saying is I agree with you.

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Google drives, UI is a little bit crap,

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but then I compare it to one of those times when I have to use SharePoint and

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I’m like, Oh my God, this is so much worse.

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But at least with SharePoint, if you say add a document, it says, Oh,

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we’re in a certain folder.

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Maybe I should add that document here and it adds it there.

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Google Drive, you make a copy of an existing document

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that’s in the friends with beer folder.

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Which is the folder that I share with you?

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So that you can see it.

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Yeah.

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Now, if I just make a copy of our template

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and I start making show notes for today,

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do you think Peter Nikolaidis is going to be able to see it?

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No, because it doesn’t put it in the same drive.

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It doesn’t put it in the friends with beer folder.

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it puts it up in my personal drive in the root directory so that Peter cannot see it,

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because that seems like the most logical reason I’d want to copy a file is to move it the hell away,

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not to change it slightly. It makes perfect sense. Why, Peter? They’re the only one that do that,

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as far as I know. Yeah, I cannot tell you why that would happen. And then at least when you go to

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SharePoint as slow and abominable and horrible as it is, it presents you with the stuff that

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the people want to be in each view. You get there, there’s some links, there’s some folders,

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blah blah blah, you go into the folders, the stuff is there, nothing moves around. You

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go to drive.google.com and it says, “I’m going to show them a dashboard of the amazing things

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that they don’t know exists.“ Yeah, not only do I not know they exist, I don’t want to

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know they exist. I’m looking for my folder. I don’t care about all that other stuff that

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somebody shared with me five billion years ago. I don’t care about the wallpaper that some idiot

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put in Google Drive instead of posting on a website. I don’t want it. I want my friends

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with beer folder. Show me that. How about show me the folders? They’re directly in my…

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So let me play Google’s advocate here for a second.

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Oh my god, you ass.

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one person could argue, and this is hilarious, right?

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That what they’re doing is more privacy.

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I can’t even stay with the straight face.

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By hiding your own stuff from you?

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Well, no, hiding it so that hiding it so that I don’t get,

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so you make a copy of it and I don’t see the copy by default.

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That part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you get to make your copy,

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but just in case you didn’t want to overshare.

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Okay.

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then what I need to do is test to see if that is the same way in non-shared folders

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because if it does the same thing with a non-shared folder then that is wrong.

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But that’s a point that I never thought of.

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So let me go to my drive.

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Yep, I’m going to make a new folder.

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New folder.

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I’m going to make a test.

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Testing.

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Yes, Google is very testing.

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Testing.

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Now I’m going to make a new document.

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Okay, so I go to untitled documents.

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So where does it, oh, I see what the problem is.

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The problem is that Google Drive and Google Docs

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want to be two separate things.

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Hmm.

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And so now when I say, hi, that’s the name of my document,

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saved to Drive, so now I want to go back to Drive.

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Oh, it did save it in testing.

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Okay, you know what?

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Good troubleshooting.

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You’re the software tester today, not me.

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That is exactly what Google’s doing.

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Believe me, when it comes to software, I can be testing.

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Oh, you’re very testing.

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I am testing.

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I can be trying, too.

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But see, normally I think of all the weird test cases.

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I didn’t even think about the fact

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that because it was a shared folder–

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yeah.

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OK.

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Good to know.

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You’re welcome.

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Brilliant.

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Thank you.

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Wow.

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Wait, I want you to mark this down.

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Scott Wilsey is admiring Peter Nikolaidis’ technical skills

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today.

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What?

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Yeah, OK.

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Thanks.

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I thought it was a nice thing.

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Ah.

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Okay, so we solved that mystery. That’s actually-

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Yay! You’re welcome.

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Alright, people.

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So, Peter is your, uh, consultant.

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Oh, man.

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Oh, oh, oh.

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I, uh, just-

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Last night, I forgot to tell you.

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I got a, uh, an email from, uh, our friends over at Meta

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asking if, um, I wanted to, uh, interview for their security engineering team.

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[Gasp]

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Oh my god. Are you serious?

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Mm-hmm.

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And you said, “No, you’re holding out to be on Twitter’s security team?”

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I might just do that. I might just do that. That’d be awesome. Oh, man.

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I have not responded. Anyway.

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That’s okay. That’s very minimal.

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Carry on. Yeah, carry on.

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Maybe you could get the goggles. You could be a virtual world security guy. You could

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bumble around as an avatar typing cookie.

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Type cookie, you idiot.

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[laughter]

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Oh boy.

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Okay, so you and I both use rectangle.

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And I believe that you have paid for it by now? Or not?

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I have to check. I meant to.

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It’s a separate download.

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I know, I know. Let me just check.

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About… I was gonna say, if you haven’t downloaded something separate…

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I have not yet purchased the Pro.

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Nope, I’m still running just plain old rectangle.

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I did at one point get as far as going to the website, and then…

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I got distracted somehow.

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somehow. I’m also drinking a Gatorade Zero which I’m not going to put in the

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show notes or in the brews sections. Not technically a brew so… It’s a chemical

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disguised as a sports drink. Okay well what I wanted to talk about with

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rectangle is it definitely solves some problems that I feel like Apple should

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have solved themselves. Okay. Basic window management that you know Apple should

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have thought of. Stage manager is not the answer and I know that some people like

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it, happy for you. So very, very happy for you. Not sharing that opinion. And I have

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reasons why, but we’re not here to talk about Stage Manager. If anyone feeds back at us

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and says, “Oh my God, Stage Manager, amazing, lolz. I have reasons why no person with an

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orderly mind would use Stage Manager.“ But, see how I’m not talking about Stage Manager?

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Let’s talk about rectangle. So what’s your use case? What are the shortcuts that you

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the most? What do you find the most useful about it that Mac OS doesn’t have

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built in natively?

