Episode 7 – Blurring the Beer

Scott: Hi, Peter, what’s happening?

Soundboard: We need to talk about your TPS reports.

Peter: This is being recorded?

Peter: I’m leaving.

Adam: You’re out of here.

Scott: My computer just gave me a very ominous warning.

Adam: Your mother’s gonna hear this.

Peter: Welcome, welcome to the first ever episode of Blurring the Beers.

Peter: I am your host, Peter Nicolaidis, and joining me for the first time ever, my co-hosts, Adam Bell and Scott Wilsey.

Peter: Wilsey, gentlemen, Adam, Scott, welcome.

Adam: Hello, Peter.

Scott: You kind of hissed at us there and I got scared.

Peter: I did kind of hiss just a little bit, but it was an intro hiss.

Peter: So wow, so this is historic, right?

Peter: So Adam and I have been recording Blurring the Lines for decades now.

Peter: Not decades, not decades, but years.

Peter: And Scott and I first recorded our first podcast together back in 2004.

Adam: So approaching a decade, more than a decade, almost two, almost two.

Adam: Oh, well it’s for people who aren’t good at math.

Scott: Yeah, that’s true.

Peter: In other words, Peter and I, if you have a GED, we’re approaching a decade.

Adam: It’s for the fifth third bankers.

Scott: Peter, you just lost the huge GED crowd.

Peter: Ah, that might cut into our tens of listeners.

Peter: So gentlemen, welcome.

Peter: So this is Blurring the Lines, Blurring the Beers, Beering the Lines, whatever you want to call it, a dual episode and two really good friends of mine whom I have met in person, Adam, a handful of times, Scott only once, but physically, approximation, I think we’ve spent, I’ve spent about the same amount of time with both of you.

Peter: And I think I’ve probably spent a comparable amount of time with each of you over internet correspondences.

Peter: So you both feel pretty comparable in the layer, the level of exposure that I’ve had to both of you.

Peter: Plus you’re both taller than me.

Peter: So there’s more of you, of each of you to expose.

Scott: Two things.

Scott: Number one, I’ve tried not to expose myself to you.

Scott: And number two, you got to tell us who you hugged more when you saw them in person.

Scott: Where’s there been more hugging?

Peter: I think it’s been comparable and that leads to a comparable amount of exposure.

Peter: I’m just saying.

Scott: It was fully clothed hugging.

Peter: Fully clothed hugging.

Peter: But before we go any further, gentlemen, we should introduce our beers for tonight.

Scott: See, I have to run downstairs and get mine.

Peter: Well, while you’re doing that, Adam, tell us what you’re drinking.

Adam: So I had to get a local beer.

Adam: So I have Tennessee Sipper, which is a Golden Light.

Adam: It is made by East Nashville Beer Works.

Adam: So eastnashbeerworks.com.

Peter: Sounds good.

Adam: Yeah, so it’s a lighter ale.

Adam: It’s only 4.5% alcohol.

Peter: Okay, I predict that I will be drunk under the table real soon because I am also drinking a local beer, but by that, I mean local to where I grew up, not to where I’m now.

Peter: I am drinking Burlington Beer Company’s Mochaccino.

Peter: Burlington Beer Company, as in Burlington, Vermont, not Burlington, Massachusetts.

Peter: This is a blonde milk stout with chocolate, coffee, vanilla and milk sugar.

Adam: Ooh.

Peter: And the folks, my fine, friendly brewmasters over at Omegang Breweries, you guys have some strong competition because I believe this may very well be my favorite beer.

Scott: Uh-oh, that’s saying a lot.

Peter: It is saying a lot.

Peter: It’s a 7%.

Peter: So it’s a little stronger than the stuff I’ve been drinking normally, but it’s not as strong as the 9.7% Three Philosophers Belgian Quad made by Omegang.

Adam: So a little beer education since we’re on the topic.

Peter: Well, you’re a brewer yourself, Adam, and I think you’ve brewed more beer than the rest of us, so tell us.

Adam: So why did they state that it had milk sugar?

Peter: Because lactose is not digestible by yeast, which leaves the sugar in it, which makes it sweeter.

Adam: You are a winner and you listened.

Peter: And it makes it delicious-er.

Peter: So Scott, what are you drinking?

Scott: I have a left-hand brewing.

Peter: Nitro milk stout.

Scott: Yeah, milk stout, nitro.

Scott: And I gotta tell you, I can taste the milk in this.

Scott: I really can.

Scott: Very smooth.

Scott: I really like it.

Peter: So it’s funny, we’re both, I don’t know if you caught it, because you were getting yours, but I’m also drinking a milk stout, but it’s a blonde milk stout.

Adam: Ironically, I almost chose a nitro stout.

Peter: I say we drink to that.

Peter: So first, so gentlemen, when you’re ready, I say cheers.

Adam: Salud.

Peter: Scott’s still pouring.

Adam: Jeez.

Scott: I’m still pouring.

Scott: Yeah, I know.

Adam: That’s pretty good.

Scott: So this is a Colorado beer.

Scott: Normally, I’m pretty much on the west coast, not necessarily intentionally, but there’s a lot of good west coast beers in the stores here.

Scott: But this is a Colorado.

Peter: This is so smooth.

Peter: It tastes like coffee and like chocolate and like milk and like beer.

Scott: You just described mine.

Scott: You just described my beer.

Peter: Yeah, except this one’s better.

Peter: I’ve had that one and I like it.

Peter: This one’s better.

Scott: OK, where can I get that one?

Peter: You can’t right now.

Peter: That’s the thing.

Peter: It’s a very small batch, very small brewery.

Peter: Supposedly, they may do one more run this year and that’ll be in late March.

Scott: OK, and you’re going to ship me some.

Peter: I hear I will try if I can get myself some.

Peter: That’s the first step.

Adam: You may have to drive it out there because it may be illegal to ship.

Adam: They’re so weird laws.

Scott: Really?

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: Well, now that I finally have a car back after an entire month, I’m not having my car.

Adam: You got your dad’s Ford van back?

Peter: Oh, God, don’t go there.

Scott: Adam, your timing was pretty good because you were actually celebrating the fact that he got his car back, whereas just a day ago you would have been rubbing it in that he hadn’t.

Scott: Yeah.

Soundboard: Haha, you don’t have a car.

Soundboard: Yeah, yeah.

Peter: So Tesla had my car in the shop for a month, a whole month.

Scott: But see, we’re not surprised.

Scott: You’re the only one here who seems surprised.

Peter: Well, it goes to the fact that like we here in the United States are used to having everything just in time on demand.

Scott: It’s true.

Scott: And flown in by drone.

Peter: Yeah, it really is a first world problem.

Peter: And that’s the whole, you know, this whole thing with supply chain stuff.

Peter: When I talk with my friends abroad, they’re like, oh, yeah, that’s pretty normal here.

Peter: Yeah, that’s normal.

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: So and I didn’t really think about that because, you know, I haven’t been really putting a ton of angst into supply chain shortages because it doesn’t help.

Peter: But I have had to try to plan around them from time to time.

