Episode 88 – I Could Use A Big Giant Femur Bone
Scott: Friends with Brews.
Scott: Hi, Peter.
Peter: Hey, Scott.
Peter: Well, you know, that’s a little bit of an ego boost.
Peter: I think you could use that.
Peter: You’re great, Scott.
Scott: Thank you.
Scott: What are you doing today, Peter?
Scott: What are you drinking?
Scott: Why are you drinking it?
Scott: And how often are you drinking it?
Peter: And this is, I believe, my third as to how often I’m drinking it.
Peter: I am drinking Athletic Brewing Company’s Athletic Light.
Peter: Now, dear listener, friend of the show, frequent flyer on Friends with Brews, you will know that Athletic Brewing Company makes, I believe, exclusively non-alcoholic beers.
Peter: And now they have made a non-alcoholic light beer.
Peter: Athletic Light has 25 calories, 5 grams of carbs.
Peter: Athletic Light is your everyday brew.
Peter: Refreshing, low on carbs and low on calories.
Peter: It’s classically simple yet expertly crafted with a crisp, dry finish.
Peter: Brewed specifically for the sport of life, it’s the perfect choice for any occasion or no occasion at all.
Peter: It tastes a lot like other athletic beers, and it tastes a lot like light beers, American light beers.
Peter: So I will say, yes, I believe this is accurate.
Peter: 25 calories, five grams of carb, zero taste.
Scott: Zero taste.
Peter: That’s my review.
Scott: That’s your review.
Peter: That said, it’s actually not that bad.
Peter: I think my tastes have definitely started to adjust to the non-alcoholic beer.
Peter: I’m definitely recalibrating.
Peter: It does have a beery-like hoppy-ish finish, which is not super off-putting.
Peter: It’s not like really bitter IPA style finish.
Peter: It’s got a little bit of a hoppy finish to it.
Scott: But when you compare it to total crap like Bud Light, Miller Light.
Peter: The only time I’ve ever had those was about a year ago when I did a hot dog beer run.
Peter: So my experience was clouded by the fact that I was running a mile, wolfing down a hot dog and pounding those beers.
Peter: So I barely tasted them that day either.
Peter: But I would say it’s comparable.
Peter: It’s in the same ballpark.
Peter: Also, full disclosure, I’m fighting a cold today, so I will periodically have to step away from the mic and blow my nose because it feels like it’s clogged full of oatmeal.
Peter: You know, that really gluey, cementy consistency oatmeal.
Peter: It’s like that.
Peter: Just leave it in.
Peter: Just let the listener get the full experience.
Scott: Right.
Peter: This is what they they want to hear.
Peter: They came for the we could charge more for that edition of the podcast.
Scott: I don’t think we could, and I don’t think we should.
Peter: I think we could charge 100 percent more than we’re charging for a regular subscription.
Scott: All right.
Scott: Fine.
Scott: Peter shoots oatmeal out of his nose and you pay.
Scott: You all pay.
Scott: Perfect.
Scott: All right.
Scott: Portland Coffee Roasters Goose Hollow.
Scott: That is what I’m drinking.
Scott: Portland Coffee Roasters.
Scott: Whatever.
Scott: Coffee Roasters Goose Hollow.
Scott: It is whole bean medium roast, dark chocolate complex.
Scott: They say dark chocolate complex.
Scott: And I don’t think it was that complex, Peter.
Scott: I poured the beans out of the bag onto a scale.
Scott: I poured the beans from there into the grinder.
Scott: I ground it on an appropriate setting.
Scott: And then I used hot water and an aero press to brew the coffee.
Scott: It didn’t seem that complex.
Peter: So I don’t know what they’re talking about.
Peter: It doesn’t sound all that complex.
Peter: Yeah, I don’t know.
Peter: Maybe they’re just overcomplexicating it.
Scott: I think they are.
Scott: Anyway, can I taste chocolate?
Scott: I guess, yeah, a little bit, I don’t know.
Scott: It tastes like coffee.