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Admittedly, I don’t spend as much time moving back and forth

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between a Windows computer keyboard and a Mac keyboard anymore. That said, I don’t

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like when I become overly reliant on keyboard shortcuts that I can’t port

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back and forth. Now my brain and thumbs have been trained so that I can use control whatever when

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I’m sitting on a Windows keyboard and command whatever when I’m sitting at a Mac. That much I

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can do easily. I still sometimes strip on that. But remembering like control option shift caret,

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you know, whatever. Those are like, I’m never going to. So what I do is I have largely a default

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rectangular rectangular rectangle configuration and I use it with the hot zones I guess they’re

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called when you move like the the window so if I want to take the current window I’m in

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where it leaps to a certain position yeah so like I’ll take this facetime window I’m looking at you

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in right now and drag it to the top of my screen and it doesn’t almost maximize right a zoom to

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like full screen yeah yeah yeah and then I’ll take it and bring it to the right edge the right or

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rightmost edge and let it go there. Now you take up the right half of my screen. And if I take it

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down to the bottom center of my window and let it go there, it takes up the middle third of the

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screen. So those are the features that I’m using mostly. I haven’t, I guess you can do like custom

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layouts where you can put like this window in this special area and stuff, which I just haven’t gotten

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around to yet. I do that in Windows when I use PowerToys. They have, I think it’s called

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Zones, desktop zones, and I like that because like when I’m gaming for instance, I have a zone like

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the gaming window will be here, my Discord window will be here, and a preview window with the rule

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book will be here and just like snaps them all right in the perfect place and I like that.

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Yeah.

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Haven’t gotten around to that with rectangle yet.

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So I do have some, I do have a couple layouts saved.

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The one thing is it requires me to have the programs already open,

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but if I have those programs open and I hit that key shortcut, they will go to their places.

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Now, the one thing about macOS that it is fairly good at is

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those apps already remember their places, so I don’t actually have to trigger that shortcut.

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Right. Yep. So overall, I like it. I definitely will, you know, it’s worth the $9.

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Like I had mentioned this either on a previous episode of this episode of this show or was it Blurring the Lines?

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I don’t remember but I had mentioned that I purchased Moom from Many Tricks

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Which I had heard about from John Chidgey over at the Engineered Network

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Right, and then I purchased it which I had heard about from Peter Nikolaidis at the Blurring with Lines and Friends with Brews podcast

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But Rectangle seemed to work better for me and it was easier for me to get started and more intuitive

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So yeah, it’s stuck in my brain. Yeah, it’s absolutely worth, you know, the $9 or whatever to buy the pro

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I should I’m just gonna do that on the podcast today, you know, that’s what I’m gonna do

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I think gentlemen Peter Nikolaidis is going to recite his credit card number into the microphone

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Wouldn’t go that far but what I will say I do have one complaint about it. Somebody’s having a case of the Mondays

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Where and it’s only Tuesday. I mean, it’s only Sunday. I mean, whatever Wow, don’t rush my days off away

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What I will say is one problem I have is with so I use virtual desktops and

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it will and I also use my

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iPad as a secondary display. Oh, oh, I’ve never tried that. Is that continuity? What is that called?

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I think I don’t remember if that’s continuity. It’s not universal control

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Universally control is when you’re controlling it but not using it as an extended display

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So I just use that as an extended to so it’s not universe but is it universal desktop?

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I don’t even remember doesn’t matter. So it’s literally just functioning as a display at just a display, correct?

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You can do either way. You’re not sliding over to it using iPad apps. It’s displaying whatever’s on your Mac, correct?

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It’s strictly just a display. That’s all you’re using it for. I think that’s continuity display. That might be however

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There’s a problem with that is if I have virtual desktops

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Let’s just imagine I’m on my main desktop on my Mac. That’s in the center

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I have a virtual desktop to the right,

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and I have my iPad to the left, okay?

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So from left to right, I have iPad,

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main display, virtual display.

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If I drag a window to the far right window, boom,

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rectangle snaps it to take up the right half of the screen.

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No, I take that back.

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I take that back.

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If I drag it to the far left where the iPad is,

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Rectangle will snap it to the left half of the screen if I drag it to the right side car it it

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Drags to the virtual display off to the right

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I move the application from the main display to the side to the secondary just virtual display

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Yeah, and I can’t drag it back

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I have to invoke the the desktop

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You know virtual desktops thing at the top with like three fingers swipe up on my trackpad

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And then I have to drag it back to desktop one

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Haven’t gotten around to figure out if that’s a configuration problem if that’s a bug or whatnot. That’s my one complaint about

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Rectangle other than that. It’s it’s really cool and easily worth a few bucks

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speaking of trackpad since he brought it up, I will say so I have a

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What are you I have a Logitech M7 something Pro. I don’t know. It’s a decent mouse

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Mm-hmm, and I like the mouse for the most part

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But I also have a trackpad a magic trackpad sitting here on my left hand side of my keyboard and it’s only there for

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for those type of gestures that you’re talking about okay, and

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Because they’re kind of magic if you remember them, they’re amazing

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Yeah, a lot of people don’t like spaces where you maximize

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You know you maximize a window really maximize not just maximize so that you can still see the menu bar and the and the dock

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But it takes over the entire screen and it goes to its own separate place and you have to go sideways to get there

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That’s spaces, right?

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The nice thing about spaces is if you use three fingers

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You can swipe side to side between your apps and it is so much faster than command tabbing and finding the app in the command tab

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List absolutely. Yeah, it’s left swipe right swipe. It’s great

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Yes

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And I get that people I get that the downside of it is if you have a bunch of them in

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spaces, if you have a bunch of spaces, each with their own app, you may be swiping for

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a while before you find the one you want.

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I do agree that that could be better.

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But if I just have a couple things, like VS Code is in there, Mail is in there, then I’ve

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got like two, then I’ve only got to swipe four times max or three times max for that

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scenario and it’s great.