Peter: And one of my largest clients who still buys computers and computer supplies for me, been on his case now for like a year telling them, you guys need to stock some things, even if it’s just like one or two laptops.

Peter: And it’s always, we need something right now.

Peter: We need something right now.

Peter: We need something right now.

Peter: I’m buying and reselling refurbished computers for the first time like ever, or at least for the first time in 20 years.

Peter: And they’re happy with them.

Peter: But I’m like, as long as you’re happy with them, there’s like a very, very small window of warranty on these and they’re not cheap.

Peter: So the price of stuff is kind of surprising.

Peter: It’s to the point, actually, where I’ve been thinking, should I sell my Tesla Model S and trade it in for something else like a Model Y or maybe a non-Tesla even?

Peter: I don’t know.

Scott: Oh, I was going to say something where you might be able to take you to an actual dealer, but that would put out the Tesla Y.

Peter: Well, if I take it to the only dealer I could take it to would probably be a Tesla dealer and they’re not going to give me much for it.

Scott: Look, I am not here to praise dealers, because in general dealerships are…

Scott: They’re not only a mixed bag, but they’re always trying to get money out of you when you take a car in for service or trying to convince you to spend $1,000 on something.

Scott: But at least most car manufacturers have a network in place where you can take your vehicle, you can get an estimate of how long it’s going to take.

Scott: It’s probably not going to take a month no matter what it is.

Scott: And there are some benefits to that.

Scott: And I don’t understand Tesla doesn’t have to go that far, but I don’t understand why they don’t make it closer to that experience.

Scott: I mean, they’ve sold a lot of cars now.

Scott: I see them everywhere.

Scott: It’s not like these are still niche products.

Peter: Yep.

Peter: No, they definitely…

Peter: Tesla is doing some serious damage in the auto market.

Peter: And I was like when I first heard today, it was yesterday I heard, I forget who it was some major manufacturer announced plans.

Peter: They’re going to be like rolling out all these new hybrid and electric models.

Peter: And they said though, that one of the concerns they have is Tesla, who has emerged as a serious competitor.

Peter: And what I was fearing, fearing, I guess, as an owner of Tesla, I was fearing that Ford is going to come out, Ford, Chevy, BMW, whatever, Volkswagen will come out and just like, oh, we can do that too.

Peter: Squash.

Peter: But apparently, it’s not that easy.

Peter: So maybe my Tesla supercharging network will stick around for some time.

Scott: Well, it’s not only not that easy.

Scott: Those other car manufacturers are used to selling in volumes that Tesla could only dream of.

Scott: And so they have to be careful.

Scott: And that’s why they’re all like Ford and Chevy so far.

Scott: The only electric vehicles they’ve talked about are either SUVs or trucks, right?

Scott: I mean, there’s that Mustang thing, but it’s basically a crossover.

Peter: And there was the Volt.

Scott: Yeah, right.

Adam: Those little junky cars.

Scott: But all the new stuff that they’re doing now are trucks, basically.

Peter: Yeah, Merica.

Scott: So Tesla doesn’t really have to worry about that because I mean, well.

Peter: What about the Cybertruck?

Scott: I was going to say in the long run, I don’t see the market going that way, but maybe I’m wrong.

Scott: Maybe I’m 1000% wrong.

Scott: Maybe it’s always going to be trucks.

Peter: I mean, Mad Max, did they have a lot of trucks in there?

Scott: I don’t know.

Adam: They had one big one.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: There you go.

Adam: And go-karts, the rest of them were pipe buggies.

Peter: Go-karts.

Peter: Have you ever ridden electric go-karts?

Adam: Electric go-karts.

Adam: No, I haven’t.

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: So there are two go-kart racing arenas near me, within like a 30 minute drive from my place.

Peter: One of them is F1 something something, and the other one is K1 something something.

Peter: As I understand it, F1 are little gas-powered go-karts, like 20-seater type things, and the K1 are electric.

Peter: And back in 2019, I went and did the K1, the little electric guys, and it was fun.

Peter: And I was kind of surprised at, see, when I get into my Tesla and I stomp on the, even when I have it in chill mode, the acceleration is insane.

Peter: And when I put it into standard mode, the acceleration is even more insane.

Peter: Now I don’t have like sport mode or ludicrous mode or plaid mode or insane mode, right?

Scott: What do we got on this thing?

Scott: A Cuisinart?

Peter: I don’t have those.

Peter: But these little go-karts, they accelerated so much faster than my Tesla.

Peter: Those were ludicrous mode.

Peter: But it was fun, you know, it was a lot of fun.

Peter: So if you ever have the option to do a little go-kart racing, it’s pretty cool.

Scott: They also weigh about 5,000 pounds less than your Tesla, so.

Peter: Give or take, but they also have like about 2,000 pounds less battery.

Scott: Uh-oh, you just went dark.

Peter: Yeah, my dying DNS updater felt compelled to try to update my DNS hostname, IP address right then and there.

Adam: Before we leave the supply chain topic in automobiles, so we’re in the market to buy a vehicle and we looked at Toyota Forerunners.

Adam: And in order to buy a Toyota Forerunner, you pay either 5,000 to $10,000 above MSRP above MSRP to order it.

Adam: So then I have 5 to $10,000 down on my new Forerunner.

Adam: Well, no, that’s for the privilege of getting that Forerunner that you want.

Peter: You know, even Elon puts your deposit toward the price of the car.

Adam: So I said, no, I mean, and this was above MSRP.

Adam: So this wasn’t like we made a deal.

Adam: This was like, no, this is the sticker price.

Adam: And these are the associated fees with buying it.

Adam: So of course I walked away and I went, I’ve gone to Ford and went to the Ford Explorer and we’re looking at Blazers too.

Adam: But Ford has pretty much, they had two Explorers on site and they were already purchased.

Adam: So the only thing, well, no, one was for sale.

Adam: You could buy that one, but the only way that they’re doing it now is you pre-order what you want.

Adam: You put $500 down, which does go towards the vehicle.

Adam: I mean, you’re still gonna pay essentially sticker price because they can right now on the demand, but you get exactly what you want.

Adam: I don’t hate that concept of, I go to the car dealership.

Adam: I don’t, they don’t have to try to shoehorn me into something on the lot that I don’t really want that’s in a color that I don’t want that doesn’t have the features that I want.

Adam: I go in, I pick my list.

Adam: We pick all of our accessories.

Adam: We shake hands and walk away.

Adam: And I come back 12 weeks later with the car exactly the way that I wanted it.

Scott: Yeah, that’s true.

Scott: It’s different here, or at least maybe it’s only different because we’ve been looking at Hondas.

Scott: I want to get an Accord Hybrid.

Scott: And they have them on the lot.

Scott: They don’t have a lot, but they can get them for you.

Scott: And they’re not super bad prices either.

Scott: They’re not MSRP.

Scott: They’re pretty close.

Scott: There’s not going to be any deals, but I’m surprised that they’re not over MSRP because a lot of other ones are like you were saying.

Adam: Yeah.

Scott: But the gouging, but the Toyota, I’m just guessing Toyota 4Runners have always been so popular.