Scott: This is not the most, Portland Coffee Roasters, so far, of all the ones of theirs I’ve had, they’re not the most flavorful coffee.
Scott: Okay.
Scott: But they are good coffee.
Scott: Like they don’t, it doesn’t get up in your, it’s not like going to a restaurant and saying, oh man, this is slightly bitter, or what are these idiots brewing back there?
Scott: It’s acceptable coffee.
Scott: It’s not my first choice by any means.
Scott: The weird thing is, it’s also $20 a bag for 12 ounces if you order online.
Scott: I can’t remember what I paid in the store, but I’m sure it wasn’t $20, but it might have been $16 or something.
Peter: I’m going to ask, does that include shipping or is that separate on time?
Scott: No idea.
Peter: 20 bucks a bag.
Peter: Well, get used to that though.
Peter: We’re heading in that direction.
Peter: All prices of coffee are going to be going up soon.
Scott: Well, it’s not the way things are going.
Scott: It won’t be long before we can’t get coffee and chocolate anymore.
Scott: Like we can’t get them.
Peter: So great.
Peter: Well, get it while you can, I guess.
Scott: Yep.
Scott: Get it while you can.
Scott: That’s been the motto of humanity ever since we touched the monolith, and that explains the predicament we’re in right now.
Peter: Mm-hmm.
Peter: I could use a big giant femur bone to beat some sense into some other apes these days.
Scott: Some other humans.
Peter: So we’ve got a lot to talk about.
Peter: We should just dive right into it.
Peter: A couple things.
Peter: Let’s, I don’t know, maybe we’re going to even want to separate this up into two different episodes, because I think we could go on about chat Gpt 5 and me with agent and you with VibeCoding for some time, or do you think we can blow right through that and get right to the meat of my review?
Scott: I think we can cover those, and then if we want to talk more about chat Gpt 5 in depth later, let’s do that, because my experience with it so far has been through warp, and its implementation is broken and warp and needs fixed.
Peter: Okay.
Peter: So, well, anyway, listeners, last week as we’re recording this, chat Gpt 5 dropped, and, you know, we’ve been hearing a lot of things about it.
Peter: Even if we take Sam Altman’s nonsense out of the equation, we’ve been hearing a lot of good things about chat Gpt 5.
Peter: Would you say that’s fair to say?
Scott: Yeah, it’s fair to say.
Peter: Yeah, so you’ve been using it to vibe code some stuff, is that correct?
Scott: No, I tried to use it to vibe code something that I had already started with Cloud Code, but I was doing it through warp.
Scott: I was doing it as one of the warp agent models.
Scott: And it just doesn’t work, because it keeps throwing in some encoding characters in all the code that it does.
Scott: And then it’ll see it when you tell it, I can’t compile, I can’t build this, this isn’t building.
Scott: And then it’ll go, oh yeah, there’s some strange characters, but it can’t, it literally can’t fix it.
Scott: So I mean, I could go in and clean up after it manually every time, but I don’t want to.
Scott: So anyway, I quit using it in warp.
Scott: I am using it in the ChatGPT app on the Mac, but that’s useless for vibe coding.
Scott: So I’m not using, I’m not using ChatGPT 5 for vibe coding, I’m using cloud code for vibe coding with Sonnet 4.1 is the model I’m using.
Peter: So GPT 5 prompted me to re-up my ChatGPT plus subscription.
Peter: So I’m paying them 20 bucks a month again, instead of code.
Peter: I like to alternate between, instead of a cloud, I should say.
Peter: I like to bounce between them and just give each one a fair shot.
Peter: The very first real task I gave it was to analyze using its deep research mode, a comic book character, citing various different comic books, movies and books, and create him for Savage Worlds for my Sunday night Savage Worlds games.
Peter: I think this was probably the best effort that I have seen an AI do when it comes to making characters so far.
Peter: I’ve been doing that now for a couple of years.
Peter: So I was very impressed with that.