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It’s just super great.

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And because I have the MacBook Pro now, when I’m using it as a laptop, it’s ready.

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When I’m at my desk I’ve got the trackpad here, it’s ready.

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I agree with you that for me Rectangle Pro makes the Mac, makes my Mac use and my Windows

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use very functionally equivalent.

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The keystrokes are different, but that’s fine, they’re very simple.

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And I keep forgetting about the zones that you’re talking about where you pull the window

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and then it snaps, it does its thing.

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I use the keyboard shortcuts for the stuff that I do the most often.

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And the things that I do the most often are maximize this window, make this window take

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up the top quarter of the screen, make this window take up the left half of the screen,

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make this window take up the right half of the screen. Those are the things I do the

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most. And that very much mirrors my Windows use where I want this window to hop over to

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this monitor. I want this window on this monitor. I want this window to take up the full screen.

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I want this window to not take up the full screen. So very, very similar. And those things

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are built into Windows. If I wanted to do what you do and have my layouts and my zones,

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that would require the Pro Tools.

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What are they called?

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The Pro, what are they called?

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The tools?

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Microsoft Powertoys.

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Powertoys.

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Powertoys.

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Yeah, and I actually installed Powertoys at one point

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because I didn’t know some of the built-in

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windowing shortcuts in Windows.

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And then I was showing Mark, a guy I work with,

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and he’s like, “Oh, but what about the Windows shift

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arrow key or the Windows arrow key or the Windows shift

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arrow if you want to go a different monitor?“

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I tried it and I’m like,

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Okay, I’m uninstalling power toys.

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So I just installed

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Rectangle Pro while you were talking and I

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disabled old rectangle on pro rectangle amateur

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Yeah, I am now looking at looks like I had pretty much the default configuration

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So that’s good because I don’t need to relearn any shortcuts or anything like that. So that’s pretty good. So yeah, that’s pretty cool

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Here’s a here’s a power tip about rectangle. That is nice

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So if you if you look at the menu bar thing and you click on it

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You’re looking at all those different options. You’ll notice that next display and previous display are there but they don’t have keyboard shortcuts

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Now I’m sure that you can assign keyboard shortcuts, but here’s another trick

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let’s say you’re like me and you’ve got an Apple Studio display and then your laptop displays off to the left and

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Messages let’s say opens up on your studio display

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But you really want it off on the MacBook Pro display because you’re not gonna look at it that often

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and you want it visible but out of your way. You don’t have to use that. What you

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can do is say, “Hey, I want this to use the left half,” and you just keep hitting the

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left half keyboard shortcut until it moves its way over to the left half on

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the second monitor. It’ll go to the second monitor. It won’t just keep trying

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to do it on the first monitor. On the second attempt it’ll go, “Hey, he must

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want this on the second monitor.“ And it’s kind of weird because it’ll go from the

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left half on the first monitor to the right half on the second monitor, then to

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right half, then to the left half on the second monitor. But it works really nice. So it’s like

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basically hitting it twice instead of once or whatever. Okay, fair enough. Let’s talk a little

00:27:19.240 –> 00:27:25.720
more about a couple more things on similar veins to what we’re talking about. Okay. In addition to

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Moom, which I did not buy, about three years ago, I did buy Witch, W-I-T-C-H, also from ManyTricks,

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the same author. And it’s essentially a better task manager, like an alt or a command tab replacement.

00:27:41.400 –> 00:27:43.240
Oh okay, let’s hear about that.

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Well, I contacted the developer and I was complaining because recently I’ve not been

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able to use Witch because it just times out. Like I’ll hit command tab, it takes a beat or 10 for it

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to show up and then I see all of the apps and then it just scrolls through all of them and

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slams up against the last one in the task list and then I let go of I can’t move like I can’t command

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shift or move back around so essentially anytime I hit command tab it will always go to the last

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program running and so he asked me like what programs are you running and do you have a lot

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of windows open so I took a screenshot of everything and I was like yep well here’s a

00:28:27.240 –> 00:28:32.760
simple list of, you know, like all this stuff. And the response was to the tune of, yeah, you’re using

00:28:32.760 –> 00:28:38.520
a lot of apps that use a lot of resources. So we can’t really handle that. I’ll fix that in version

00:28:38.520 –> 00:28:46.280
five, but that’s down the road. But he did get this three years later, he offered to refund my purchase.

00:28:46.280 –> 00:28:48.360
After three years of trying to solve your problem?

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Well, I only reported it this week.

00:28:51.320 –> 00:28:54.760
And after three years of trying to learn Swift UI? Oh, okay. Nevermind. Sorry.

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So…

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Rob, if you’re listening, Scott’s the one being a jerk to you, not me.

00:29:04.120 –> 00:29:05.160
I’m not being a jerk to you.

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I’m just asking questions.

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I did not take him up on the offer.

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I wrote him back and I said, “No, I’ve gotten value for your program.”

00:29:11.440 –> 00:29:12.680
It was like nine bucks again or something.

00:29:12.680 –> 00:29:14.200
I was like, “No, I got value from it.”

00:29:14.200 –> 00:29:15.200
Oh, for sure.

00:29:15.200 –> 00:29:18.240
And not only that, you bothered him for at least $9 worth of support.

00:29:18.240 –> 00:29:19.240
Absolutely.

00:29:19.240 –> 00:29:20.240
You know?