Scott: And I’m guessing now they’re just insanely popular.

Scott: I mean, no one can get, I’m guessing there’s a huge demand of people that cannot get their Toyota 4Runner.

Adam: Yeah.

Peter: You can consider it a Tesla Model X.

Peter: Or maybe a used Tesla Model S.

Peter: Adam, I know a guy.

Adam: See, it’s got to cross a creek.

Peter: How fast?

Adam: It really doesn’t matter how fast, but it’s just got to get across.

Peter: It does matter if there’s a ramp.

Scott: It does have some pretty good torque.

Peter: If there’s a ramp.

Peter: I’ve seen pictures, we got to find this.

Peter: There is a video, it was like a security camera where someone caught a Tesla jumping railroad tracks.

Adam: Nice.

Peter: Yes.

Peter: I don’t know how far it went after it completed the jump, but it was pretty entertaining.

Adam: Well, my creek is Tennessee Chert, which is a limestone like rock, limestone, sandstone, churdy rock, tiny pebbles to big pebbles.

Adam: And if you take my truck, my four wheel drive truck with highway tires, I cannot cross that creek.

Adam: I’ve got to have off-road tires to cross the creek.

Peter: Right, right.

Peter: But what you’re talking about is driving through the creek.

Peter: I’m talking about-

Adam: You’re talking about flying.

Peter: Jumping over the creek, Dukes of Hazzard style.

Adam: But how many times can we pull that off?

Peter: At least once.

Scott: As many as you want, because what I learned is when the car comes down and the frame starts bending, it immediately goes back to normal.

Scott: It’s just a miracle.

Peter: Just a miracle.

Peter: Either of you guys see Ghostbusters Afterlife?

Scott: No.

Adam: No, that’s the latest one, right?

Adam: Yeah.

Peter: Are you familiar with the original Ghostbusters movie?

Adam: Yes.

Adam: I’ve seen all of them up to this one.

Peter: All two of them?

Adam: There was the Ghostbusters with the Women from Saturday Night Live.

Peter: It doesn’t count, that never happened.

Scott: What?

Scott: It was hilarious.

Scott: That was a good movie.

Adam: If you’re not a purist, if you’re like, I mean, it’s Ghostbusters, how pure can it be?

Scott: Right, it’s a remix.

Scott: It was a good movie, I liked it.

Adam: Yeah, I thought it was fun.

Adam: And I mean, Chris, What’s His Name was hilarious.

Peter: Was Hemsworth, yes.

Adam: Yeah, Chris Hemsworth.

Peter: He was funny.

Scott: What were they kept saying?

Scott: He’s so dumb, but so beautiful or something.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: It should have been so much better.

Peter: It really should have.

Peter: I had high hopes and I’m not at all dissing the actors.

Scott: Are you sure nostalgia isn’t a toxic impulse?

Scott: Because here’s the thing, when I go back and watch the original one, I’m going, this is good, but man, I remembered it was so much better.

Adam: It was better when we were 13.

Scott: Right.

Peter: It was better when we were 13.

Peter: Now that said, all that said, Ghostbusters Afterlife, off the charts, better than all the other movies, even if you count the 2016 version.

Peter: So much better, gave me, I definitely was tearing up towards the end, not just in the theaters the first time I saw it, but the second time when I watched it at home again, too.

Adam: So it really, it really hit me.

Peter: Not at all the same thing.

Scott: By the way, you’re wrong, Peter, this is the fourth and final film in the Ghostbusters franchise.

Scott: There was a 1989 Ghostbusters II.

Peter: Yeah, there was Ghostbusters II, right?

Scott: No, there was a 1989 Ghostbusters II.

Scott: Oh, you’re a denier, yeah.

Peter: I’m denying 2016, that never happened.

Adam: He’s denying number three.

Adam: And it had everybody except Egon, which is, he’s deceased.

Peter: He’s passed away, yes.

Peter: But they paid homage to him and honored the character.

Peter: And I believe, and I think Harold Ramis very well as well in the movie, in Ghostbusters Afterlife.

Adam: Yeah, because everybody loved him.

Peter: Yeah, so absolutely, it was just spot on.

Peter: There’s always room for a little bit of improvement, but I had no complaints, except I just wanted it to go on longer.

Peter: I take that back.

Peter: I think it was slightly anticlimactic, but it was satisfying.

Peter: And if people, just like with Spider-Man No Way Home, they say, oh, it was fan service.

Peter: Well, you know what?

Peter: You’re here to service the freaking fans.

Peter: I’m the customer here, so give me what I want.

Scott: Yeah, to some degree.

Scott: But then look what happened with Star Wars.

Scott: They went back and forth on those last three trilogies where one guy did one thing, one guy tried to undo it, and the other guy did the other thing.

Scott: And the last, the first and the last ones were definitely just trying to recreate the original Star Wars.

Scott: And I get it, but.

Peter: They did not, yes, I’m complete agreement with you and that completely is not what happened here.

Adam: Did you read the books, the Star Wars books?

Scott: I’ve read some.

Scott: I haven’t read.

Scott: I didn’t.

Scott: Let’s see.

Scott: I read the original one.

Scott: I don’t remember which other ones I read.

Adam: My wife and I still swear that Ray and what’s his name are really brother and sister, not Palpatine’s daughter.

Scott: That would be the best.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: The Palpatine’s daughter thing was like, why did you have to do that, dude?

Scott: I don’t.

Scott: Yeah, no, because it looked like they were going away from the midichlorian thing of you have to inherit the force.

Peter: I’m good with that.

Scott: Right.

Scott: And then they went right back to it because only the only people with force are all from these one, this one family line or these two families, however, family.

Peter: It’s how power goes.

Scott: The force family.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: Force family.

Adam: I could have done without the midichlorians that they should have never been introduced.

Scott: No, no.

Peter: Don’t know what they were thinking.

Peter: Oh, brother.

Scott: Besides, if it was something that just floated around in your blood, that would be, you could think you would be able to synthesize that.

Scott: And it just gave everybody a force vaccine and they could have the force.

Peter: Or maybe if it was, I was just going to say, maybe if it was contagious.

Scott: That’s true.

Peter: You know, what if you could like contract the force?

Peter: You know, what if you.

Scott: Especially if you didn’t care if the donor lived or not.

Peter: Oh, man, I’m coming down with the case of the force.

Peter: And then he stands up and his eyes are glowing and power burning.

Scott: Lightning bolts are shooting at his fingers.

Soundboard: Exactly.

Soundboard: That would be kind of cool.

Adam: That would be cool.

Peter: All right.

Peter: What else?

Peter: What else is on the agenda, gentlemen?

Peter: How’s your beer so far, by the way?

Scott: Mine’s gone.

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: What was your alcohol percentage?

Scott: Six.

Scott: Six percent.

Peter: He’s already down to six.

Peter: I’m pacing myself with my seven.

Adam: I’m still got one and I’m going to stick with one because I’m conditioning myself for the drive to the farm this evening.

Adam: Ah, you notice the throwback to the last episode.

Peter: Throwback.