00:29:20.240 –> 00:29:27.280
said there’s another program that I used also called share mouse. Never share your mouse with

00:29:27.280 –> 00:29:33.760
another person. Never share your mouse, but I do share it with another computer. Now I had for a

00:29:33.760 –> 00:29:40.800
long time would have multiple desktops or laptops on my desktop, my physical desktop. And I was using

00:29:40.800 –> 00:29:46.800
a program called synergy back in the day. This is like more than 10 years ago. And then synergy was,

00:29:46.800 –> 00:29:51.200
it was an open source product, it was free, blah, blah, blah. It was great. And then the author

00:29:51.200 –> 00:29:55.280
wanted to, you know, like take a commercial and I guess there’s still a free version,

00:29:55.280 –> 00:30:01.120
but there’s a commercial version. I just didn’t like the direction in which he was taking it. And

00:30:01.120 –> 00:30:06.720
the communications coming out of him were just like, eh, I don’t like that. So I ended up moving

00:30:06.720 –> 00:30:14.000
to, um, share mouse, which unlike synergy, I think synergy was Mac Linux and windows. And I believe

00:30:14.000 –> 00:30:16.460
I believe ShareMouse is just Mac and Windows,

00:30:16.460 –> 00:30:19.060
but I don’t have a Linux desktop anymore, so it was fine.

00:30:19.060 –> 00:30:20.440
And I was able to pay for support,

00:30:20.440 –> 00:30:22.700
and it generally worked pretty well.

00:30:22.700 –> 00:30:25.540
But I’ve recently found out that Barrier

00:30:25.540 –> 00:30:30.300
is apparently a Synergy fork, and it is free open source.

00:30:30.300 –> 00:30:34.500
So my ShareMouse paid subscription is about to end up,

00:30:34.500 –> 00:30:37.180
it’s about to expire sometime, I think,

00:30:37.180 –> 00:30:38.820
around Christmas or something.

00:30:38.820 –> 00:30:42.620
And I’m planning on pivoting over to Barrier at that time.

00:30:42.620 –> 00:30:46.260
I’ll be testing it between a Windows PC and a Mac.

00:30:46.260 –> 00:30:48.900
So barrier instead of share mouse.

00:30:48.900 –> 00:30:49.900
Okay.

00:30:49.900 –> 00:30:50.900
Instead of Synergy.

00:30:50.900 –> 00:30:51.900
So yes.

00:30:51.900 –> 00:30:53.900
Is share mouse one word or two?

00:30:53.900 –> 00:30:54.900
Yep, one word.

00:30:54.900 –> 00:30:56.980
And I believe with like the studly caps, I believe it’s a capital M.

00:30:56.980 –> 00:30:58.820
Oh no, they’ve got a space in there.

00:30:58.820 –> 00:30:59.980
No, they don’t.

00:30:59.980 –> 00:31:05.020
Oh, the title on the website looks like, not the title, but the logo on the website looks

00:31:05.020 –> 00:31:07.580
like it, but in their copy text they say one word.

00:31:07.580 –> 00:31:08.580
Yeah.

00:31:08.580 –> 00:31:11.460
Definitely, capital S, capital M. Definitely share mouse.

00:31:11.460 –> 00:31:17.620
So overall it works pretty well, but for random, for reasons I don’t know of, like it’ll randomly

00:31:17.620 –> 00:31:21.820
lose the connection on both systems and I just have to restart it on both and then it

00:31:21.820 –> 00:31:22.960
just works again.

00:31:22.960 –> 00:31:24.100
So what’s the one you’re going to?

00:31:24.100 –> 00:31:25.100
Sorry.

00:31:25.100 –> 00:31:26.100
I’m going to try Barrier.

00:31:26.100 –> 00:31:27.100
The Barrier Reef?

00:31:27.100 –> 00:31:28.600
Uh, no Reef, just Barrier.

00:31:28.600 –> 00:31:30.420
And this is Mac utility only?

00:31:30.420 –> 00:31:32.100
Nope, this is cross-platform.

00:31:32.100 –> 00:31:33.940
I believe it’s Mac Windows Linux.

00:31:33.940 –> 00:31:37.860
Oh, this is probably this GitHub thing.

00:31:37.860 –> 00:31:39.860
Debauchy Barrier.

00:31:39.860 –> 00:31:42.220
Debauchery.

00:31:42.220 –> 00:31:43.420
So all of these are like,

00:31:43.420 –> 00:31:47.300
Sharemouse was like $69 for three years,

00:31:47.300 –> 00:31:48.380
I want to say or something.

00:31:48.380 –> 00:31:50.420
But the other things, you know, Rectangle,

00:31:50.420 –> 00:31:53.180
Moom, Witch, Barrier, they’re all like, or even Barrier,

00:31:53.180 –> 00:31:55.220
I don’t think Barrier has a commercial offering.

00:31:55.220 –> 00:31:56.360
You know, we’re talking like 10 bucks.

00:31:56.360 –> 00:31:57.380
What do you mean for three?

00:31:57.380 –> 00:32:00.780
Sharemouse did like three year subscription.

00:32:00.780 –> 00:32:04.620
Oh, that’s a weird, that’s a weird deal, dude.

00:32:04.620 –> 00:32:05.780
Yeah, it’s a business thing though.

00:32:05.780 –> 00:32:07.620
I mean, they give me a discount.

00:32:07.620 –> 00:32:10.380
I understand the whole subscription thing,

00:32:10.380 –> 00:32:13.420
but what I mean is to do a three year,

00:32:13.420 –> 00:32:15.120
okay, I get it, I get what they’re doing.

00:32:15.120 –> 00:32:17.420
It’s just an unusual proposition.

00:32:17.420 –> 00:32:20.120
Usually they give you a year and if you pay for the year,

00:32:20.120 –> 00:32:22.680
you get a slight discount or maybe not,

00:32:22.680 –> 00:32:25.000
but you pay for a year at a time or you can pay monthly,

00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:26.420
but three year, that’s bold.

00:32:26.420 –> 00:32:30.000
You can do, I’m pretty sure you could do a year at a time.

00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:32.060
I think I bought three because I was like, you know,

00:32:32.060 –> 00:32:33.200
I’ll just get a discount.

00:32:33.200 –> 00:32:34.320
Oh, okay, gotcha.