Peter: Got that.

Peter: I am going to brave the grocery store after this.

Adam: It was sad.

Peter: I know I’m going to regret.

Scott: Peter, last time we did a Friends with Beer, you immediately started shopping.

Scott: It was on your phone, but still.

Peter: I’ve already got the shopping list.

Peter: It’s already made.

Peter: So everything I want is great.

Peter: And then I said, great, let’s see when the next delivery window is.

Peter: And they said Sunday.

Adam: So we need some pictures of shopping with the Nor’easter.

Peter: Shopping with the Nor’easter.

Peter: You mean like pre-Nor’easter, right?

Peter: Because I’m not going out in snow.

Peter: That’s coming at midnight.

Scott: Right.

Peter: Yeah.

Scott: So what are you expecting?

Scott: Feet of snow?

Peter: So I’ve been told.

Scott: What about you, Adam?

Scott: Are you clear in the weather department?

Adam: Yeah, we’ve got a dusting on the ground.

Adam: We’re supposed we’re not actually supposed to have gotten anything.

Adam: So it’ll be cold and it’ll be clear.

Adam: I’m headed out tonight.

Adam: Should be no nothing on the ground.

Adam: Easy peasy.

Peter: Easy peasy.

Peter: And besides, it’ll probably melt in what five minutes?

Adam: Well, no, it’s cold here.

Adam: I know cold relative to Boston is not cold, but it’s still cold here for us.

Peter: Today, when I went out for my run, it was like 30 degrees and it felt positively balmy.

Peter: I didn’t need to wear my outer windbreaker layer for the first time in a week.

Scott: I was going to say it’s been it’s actually that’s warmer than it’s been here lately.

Adam: But yeah, 31 31 right now.

Adam: So 31.

Adam: Wow.

Peter: Same temperature here.

Scott: Today is super warm.

Scott: Today it’s 52 right now and it feels like summer.

Peter: Holy cow.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: Wow.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: I would kill for that weather.

Peter: Who do you want me to kill?

Peter: I will kill someone.

Adam: Give me that weather.

Scott: Well, there’s a long list.

Peter: Yes.

Scott: Should I tell you before or after you kill them that it probably won’t change your weather?

Peter: After.

Adam: All right.

Adam: I’ve got a podcast app question.

Adam: Which app do you guys use?

Peter: Overcast.

Scott: We both use Overcast.

Scott: Yeah.

Adam: I thought Overcast was for libraries and stuff.

Scott: No.

Peter: Overdrive.

Peter: So, Scott, you experiment a lot, though.

Peter: You used…

Scott: I’ve just been using Overcast for years.

Peter: Okay.

Peter: But a few years ago, I know you had spent a lot of time in Pocket Casts and Castro.

Peter: And I think those are the only other two I remember.

Scott: Those are the only other two, yeah.

Peter: I used Pocket Casts for one reason, in that they have a native Sonos app.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: And that was nice, not having to airplay stuff to my Sonos.

Peter: But in the end, the bonus features, you know, just like the usability of Overcast and the way it works, drew me back to that.

Peter: And I eventually even removed Pocket Casts off of my Sonos.

Peter: I don’t use them.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: Also, if you use the Smart Speed, which strips the silence, strips silence a little bit, not completely.

Scott: Or if you speed it up, Marcos sound quality is better than any of the other ones.

Peter: I concur.

Scott: He’s done his own custom audio processing, and it just sounds better.

Peter: I agree.

Peter: Almost everything that I listen to, unless I’m listening to something where I really, I want to hear the pauses and, you know, and if something where making it go fast doesn’t when I’m normally consuming security podcasts, the news, the latest in technology, give it to me as fast as I can process it.

Peter: I’ll take it.

Peter: But if I’m listening to a fictional audiobook or something like that, then I want to hear it as it was intended to be, you know, especially if it is being read by William Shatner.

Scott: Fighting with a stick.

Peter: Oh, no, he didn’t fight with a stick, he did the patented double knuckle.

Scott: Well, he did both.

Scott: No, they had stick fights.

Peter: This is true.

Peter: This is true.

Peter: He did stick fighting, but the patented double knuckle guaranteed to break your fingers attack, you know?

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: Well, yeah, because I was the reason I asked was I was using the Apple podcast app.

Adam: And typically when I listen to it, I just I turn it on and I listened to a whole way through and I was actually listening to your podcast.

Adam: I was like, well, if I’m if we’re all going to be together, I should at least listen to what the last episode was, just just cuz that was when Peter went off the rails and, you know, I listened to it and then I stopped because I, you know, had other things to do and I came back and it was gone.

Adam: Like, oh, well, I must have killed it.

Adam: And then I came back and turned it back on, got to where I was before and listened to it.

Adam: And then I went into the grocery, came back, it was gone again.

Adam: Like, all right, this sucks.

Peter: The Apple Podcast app leaves a lot to be desired.

Scott: See, I have the opposite problem.

Scott: I keep trying to get rid of stuff I listen to and then when I look in my library again, it’s in there.

Scott: I don’t use that app a lot, but it’s, I don’t know, it has a weird UI.

Scott: It’s hard to tell what they think is a library, like what you’re subscribed to versus what you’ve just been listening to, stuff like that.

Scott: It’s a little weird.

Peter: It’s insane.

Peter: Yeah, I remember I used it a little bit when it first came out and then I tried it again when they announced compatibility with Amazon devices.

Peter: You can subscribe to Apple podcasts on Amazon stuff now, just like I was doing with Pocketcast, but still just as like, I just, I don’t understand it.

Peter: I don’t think Apple understands podcasts.

Scott: Well, you know what is sad about Apple?

Peter: Where do we begin?

Scott: When I went back to using the Mac again, they had really good built-in software.

Scott: It was easy to understand, and it was worth mentioning that it came with a computer.

Scott: It was a bonus.

Scott: And over the years, this company that’s supposedly known for its great UIs, they make horrible software.

Scott: Their UIs are terrible.

Scott: They often start software and then just abandon it.

Scott: They’ll make one iteration and you’re like, man, I can’t wait to see where this goes.

Scott: And then it never goes anywhere again.

Peter: Oh, like Cisco.

Adam: And Microsoft.

Scott: I don’t know if they’re that bad.

Peter: I disagree with Microsoft.

Peter: Microsoft, they iterate.

Peter: They iterate a lot.

Peter: But Cisco.

Scott: One difference I can think of between Cisco and Apple is at least Apple didn’t let all the intelligence communities of the world in their back door.

Peter: But that’s not because of like iterating failure feature.

Scott: No, no, no, no, no.

Scott: Not at all.

Scott: In fact, you could say maybe Cisco was only iterating that feature.

Scott: Who knows?

Peter: Yeah, I think it’s hilarious that Cisco loves to there like when you talk to Cisco salespeople, they love to talk about the virtues of buying from one vendor.

Peter: They’re like, would you buy an airplane made by 32 different vendors and stuff like, but we’re like, dude, that’s exactly what you are.

Peter: That literally is what Cisco is.

Peter: They just buy up things and then they tout all this integration and you never see it.