00:32:34.320 –> 00:32:38.340
So anyway, and ShareMouse does have a free version.

00:32:38.340 –> 00:32:40.080
But yeah, right now, ShareMouse Pro,

00:32:40.080 –> 00:32:42.580
one year of maintenance is 120 bucks.

00:32:42.580 –> 00:32:43.660
Uh-huh.

00:32:43.660 –> 00:32:45.340
I’m not gonna pay that.

00:32:45.340 –> 00:32:46.420
I wouldn’t think not.

00:32:46.420 –> 00:32:50.420
Unless I have such a bad experience with Barrier.

00:32:50.420 –> 00:32:51.780
Yeah, it looks, yeah.

00:32:51.780 –> 00:32:55.700
If I renew it, however, let me find out here.

00:32:55.700 –> 00:32:57.120
I’m curious what they’re looking to buy.

00:32:57.120 –> 00:32:59.620
Register license.

00:32:59.620 –> 00:33:02.540
Copy your license key.

00:33:02.540 –> 00:33:04.780
Yes, Peter, copy your license key.

00:33:04.780 –> 00:33:06.260
Is this 21?

00:33:06.260 –> 00:33:07.380
Or is this 22?

00:33:07.380 –> 00:33:08.780
’Cause I have one that we’re editing

00:33:08.780 –> 00:33:10.460
that I haven’t published yet.

00:33:10.460 –> 00:33:12.620
I thought this was 21.

00:33:12.620 –> 00:33:13.540
Yes, you’re right.

00:33:13.540 –> 00:33:15.180
20 is the one I’m editing.

00:33:15.180 –> 00:33:16.200
Jeez.

00:33:16.200 –> 00:33:17.820
Yeah, I just, I lose track.

00:33:17.820 –> 00:33:18.700
Tell you, it’s been a week.

00:33:18.700 –> 00:33:20.660
Like I said, I worked an extra 12.

00:33:20.660 –> 00:33:21.500
I tell ya, man.

00:33:21.500 –> 00:33:22.500
That I didn’t expect to.

00:33:22.500 –> 00:33:25.860
And I still did my workouts.

00:33:25.860 –> 00:33:27.140
I pulled an all-nighter,

00:33:27.140 –> 00:33:28.560
then I worked eight more hours that day,

00:33:28.560 –> 00:33:30.620
then I still did two hours of workouts that night.

00:33:30.620 –> 00:33:31.460
Come on.

00:33:31.460 –> 00:33:32.280
Wow.

00:33:32.280 –> 00:33:39.780
Wow. I don’t make excuses and say I’m not going to work out. Now, yesterday was a day off, but that’s because I was way overdue for a day off.

00:33:39.780 –> 00:33:46.280
Of fitness, not of work. I did work yesterday. For a lot longer than I expected to, by the way.

00:33:46.280 –> 00:33:57.280
Alright. Well, hey. I’ve been taking it easy and blatantly not doing nearly as much exercise because I’ve messed up my knee again and I want the damn thing to get better.

00:33:57.280 –> 00:34:02.280
Right. I scared myself. A couple days ago, all of a sudden I had a pain right under my knee.

00:34:02.280 –> 00:34:06.280
And it felt weird. And now it’s completely gone.

00:34:06.280 –> 00:34:13.280
I could still run, but when I was walking around I would feel it. It scared me. I thought, “Oh no, I haven’t had knee problems in forever.”

00:34:13.280 –> 00:34:16.280
But then it went away. And I think, you know what I think it was from, literally?

00:34:16.280 –> 00:34:22.280
I was doing a treadmill run, and I was tired, and I was bored, and I was running at a decent pace,

00:34:22.280 –> 00:34:25.560
and I just started going side to side like a loose skater or something.

00:34:25.560 –> 00:34:28.760
I was just kind of running side to side on the treadmill. Just don’t know why.

00:34:28.760 –> 00:34:32.200
I was listening to some music to get me motivated and I was kind of getting into it.

00:34:32.200 –> 00:34:36.680
So I was darting side to side. And I think that lateral action on my knee is probably what did it.

00:34:36.680 –> 00:34:39.720
It started like a day and a half after that and then now it’s gone.

00:34:39.720 –> 00:34:44.280
So you know something I don’t really care for that much?

00:34:44.280 –> 00:34:45.480
Treadmills?

00:34:45.480 –> 00:34:46.760
GitHub.

00:34:46.760 –> 00:34:47.960
Oh.

00:34:47.960 –> 00:34:51.000
Like when I land on a GitHub project page.

00:34:51.560 –> 00:34:52.060
Yep.

00:34:52.060 –> 00:34:57.460
I have no freaking clue how to download the program.

00:34:57.460 –> 00:35:00.300
Okay, I used to be that way, but what they assume is–

00:35:00.300 –> 00:35:00.960
Help me.

00:35:00.960 –> 00:35:02.800
Let’s click on the Barrier Link, for example.

00:35:02.800 –> 00:35:05.000
That’s exactly where I went. Where do I go?

00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:06.960
You’re on a desktop browser, right?

00:35:06.960 –> 00:35:07.460
Yep.

00:35:07.460 –> 00:35:10.600
So here’s why they make this more confusing.

00:35:10.600 –> 00:35:14.260
And I didn’t figure this out until I learned how to use Git.

00:35:14.260 –> 00:35:15.060
Got it.

00:35:15.060 –> 00:35:17.060
Once I start using Git, that problem goes away,

00:35:17.060 –> 00:35:18.400
because you’re just gonna clone the thing,

00:35:18.400 –> 00:35:23.240
and you’re gonna do it from a command line probably, or a Git client.

00:35:23.240 –> 00:35:27.800
Right, but if you are producing software…

00:35:27.800 –> 00:35:34.480
I guess, okay, if the intention is to make sure that end users never see your code on

00:35:34.480 –> 00:35:37.320
your program, then Git is awesome.