Peter: And it’s just like, wow.

Scott: I know we still use a lot of Cisco, but I think that in general, has their market share gone down?

Scott: Or is there just so much need now that they still have the same market share, but other people’s have grown?

Scott: Because I think.

Peter: What market are we talking about?

Scott: Whatever corporate, whatever.

Peter: Well, the thing is, they’re so diversified now that, you know, they’re not just like network hardware now, their security, their security services, their end point protection, their, you know, they’re all kinds of stuff.

Scott: They’re everywhere.

Adam: So the, the, I mean, my major gripe is I wish that I could make people work so hard to pay me for something that I sell, is they make me work to buy a Cisco product.

Adam: I’ve got money in my hand.

Adam: I want to give it to you, please give me this Meraki.

Adam: Okay.

Adam: Well, you got to register a deal.

Adam: No, no, no, I don’t want to register a deal.

Adam: I’m buying this.

Adam: I’m not registering a deal.

Adam: It’s not a deal.

Adam: I’m paying for it.

Peter: We’ll charge you three times as much and then you can buy at retail from this reseller.

Peter: No, no, I am a reseller.

Adam: I’m a Cisco reseller, please.

Scott: That is weird.

Scott: I wonder how that works for them.

Peter: It weeds out the little guys like us and it leaves only the Ingram micros to survive.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: I mean, I bought $3,000 firewalls from them.

Adam: And if I make the purchase, I have to wait for them to approve my purchase.

Adam: They’ve got to approve that I have the ability to buy from them.

Adam: I want that for my business.

Scott: I think the fact that they put it on sale should be an automatic approval of anybody buying their product.

Adam: We’ve got this.

Adam: I’ll give you a note that says that I can buy this firewall.

Adam: A permission slip.

Adam: This presidential permission slip and sometimes Hamilton, not a president, will give me permission to buy this.

Peter: Can I have a note from your doctor saying that you’re qualified?

Peter: You must be this tall to buy this firewall.

Adam: Oh, yeah, please.

Adam: Just let me buy it.

Scott: That’s too bad, I can’t send my cat to make my networking purchases for me then, Peter.

Peter: Speaking of dealing with giant corporations and being the little guy who gets squashed in the middle.

Peter: Now, in hindsight, this was not as bad, but it was as frustrating.

Peter: So I think both of you remember that last August, well, last July, I terminated my Verizon agreement and I went back to AT&T and it took me exactly six hours to remember how much I hated AT&T and why I had left them.

Adam: Six hours.

Scott: He didn’t pick up his phone for six hours.

Soundboard: I had no signal.

Peter: I had no idea I was missing all the stuff for six hours.

Peter: So the reason I went with AT&T is because Verizon, back in 2019, I remember I had switched to them.

Peter: I had been on AT&T for like three years because I was able to wrangle a deal through the hospital, you know, the employee discount thing.

Peter: And I was like, do you have an email for them to address?

Peter: I’m like, yes.

Peter: Great.

Peter: You’re an employee.

Peter: Good enough.

Peter: I’ll take it.

Peter: And they gave me a discount and I took it.

Peter: And for the longest time I had, well, for not the longest time, but for three years, had my father and myself, both of our phones on there because I pay for my dad’s phone.

Peter: He won’t pay for a cell phone, but he’s really happy when he has one, when he needs one in an emergency.

Peter: So fine.

Peter: So after that time went, when I switched and was employed at Mimecast for a little while, they had a deal with Verizon.

Peter: I was like, well, great.

Peter: Now is the time to switch.

Peter: And their onboarding process is so convoluted that even the salespeople didn’t know what they were selling me because I firmly believe that they were not intentionally trying to screw me over.

Peter: But I got screwed over paying a lot more money than I expected to for a lot less in services.

Peter: So I stuck with it for a little while begrudgingly.

Peter: And then in August of last year or July of last year, I was like, I’ve had enough because AT&T sent me this offer.

Peter: And they’re like, we’ll give you 100 gigs of data and HBO Max and I think Spotify or something for pretty much the same price I was paying for Verizon.

Peter: And I was like, I’m sold because I can use Spotify.

Peter: It’s not my favorite streaming service.

Peter: I mean, selection wise, it is, but I prefer Apple because I stream to it.

Peter: And then I will use HBO Max.

Peter: Yeah, there’s stuff that I will watch on it.

Peter: I’m not paying for it out of pocket, but I will watch it.

Peter: So okay, fine.

Peter: Less than a month later, I was like, I’ve had enough of this garbage.

Peter: And because AT&T completely botched the transfer process.

Peter: And oh, wait, you have an Apple watch?

Peter: Yeah, that’s actually going to be like $30 a month, not $10 a month.

Scott: Really?

Peter: Because of this fee and that fee and this add on and all this kind of garbage just spiraled out of control.

Peter: I was like, enough of this.

Peter: And then Verizon sends me a thing in the mail saying, Dear Verizon Fios customer, did you know if you switch to Verizon Wireless, you might save $50 a month on your Fios bill.

Peter: I’m like, I am a Fios customer.

Peter: Tell me more.

Peter: And so now suddenly, whereas Verizon had previously been giving me a whopping six gigabytes of data per month, and recall, AT&T was giving me 100 for like the same price.

Peter: That was a big compelling move to switch because every month I get near like five, six gigabytes and I’m like, oh, better not send that email because I might go over my limit and you know, whatnot.

Peter: So I switched.

Peter: I was like, ha, I can breathe again.

Peter: Verizon comes back and they’re like, well, we’ll give you 75 gigs plus 30 gigs of Hotspot plus Disney Plus and Apple Music all for about the same price as you’re paying AT&T.

Peter: And I was like, you know what, as bad as you were Verizon, you’re not as bad as AT&T, so I’ll switch back.

Peter: Now, of course, as soon as they heard that, they did their best to royally screw up the transfer.

Peter: They ported my number.

Peter: And I know listeners who remember and have heard both of our episodes have heard the story before.

Peter: Maybe the hosts even remember it.

Peter: But while I was on the call with the Verizon rep, she ported my number away from AT&T.

Peter: While I was on the call from an AT&T phone, she ported the number and phone call dies right there.

Peter: I was just like, but one of the promises they gave me was like, Hey, Apple Music and Disney Plus.

Peter: That’s great.

Peter: And what they told me was your Disney Plus subscription will be paused and we will be paying for it for as long as your Verizon customer on this plan.

Peter: Now, when you cancel your Verizon plan, your existing Disney Plus subscription will resume.

Peter: Missing invisible asterisk.

Adam: I was going to say, what’s the catch here?

Peter: The catch is none of that is true.

Adam: I thought maybe you had to like, if you ever changed away, you had to pay everything that they paid for.

Peter: Oh, if only it was that simple, Adam.

Peter: No, really what it was was, oh, wait, you’re an annual subscriber.

Peter: Oh, tough.

Peter: So only like last month.

Peter: And I had no way of validating this.

Peter: How do I tell that I’m not being billed for a service?

Peter: You know, like I’m not getting a bill.

Peter: Well, guess what?