00:35:37.320 –> 00:35:38.560
But if you just want to download…

00:35:38.560 –> 00:35:39.560
Never see your code.

00:35:39.560 –> 00:35:43.480
Yeah, I want to download an executable and install it on two of my machines.

00:35:43.480 –> 00:35:46.240
Oh, Git Hub’s horrible for that.

00:35:46.240 –> 00:35:47.240
That’s what I’m talking about.

00:35:47.240 –> 00:35:51.680
Like right now, today, I don’t want-look, I can’t compile anything on my Windows machine.

00:35:51.680 –> 00:35:52.680
I don’t have a compiler.

00:35:52.680 –> 00:35:54.760
I don’t want the code for this project.

00:35:54.760 –> 00:35:57.240
I just want to install it on my Windows machine.

00:35:57.240 –> 00:36:00.640
So for me as an end user right now, I’m like, “WTF, mate?”

00:36:00.640 –> 00:36:03.680
Okay, now just because you’re downloading it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to

00:36:03.680 –> 00:36:04.840
have to compile it.

00:36:04.840 –> 00:36:07.560
You can make a release with a binary executable in it.

00:36:07.560 –> 00:36:08.560
Right.

00:36:08.560 –> 00:36:10.800
And if I could find that easily, I’d be a much happier user.

00:36:10.800 –> 00:36:12.960
Okay, well that depends on the project.

00:36:12.960 –> 00:36:13.960
Exactly.

00:36:13.960 –> 00:36:18.160
In terms of just downloading the Git repo, you click the code button and then you have options.

00:36:18.160 –> 00:36:21.660
Do you want to clone this? Do you want to open it with GitHub desktop, which no one ever does?

00:36:21.660 –> 00:36:23.660
Or do you want to download a zip file?

00:36:23.660 –> 00:36:28.160
As far as whether or not there’s a binary available, that’s if they create a package.

00:36:28.160 –> 00:36:29.160
Exactly.

00:36:29.160 –> 00:36:34.360
Right. And this one says no package is published. So that means that you download this source.

00:36:34.360 –> 00:36:36.160
There is a dist folder here.

00:36:36.160 –> 00:36:39.660
And if I look in the dist folder, I see a Mac OS bundle.

00:36:39.660 –> 00:36:43.160
When I scroll down, I see a clean build.bat.

00:36:43.160 –> 00:36:46.800
Under bundle there’s a barrier dot app. What the heck is Wix?

00:36:46.800 –> 00:36:51.360
I don’t know, but I don’t care. But here’s where it is right here. If you go to this bundle

00:36:51.360 –> 00:36:55.820
But I do care because I also want to run this on Windows and I see a batch file

00:36:55.820 –> 00:36:57.940
I would assume it’s that Wix thing.

00:36:57.940 –> 00:37:03.280
I don’t know what the heck those things are. Barrier dot SLN. Yeah.

00:37:03.280 –> 00:37:06.980
I don’t know but that sounds like a gap in our knowledge not a gap in his process

00:37:09.300 –> 00:37:12.660
Sure, okay. Give the guy the, you know, the benefit of the doubt.

00:37:12.660 –> 00:37:17.540
This is my normal experience. When I go to a GitHub project, I feel like an idiot.

00:37:17.540 –> 00:37:19.140
Yeah, no, I get it.

00:37:19.140 –> 00:37:25.460
There’s a clean build.bat file, and it says it uses CMake.

00:37:25.460 –> 00:37:27.620
Wix is a window installer XML.

00:37:27.620 –> 00:37:29.700
Windows installer XML. Okay.

00:37:29.700 –> 00:37:34.500
Wix was the first Microsoft project to be released under an open source license.

00:37:34.500 –> 00:37:36.100
Interesting.

00:37:36.100 –> 00:37:42.660
So it sounds really old and I don’t know what you do once you download that onto your device.

00:37:42.660 –> 00:37:47.860
The Mac OS one has an app already built so you don’t have to do anything.

00:37:47.860 –> 00:37:52.900
Somebody wrote an article that said that it’s incredibly easy to install with pre-compiled

00:37:52.900 –> 00:37:54.900
binaries for Windows. Okay.

00:37:54.900 –> 00:37:59.940
And I’m like, okay, where are they? So I’m just going to put it this way. It

00:37:59.940 –> 00:38:04.660
looks to me like the Mac OS one is super easy to do. The Windows one, there’s something you

00:38:04.660 –> 00:38:09.460
have to understand and I haven’t looked to see what the Linux options are under dist. RPM.

00:38:09.460 –> 00:38:20.500
So on a page, okay so I did find a page it’s DeBarrier, oh it’s the wiki page. So you go to

00:38:20.500 –> 00:38:30.100
github.com/debocibarrierwiki and there I see packaging status. So I see a bunch of things

00:38:30.100 –> 00:38:40.420
there but here’s the funny thing I see win get I don’t see win doze and I don’t see Mac I see tons

00:38:40.420 –> 00:38:46.660
of Linux that wiki link is available it shows on everything it’s kind of up to the developer to do

00:38:46.660 –> 00:38:53.940
something with it yeah exactly so again this is like I said this is just you know he doesn’t seem

00:38:53.940 –> 00:38:59.780
to be going out of his way to make it easy for a Mac or Windows person to install this without

00:38:59.780 –> 00:39:05.140
downloading the code, etc, etc. Oh my god, you have to install… that’s because this project

00:39:05.140 –> 00:39:09.620
requires a bunch of stuff that I don’t want on my computer. You have to install Qt for Windows.

00:39:09.620 –> 00:39:15.940
I don’t want that. I hell as much don’t want that on my Mac. I would never do this.

00:39:15.940 –> 00:39:22.340
Dependency hell. Right. Now the nice thing about with Mac is you can install those dependencies

00:39:22.340 –> 00:39:28.180
with Homebrew. Right. If you want them in the first place. If you want them. I don’t want them.