Peter: I wasn’t getting a bill to begin with because I paid for it in February.

Adam: How did you not know you weren’t getting billed, Peter?

Peter: Oh, I know, right?

Peter: So about five days ago, I get an email from Apple saying, just so you know, we’re going to bill you again for your Disney Plus subscription in a month.

Peter: And I was like, that was courteous, but it shouldn’t be happening because that’s supposed to be paused.

Peter: So today I had the displeasure of speaking to Apple and Disney Plus and Verizon customer service.

Scott: I don’t think subscriptions that you do as an in-app purchase, assuming that’s how you did it.

Scott: I don’t think Verizon has any control over those.

Peter: They don’t.

Scott: You have to stop that yourself.

Peter: Except you can’t because Apple only goes back 60 days, and I bought it in February and I switched to Verizon in August.

Scott: Right.

Scott: Once your term.

Peter: Exactly.

Peter: So essentially, I was sold the bill of goods because I could not take advantage of this because I was an annual subscriber, trying to save like what, 10 bucks a year or something.

Scott: Did Verizon know this?

Peter: They made no mention of, if you’re an annual subscriber, they’re like, we will magically pause your subscription, but they also never said anything asterisk, unless you bought this through Apple, because we have no relationship directly with them.

Peter: You got to talk with Disney Plus.

Scott: Right, right, right, right.

Peter: So essentially today, and I realized, okay, I get it.

Peter: I understand it.

Peter: I should have known it was too good to be true from the get go.

Scott: Well, it’s not too good to be true if you weren’t already a subscriber.

Peter: It was too good to be true for the last six months.

Peter: It will be true about a month from now.

Scott: How much money are you going to save total?

Peter: Well, from a month from now, I’ll start beginning to get Disney Plus for free.

Peter: So whatever the annual or monthly cost of Disney Plus is, I’ll start again.

Adam: What’s it like?

Adam: $4.95 per month.

Peter: I think it’s more than that.

Scott: It’s more like $8 a month now.

Peter: No, it’s like $8 a month now.

Peter: It’s like $7.99 a month.

Adam: And don’t let them listen to what I’m paying.

Peter: You might be grandfathered in somehow.

Peter: Does yours include Hulu and ESPN?

Adam: I have Hulu and ESPN from DirecTV AT&T Purchase.

Peter: Which is hilarious because normally that’s a Time Warner thing where you would be getting HBO as opposed to Disney stuff.

Adam: And now I get HBO Max on top of that for free.

Scott: Really?

Peter: You’re winning.

Peter: I want your plan.

Peter: So, you know, in a nutshell, I am getting what I paid for starting next month, but it was just like it didn’t kick in August, September, October, November, December, January, February for seven months.

Peter: So I paid for Disney Plus where had I known I could do that, I should have just stuck with the month to month plan.

Peter: But I was like, Oh, the price is going up.

Peter: Well, I’m going to need this service because I love all the Marvel stuff.

Peter: So I will pay for this for a year in advance.

Peter: Shouldn’t have done that.

Peter: That was the lesson.

Scott: During that seven months, you almost could have had a Tesla repaired.

Peter: Okay.

Peter: Am I the only one who’s feeling his beer?

Peter: So Scott, you are six foot.

Peter: How much?

Scott: Six foot.

Scott: But I also just ate because I hadn’t had a chance to eat all day.

Scott: So while I was in my one o’clock meeting, I was stuffing my face.

Scott: So I just ate.

Peter: So you’re six foot tall drinking a six percent alcohol.

Peter: Adam, you’re six foot.

Adam: Six, one with a four point five percent alcohol.

Peter: And I’m five, ten drinking a seven.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: I had sixteen fluid ounces.

Peter: I am wobbly.

Peter: Yeah, we all know what.

Peter: Now, Scott was.

Scott: Oh, no, this was a twelve.

Scott: Yeah.

Peter: Yeah.

Peter: Okay.

Peter: So you’re getting off lucky that.

Peter: Well, both of you guys.

Peter: So you’ve got them.

Peter: You’ve got more but lower ABV, Scott, you have less but higher ABV.

Adam: I have a pint of 7% and I’m smaller than both of you.

Peter: I’ll take a point.

Adam: So let’s talk about beer for a second.

Adam: So one of the things is in here, you’re talking about the IPA.

Adam: So I want and I know your feelings on IPA, but I think IPA is the beer for COVID.

Adam: Because you can’t taste anything, but if you want to taste something, it’s got to be a crappy beer like an IPA with way too much green stuff in it.

Adam: And now you have a beer that you can taste.

Adam: So it’s the perfect COVID beer.

Soundboard: I love it.

Peter: A beer for every season.

Adam: I can see the disgust in your eyes.

Scott: What I’m thinking is, I really need to find somebody who has COVID and has that symptom of not being able to taste anything.

Scott: So I can force some IPA down them and see what it tastes like today.

Peter: They won’t care.

Peter: They’ll be like, this tastes great.

Adam: So a friend of mine, I mean, she’s not affected by COVID.

Adam: She was affected by actually cancer, but in her throat and lost her taste.

Adam: And she says she likes IPAs now because they actually taste like something.

Adam: Because it’s so strong, but she can’t taste any good beer.

Adam: It’s just like Alka-Seltzer.

Scott: Oh, that’s terrible.

Adam: Without the grit.

Peter: Oh, I don’t actually use Alka-Seltzer when I would normally use Alka-Seltzer or I can’t even say Alka-Seltzer.

Scott: I was just noticing.

Scott: Alker.

Peter: I just, I guess, so I am a, I am a pint down.

Peter: I cannot taste, I cannot taste, nor can I say Alka-Seltzer.

Scott: See, this is where I might need my soundboard, because I could record the word Alka-Seltzer for you and every time you wanted to say it, you could just point at me.

Peter: I cannot taste, I cannot say Alka-Seltzer.

Peter: Alka-Seltzer.

Peter: That’s so weird.

Peter: Who would have thought that that would be the words that I cannot pronounce?

Peter: I usually just use like a half teaspoon of baking soda.

Scott: Are you sure you’re going to the grocery store, Peter?

Peter: Not immediately, not immediately.

Adam: Well, he could walk or take it.

Adam: Well, no, you don’t get Uber credits anymore.

Soundboard: That’s not true.

Soundboard: My Uber credits go until January 30th.

Peter: So I can call a Yukon and stuff the back of that thing with bags of groceries.

Scott: The problem is when the guy pulls up in the Yukon to pick you up, he’s going to be like, I don’t see any Peter guy, but who’s that guy laying in the ditch over there?

Adam: Yeah, there’s a dude down.

Peter: Well, one of the things, and again, I’m generally, I don’t use Uber, and as soon as it’s not free, I delete the app and, you know, screw them.

Scott: So they can’t track you.

Peter: But one of the things that their app has that I don’t know if Lip has is-

Scott: Lip, all they do is curse at you and sass you the whole way to your destination.

Peter: When your driver is getting close, there’s a button that you can press which shows colors.

Peter: It just turns the screen like a flashing color.

Peter: And so that way your driver knows to look for you.

Peter: So presumably it’s going to be like a different color.

Peter: So if there are like five different people all waiting for an Uber on the same block that, you know, your driver can say, oh, I’m here for you.

Soundboard: It’s the red guy.

Peter: The white guy.

Peter: The blue guy.

Peter: So it’s been pretty good.

Peter: And, you know, I got to say, when I realized that, like, I had like a $500 credit on Uber, I was like, why wouldn’t I call Uber black?

Peter: It is a much better experience when you’re calling professional limo drivers who drive for a living than some rando who who really you like.

Peter: I know they say that he has his license, but does he really?

Peter: Because he sure as hell isn’t driving like it.

Adam: Yeah, you get in, he says, hang on a second.

Adam: Yeah.

Soundboard: Get off the phone.

Peter: I had someone pick me up, take me to the airport.

Peter: This was years ago.

Peter: Adam, it might have been the last time I went to see you.

Peter: I don’t remember.

Peter: But someone who like was really not good at driving.

Peter: And like it was like her first day driving for Lyft.

Peter: And she told me and I was just like.

Peter: Uh huh.

Soundboard: I was like, how did you get the idea that it would be a good for you to drive like?

Peter: Well, anyone can drive for Lyft.

Peter: Presupposition there is that you can drive.

Peter: Oh, my goodness.

Peter: Well, guys, I’m I’m feeling my beer.

Peter: How are you?

Peter: You’re probably not feeling anything.

Scott: No, I’m not feeling my mind’s empty and it’s way over here, so I can’t feel it there.

Scott: Now I can feel the bottle, but just the bottom.

Peter: You see if you can drip a couple of drips out and if you can feel that.

Peter: Oh, look, I would have felt that.

Adam: Yeah, that’s more than a drip.

Peter: Or maybe I wouldn’t have felt that.

Scott: I had a tiny, tiny swirl left her.

Scott: Mm hmm.

Peter: This is good.

Peter: So, Scott, definitely beer rating this.

Peter: OK, Vermont, Vermont, Burlington Beer Company, Mochaccino.

Peter: That gets a thumbs up.

Scott: Yeah, I need to get that rating.

Scott: I’ve got some of the back end work that I need to do done and I need to work on the UI, but I will have not only will I have thumbs up and thumbs down, but I will have little quotes from us on each beer page.

Peter: Not only is it a beer, it is a beer.

Soundboard: It is a good beer.

Peter: OK, yes, so I just want to make a note.

Peter: And I think we’re going to keep it with that.

Peter: It’s either going to be this or this, right?

Peter: We’re not going to be like four and a half stars or not.

Peter: Or not 90 or like the old you remember the my mac.com days when it was like my mac.com rating of eight.

Scott: Mm hmm.

Scott: What does that mean?

Peter: No stars.

Peter: Yeah, no stars.

Peter: But it was like eight out of ten.

Peter: Like how did you come to that point?

Peter: I don’t know.

Peter: Wait, wait, wait.

Peter: Hold on.

Scott: Yeah, because then you get into if you give away your ten right away, what if you have a better beer?

Scott: You can’t.

Scott: Yeah, it becomes a because then you have to go back and revisit all your ratings.

Soundboard: Oh, nice.

Scott: So I, and ten out of ten for this beer.

Adam: Perfect.

Adam: See, I thought about drink.

Adam: So I make a chocolate cherry porter.

Adam: Oh, and my last.

Scott: We’re both headed to your house right now.

Adam: My last batch I made in 2016 and I think I have one left and it’s in a pint gross top.

Adam: And by now, there’s no carbonation whatsoever, but that doesn’t matter.

Adam: It is still really good.

Adam: And I thought about drinking that one for this episode, but I was like, well, baby, we’ll see how it goes.

Adam: And maybe we’ll do a second episode and I’ll drink that one.

Scott: And then you thought, no, I want to drink that on a happy occasion.

Adam: Yeah.

Adam: I’ll drink it.

Adam: So but I need to make another batch of that though.

Scott: I was going to ask you how many batches have you made?

Scott: Like if it goes that long, can you still churn it out exactly the same as it was before?

Adam: Yeah, because I’ve got a recipe.

Adam: I mean, I follow the same recipe for it every time.

Peter: Adam is pretty good when it comes to consistency in the brewing, at least.

Peter: So I’m told, because frankly, I’ve never had any of your beers, but we have exchanged many stories about how I’m really just like just winging it, throwing crap at the wall, seeing Peter says, I think I want to do this.

Adam: I’m like, Peter, I think you should follow the recipe the very first time.

Scott: But no, she wants to be a master before he’s a student.

Peter: Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Adam: Yeah, it takes six weeks.

Adam: That’s six weeks of my life.

Adam: I’m never going to get back.

Adam: I need to try this.

Scott: Oh, man, there was a years ago, a coworker brought some homemade beer that he brewed to a company or a group picnic and our boss was there and he, I don’t know what on earth possessed him to give some of that beer to the boss, but it tasted like formaldehyde.

Scott: And I was like, dude, that was a career ender that you just, you’ve got to hope the boss leaves before you do because I’ve had very little failure when it comes to beer as far as like making them.

Adam: I had, I had a batch early on that I wasn’t doing a proper sanitation and I figured out it was actually, I was washing my bottles in the dishwasher, but what I didn’t realize is there’s a good bit of sediment in the bottom that wasn’t getting cleaned out and that was causing bad taste in my other beers and when I discovered that, I’ve never had that problem again.

Adam: But the last time I had a problem was I had a really slow yeast.

Adam: And so I thought I was done and I bottled all these beer and I bought a pint and a half bottles and I put champagne tops on them and I gave them away as gifts.

Scott: You destroyed everyone’s houses.

Adam: Yes, my neighbor, I gave him some of my beer and he opened it and went poof.

Scott: Oh my God.

Adam: And his entire kitchen was covered in a very awesome over carbonated nut brown ale.

Scott: Oh no.

Adam: So, I mean, it was a failure in bottling too early, which I’d never really done that.

Adam: That was the only time that ever happened, but the beer was good.

Adam: You get this much beer and this much head.

Soundboard: So it’s funny.

Peter: So you said, what was that?

Peter: A nut brown chestnut brown thing that exploded?

Adam: Nut brown ale.

Peter: Because I made a brown ale that also exploded.

Peter: Now I did not use champagne bottles, of course, but I did do one.

Scott: Did you use slow yeast?

Peter: I don’t know, but that was the first batch that I ever made that was like, wow, this is terrible.

Peter: And it exploded.

Peter: And this was back in the day when I was very active in Krav Maga.

Peter: And there was this one guy who was super annoying, super annoying to practice with.

Peter: He would always be on everyone’s case, even though he was no better than them.

Peter: And he was like, he would hurt people because like, well, you should have known to block that.

Peter: You know, even though he’s only like full on punches and crap.

Peter: And I opened this bottle completely unconsciously, subconsciously, unwittingly, fill in the blank.

Peter: I open up this, I pop the cap and it spewed all over the back of his suede jacket.

Peter: And I was just like, I could not have planned that better.