00:39:28.180 –> 00:39:33.980
I don’t know why I have such a barrier against QT, but it just seems like one of those things that all the apps that want it make me mad.

00:39:33.980 –> 00:39:40.320
And so, and I don’t want QT. It’s an old, it’s an outmoded, look, I have a GUI already, let me use it!

00:39:40.320 –> 00:39:41.720
Mm-hmm.

00:39:41.720 –> 00:39:42.220
So.

00:39:42.220 –> 00:39:46.220
Ahh, so maybe I’m not gonna, I don’t know, though, 120 bucks.

00:39:46.220 –> 00:39:53.420
Oh, and that, that seems to be my renewal price too, for ShareMouse, is $120 per year.

00:39:53.420 –> 00:39:56.020
That seems high.

00:39:56.020 –> 00:39:57.720
Peter, I just want to say something.

00:39:57.720 –> 00:40:00.720
First of all, keep looking for other options.

00:40:00.720 –> 00:40:02.360
Secondly, I am looking.

00:40:02.360 –> 00:40:04.480
There is a reason this thing is called “barrier.”

00:40:04.480 –> 00:40:10.480
They throw up so many barriers to entry that it makes you furious that you even thought

00:40:10.480 –> 00:40:14.240
of using it, and it makes you furious that they even thought of you using it.

00:40:14.240 –> 00:40:15.480
Uh huh.

00:40:15.480 –> 00:40:17.160
Yeah, this is not.

00:40:17.160 –> 00:40:19.200
I wouldn’t do this one, that’s for sure.

00:40:19.200 –> 00:40:22.680
I might have to though, I don’t know man.

00:40:22.680 –> 00:40:26.400
I don’t know, I guess I have to figure how QT-averse am I.

00:40:26.400 –> 00:40:28.200
Very, it should be the correct answer.

00:40:28.200 –> 00:40:29.520
And here’s the other thing, Peter,

00:40:29.520 –> 00:40:31.840
how often are you actually gonna need this anymore?

00:40:31.840 –> 00:40:34.440
I use it fairly frequently.

00:40:34.440 –> 00:40:38.940
I definitely, so on my main, my main work setup now is

00:40:38.940 –> 00:40:42.240
I have a computer off to my left with a secondary display.

00:40:42.240 –> 00:40:44.180
That’s strictly for the hospital.

00:40:44.180 –> 00:40:46.480
It is air gapped, it’s completely separate.

00:40:46.480 –> 00:40:48.280
It’s not part of this equation.

00:40:48.280 –> 00:40:51.840
The rest of it, I have my MacBook Air primary display,

00:40:51.840 –> 00:40:56.240
and then I have my big widescreen connected to it.

00:40:56.240 –> 00:40:57.820
So I have those two.

00:40:57.820 –> 00:41:01.240
Off to the right, I have another Windows laptop,

00:41:01.240 –> 00:41:04.200
17 inch or 16 inch, 15 inch, I don’t even remember, big.

00:41:04.200 –> 00:41:05.420
How many computers are we up to now?

00:41:05.420 –> 00:41:06.980
Three, is that the third one?

00:41:06.980 –> 00:41:08.720
Three, yes.

00:41:08.720 –> 00:41:11.040
That’s the one I use the sharing with.

00:41:11.040 –> 00:41:15.080
My Logitech MX70 or whatever it is, don’t know.

00:41:15.080 –> 00:41:16.760
It’s got a button here

00:41:16.760 –> 00:41:19.460
and it’s got frequencies one, two, and three.

00:41:19.460 –> 00:41:21.680
Now I haven’t done this,

00:41:21.680 –> 00:41:26.080
but I think that by pairing at a certain frequency,

00:41:26.080 –> 00:41:29.480
which you can do with a specific computer.

00:41:29.480 –> 00:41:31.820
You could pair at the different frequency settings

00:41:31.820 –> 00:41:32.840
on each of your computers,

00:41:32.840 –> 00:41:34.300
and all you have to do is press that button once

00:41:34.300 –> 00:41:36.100
to transfer it to the other computer.

00:41:36.100 –> 00:41:40.680
But what about the keyboard?

00:41:40.680 –> 00:41:42.680
Oh, you didn’t say anything about a keyboard, Peter.

00:41:42.680 –> 00:41:46.280
Yeah, this is KVM sharing, is what we’re doing.

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We’re sharing the keyboard, the video,

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and the mouse switching.

00:41:49.360 –> 00:41:50.560
You just said mouse.

00:41:50.560 –> 00:41:54.360
So I’m looking at another one

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called Mouse Without Borders, but it’s Windows only.

00:41:57.720 –> 00:41:59.200
Mouse Without Borders. Multiplicity.

00:41:59.200 –> 00:42:01.040
It has a normal practice that it practices

00:42:01.040 –> 00:42:03.880
for like 50 years, and then once every 10 years,

00:42:03.880 –> 00:42:05.240
maybe it’ll go for a year to-

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Goes away on sabbatical.

00:42:06.520 –> 00:42:09.120
Right, and does the mouse without borders thing.

00:42:09.120 –> 00:42:10.400
Yep, exactly.

00:42:10.400 –> 00:42:12.040
Yeah, I don’t know.

00:42:12.040 –> 00:42:17.040
So it looks like Barrier, Synergy, and ShareMouse are like,

00:42:17.040 –> 00:42:19.320
that’s all I’m finding right now

00:42:19.320 –> 00:42:21.400
that’s actually cross-platform compatible.

00:42:21.400 –> 00:42:27.400
Synergy Virtual KVM. Yes. We didn’t talk about that one did we? Did you mention? No that was the

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one that I used and then I said the developer started and you know like took it in a direction

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I wasn’t really caring for. What do you mean it became a porn site? No he just like like I was

00:42:39.000 –> 00:42:44.520
getting he wanted to charge for it it wasn’t clear why I would want to do that and then all of a

00:42:44.520 –> 00:42:49.080
sudden I was getting like pictures of like hey look here’s our new office and there was a picture

00:42:49.080 –> 00:42:56.440
of two people sitting at a desk and I’m like, you want me to pay so you can have two people

00:42:56.440 –> 00:42:57.440
sitting at a desk?

00:42:57.440 –> 00:42:59.080
Yeah, he’s got employees, you dummy.

00:42:59.080 –> 00:43:00.080
When to stick with hardware?

00:43:00.080 –> 00:43:04.440
If you need to connect one monitor to multiple computers, you’ll still need a traditional

00:43:04.440 –> 00:43:05.440
KVM.

00:43:05.440 –> 00:43:06.700
Yeah, that’s not what I’m looking for.

00:43:06.700 –> 00:43:10.520
Because I like to share, like, I don’t like my hands on one keyboard and mouse.

00:43:10.520 –> 00:43:12.640
Yes, yeah, and you can turn your head.

00:43:12.640 –> 00:43:14.480
Yep, exactly.

00:43:14.480 –> 00:43:15.480
Anyway.

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Okay, so I’m clicking on Synergies by now.

00:43:19.120 –> 00:43:22.040
I see $29 lifetime download access.

00:43:22.040 –> 00:43:23.920
That’s not that bad.

00:43:23.920 –> 00:43:26.220
29 for lifetime is not that bad.

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However, here’s the other thing too.

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Back when I was complaining about it,

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the reason I was complaining was like,

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there were a number of bugs that I had submitted.

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And instead of like seeing any progress

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on the bug fixing front, I was seeing like,

00:43:38.620 –> 00:43:40.700
we just bought an office kind of thing.

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So, so I was not, yeah.

00:43:42.840 –> 00:43:44.840
So that’s when I switched over to,

00:43:44.840 –> 00:43:45.960
I believe to ShareMouse.

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And that was maybe, I don’t know what the timeline is.

00:43:48.840 –> 00:43:53.280
That might be why ShareMouse or why barrier spun up.

00:43:53.280 –> 00:43:56.320
It might’ve been in, because it is a fork of Synergy.

00:43:56.320 –> 00:43:57.140
Is it?

00:43:57.140 –> 00:43:59.320
So does Synergy have QT in it?

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I don’t know.

00:44:00.160 –> 00:44:01.920
Well, if it does, I doubt it.

00:44:01.920 –> 00:44:02.860
Maybe it does.

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Wouldn’t surprise me.

00:44:04.120 –> 00:44:05.700
Welcome to World Class Productivity.

00:44:05.700 –> 00:44:08.800
Fortune 500 companies and over 2 million customers

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rely on Synergy every day, Peter,

00:44:10.640 –> 00:44:12.300
including Pixar and Apple,

00:44:12.300 –> 00:44:14.360
two companies that you may have heard of.

00:44:14.360 –> 00:44:15.720
Huh.

00:44:15.720 –> 00:44:18.680
There’s a Scott with one T that gave a good review to it.

00:44:18.680 –> 00:44:20.480
I can’t trust him because he’s got,

00:44:20.480 –> 00:44:22.640
he doesn’t have the right number of Ts.

00:44:22.640 –> 00:44:23.920
Skeet.

00:44:23.920 –> 00:44:26.080
Skeeter, mosquito.

00:44:26.080 –> 00:44:27.720
Yeah. Mosquito loves it.

00:44:27.720 –> 00:44:32.160
Yeah. So I’m kinda, yeah, I’m kinda torn here.

00:44:32.160 –> 00:44:33.000
I don’t know.

00:44:33.000 –> 00:44:34.960
Peter, have you heard the good news about hardware KVMs?

00:44:34.960 –> 00:44:38.800
No, what are they?

00:44:38.800 –> 00:44:39.620
Don’t know.

00:44:39.620 –> 00:44:40.520
But, and here’s the other thing,

00:44:40.520 –> 00:44:43.860
I don’t know if there are any KVMs modern enough

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to allow you to use Bluetooth devices with them.

00:44:46.320 –> 00:44:48.740
I’m sure there must be some adapters you can plug into them,

00:44:48.740 –> 00:44:50.900
but I never tried.

00:44:50.900 –> 00:44:54.320
No, I do have a hardware KVM on my desktop.

00:44:54.320 –> 00:44:55.480
I haven’t really used it though,

00:44:55.480 –> 00:44:58.280
since I had just two Windows machines on my desktop.

00:44:58.280 –> 00:45:00.520
And that’s where I would switch between like hospital one

00:45:00.520 –> 00:45:01.720
and non-hospital one.

00:45:01.720 –> 00:45:02.560
Yeah.

00:45:02.560 –> 00:45:03.600
So anyway.

00:45:03.600 –> 00:45:05.520
You know, some people have a day phone and a night phone.

00:45:05.520 –> 00:45:07.880
You’ve got a hospital computer and a non-hospital computer.

00:45:07.880 –> 00:45:09.120
Makes perfect sense.

00:45:09.120 –> 00:45:09.960
All right.

00:45:09.960 –> 00:45:12.920
Well, on that note, we should wrap this puppy up,

00:45:12.920 –> 00:45:15.160
Put a bow in it, et cetera, et cetera.

00:45:15.160 –> 00:45:17.440
Stick a fork in it, blah, blah, blah.

00:45:17.440 –> 00:45:18.280
Do the whole thing.

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Push the big red KVM button.

00:45:19.880 –> 00:45:22.040
Big red KVM button.

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Counting it, why don’t you count us down

00:45:23.640 –> 00:45:25.080
and then we’ll push the button.

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Three.

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I’m starting at three, is that okay?

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Click.