Adam: Why is the jacket wet, Margot?

Adam: I don’t know, Todd.

Scott: Oh, I love that.

Scott: I don’t know Todd.

Peter: That was so fun.

Scott: So anyway, let me ask you a question though.

Scott: Why were you cracking open beer at Croft McGaw to begin with?

Peter: It was a party.

Peter: It was a Croft McGaw party.

Peter: It wasn’t a Croft McGaw party, although there’s a precedent for this.

Peter: I am a big fan of a guy named Jeff Thompson, who was a former London bouncer.

Peter: And also Jeff, G-E-O-F-F Thompson.

Peter: He’s written a ton of books, mostly about his experience, you know, being a bouncer.

Peter: Start with the one called Watch My Back.

Peter: Watch My Back.

Peter: Speak Anymore, I’m Drunk.

Peter: Good book.

Peter: Watch My Back is pretty much his biography of getting into like the self-defense realm.

Peter: He suggests in a number of different books, he’s written like, I don’t know, maybe like dozens of different books on self-defense stuff.

Peter: And one of them, he talks about having a seminar or a session, a training session where the participants drink alcohol.

Peter: The teacher does not, right?

Peter: So the teacher needs to be sober or sober, and he needs to have veto power and be able to like call this at any time.

Peter: But it’s to impress upon the students, like, this is what happens when you drink.

Peter: Just so you know, you know, like if you’re going to be out in a pub, and you’ve had a pint of 7% mochaccino, like I have, and this guy over your shoulders looking like a jerk and you feel like, I can show him a thing or two, consider that, you know, it’s not a good idea.

Soundboard: Good idea.

Peter: Right.

Peter: So I always wanted to try that I would be, you know, I thought that at our Croft school that it would be an interesting thing if just, you know, not like publicly announced, but hey, you know, most senior students, you the second degree, first degree black belts who’ve been here like five, ten years or so, we’re doing something, not publicizing it.

Peter: Friday night, just the five of us, you know, here’s what you’re going to do.

Peter: You know, like go through a bunch of self-defense drills and then sit down, have a beer, talk a little bit, go through the same defense drills, see what happens.

Peter: Things are a little different.

Peter: Have another beer.

Peter: See what happens.

Peter: Hmm.

Peter: Getting a little sloppy.

Peter: Have a third beer.

Peter: Holy crap.

Peter: There’s three of these guys.

Peter: No, there’s really only one.

Scott: Which one are you going to swing for?

Peter: Which one?

Peter: The one in the middle.

Scott: Maybe.

Scott: Maybe you’re way off calibration.

Scott: So Apple Books has his audio book, but not his, not the regular book.

Peter: Is it Watch My Back?

Scott: Yeah, yeah.

Peter: It’s a worth read.

Peter: It’s a short book.

Peter: It’s easy to digest, so it’s definitely worth reading, though.

Peter: I like it.

Peter: It was good.

Scott: All right.

Peter: Well, gentlemen, we’ve been going for about an hour or so.

Peter: I mean, we got a little bit of a delayed start because technical technology is technology.

Scott: Every time is the first time for podcasting.

Peter: And we didn’t even talk.

Peter: So I’ve been spitting all of these things into our chat on Signal.

Peter: Those were all intended to be topics for tonight.

Soundboard: I don’t think we got to any of those.

Scott: Probably not.

Scott: We’ll do it again.

Peter: Which means we should do this again.

Scott: Yeah.

Scott: Absolutely.

Peter: So guys, in all honesty, alcohol aside, I know I haven’t physically spent a lot of time with you, jokes aside, but I do consider you two of my closest friends.

Peter: And I really am sincerely grateful for the time I get to spend with you.

Peter: And the fact that I get to spend it with both of you at the same time is just like, it’s just so much fun.

Peter: So thank you so much.

Peter: I really, really appreciate it.

Peter: I mean that that is not this thing talking.

Scott: So thank you.

Adam: Thank you.

Scott: Thank you.

Peter: Thanks, guys.

Scott: Peter, you have been, you’ve been friends with me for a long time and I, I’m just grateful that you still are because I figure if anybody, if anybody can be my friend that long and still be that good of a friend, that guy’s pretty special.

Scott: And I really enjoy listening to your guys’ podcast too, by the way.

Scott: It is very cool.

Peter: I mean, you’re probably our number one listener.

Adam: Yeah.

Peter: You know, we have, we have tens of listeners, right?

Adam: Tens of dozens of tens of listeners.

Scott: Tens of free listeners.

Peter: Tens of tens.

Peter: I love it.

Adam: I wonder if we should stop making it for a paid for subscription.

Soundboard: I think we should just open it up.

Peter: I mean, are we doing what is, is the podcast at a point where it can sustain itself and we don’t need to charge for it anymore?

Scott: I’m just thinking that a hundred dollars a month is a little steep.

Peter: You know what it’s worth it though, Scott, it keeps the riff raff out.

Scott: Well, I guess they’re all riff raff then.

Adam: Didn’t you try to get a sponsorship from meundies at.com or at one time?

Peter: I tried, like I had, I applied at one point, I had an Amazon referral link and that got pulled.

Soundboard: I approached meundies.

Soundboard: They’re like, yeah, we’d like to talk to you.

Peter: All of these things like that you’ve ever heard about on any podcast, they’re like, yeah, we don’t have time for that.

Scott: In a security context, that’s horrible because then you’re trying to keep people from breaking into your undies and I don’t know, it’s weird.

Soundboard: All right.

Peter: Well, I don’t know.

Peter: Should I flip a coin to see which one of you guys takes us out or since I brought it?

Scott: It has to be one of you guys because you guys are the experts with the big red button.

Adam: Well, yeah, I mean, how do you how do you guys end your podcast though?

Peter: I don’t know how we end Friends with Beer because I’m usually drunk.

Scott: I have no idea.

Scott: Why do you ask him?

Peter: Here’s the thing, Adam.

Peter: I will give you a hint.

Peter: When you’re taking out Friends with Beer, you have to reference Friends with Beer Pod on Twitter.

Scott: Yeah, Friends with Beer Pod is the Twitter.

Adam: Friends with Beer Pod Twitter.

Scott: Usually it ends when we wake up and our hard drives are full of recorded audio.

Adam: My computer stopped.

Adam: Why did it stop again?

Peter: Hard drive full.

Peter: We’re out of disk space.

Peter: Maybe you should delete some podcasts.

Peter: So Adam, now that you know where to find the Friends with Beer Pod, why don’t you take us out?

Adam: All right.

Adam: Well, dear listener, we thank you for listening to us.

Adam: I think we’ve been funny tonight.

Adam: I’ve had a good time.

Adam: So you can find us on the podcast.

Adam: What’s the URL?

Adam: friendswithbeer.com Yes.

Adam: It’s not friends with beer.

Adam: There’s no podcast.

Adam: So I find you guys at friends with beer.com and you can find us at Blurring the Lines podcast.com where we’ll have cross references and beer links to the things that we drank tonight and other things too, right?

Adam: And with that, we hit the big red button.

Adam: Here’s the big red button!