Peter: So the next logical step I said was, Hey, ChatGPT operator in agent mode, I want you to log in to my Foundry virtual tabletop and do the data entry.
Peter: So here’s the stat block for this guy.
Peter: Here’s his character sheet in my game.
Peter: Copy and paste, build this character.
Peter: I tried it on two different occasions.
Peter: It tried for over an hour and it has failed completely utterly miserably.
Scott: I bet I might know part of your problem because I was listening to this earlier with people trying to use…
Scott: Is it agent?
Scott: Are you sure it’s called agent mode?
Scott: It’s something else when it uses a browser, right?
Peter: No, it’s agent mode.
Scott: Agent mode is just a generic thing.
Peter: It’s agent and operator.
Scott: Operator mode is the browser.
Scott: Operator mode is when it’s clicking on the browser.
Scott: That’s agent mode.
Scott: Agent is just, I’m an agent.
Scott: I will go run these tasks for you, blah, blah, blah.
Scott: That happens.
Peter: But where does it run those agents?
Peter: Where does it run those tasks?
Scott: It depends.
Scott: If you’re using a warp, it’s running them in the terminal.
Scott: It’s running them locally, but on the terminal.
Peter: Well, it’s probably running them in the cloud.
Peter: Web interface.
Scott: I don’t know.
Scott: I have no idea.
Scott: It’s running them on in the server.
Scott: It’s accessing the browser through its server.
Peter: Precisely.
Peter: That’s the agent mode.
Peter: So Foundry has a rather convoluted gamer style, like a video game style interface.
Peter: Yeah.
Peter: I can understand.
Peter: It made a good effort to go and try to find the things I was telling it to find.
Peter: But it spun its wheels for half an hour.
Peter: At one point, it’s like, I’m working for 36 minutes.
Peter: And in the end, it had accomplished absolutely nothing.
Scott: Do any of these things that it needs to click on hide behind pop-ups or other interfaces, like tabs, pop-ups, anything like that?
Peter: They can.
Scott: It can’t.
Scott: What I’ve heard is that it cannot handle stuff that you have to hover over to get to appear.
Peter: Which is why I even at one point said, let me take control and set this up for you.
Peter: So like I said, here’s the character sheet on the left.
Peter: Here’s the compendium on the right.
Peter: Drag and drop these things from the compendium onto the character sheet, which I could have done in less time than it took me to tell it how to do it.
Scott: Right.
Peter: It still couldn’t do it.
Peter: And in the end, it ended up trying to, rather than dragging these things called hindrances out of the hindrance compendium, it ended up making up a brand new one.
Peter: It just hallucinated, created a new one, and that was all I ended up with.
Peter: So after over an hour of Gpt in agent mode, trying to do these very straightforward tasks, I ended up with a hallucination and nothing else.
Scott: What’s a compendium?
Peter: Just a book, book from the game.
Peter: So it might have like super powers or monsters or rules.
Scott: Oh, okay.
Scott: So you’re saying from the compendium, choose the attributes that you want this character to have and put them in the character properties.
Peter: Just drag them and drop.
Peter: And when it failed to find them, I was like, look, here’s the compendium right here on the screen.
Peter: Drag and drop from the left into the right.
Peter: And it couldn’t do that.
Scott: But can it see the whole compendium at once?
Peter: No, but it knew how to search and it knew how to scroll because it tried those several times and failed.
Scott: Yeah, I don’t think this is, I do not think this is an unusual problem.
Scott: Anything that’s not straightforward and that doesn’t all show completely on the UI all at once, or isn’t a simple click button or something like that, it seems to be that people have circumstances like this where it spins its wheels for hours and it argues with itself and it can’t figure out why it can’t succeed.
Peter: At least the nice thing is that this is based on my $20 a month thing, not on like a Claude, like an API call.
Peter: So I didn’t have to pay any extra for this complete wheel spinning for an hour.
Scott: Yeah, but I wonder how many tokens you have left.
Scott: And by the way, speaking of tokens, and this is just a little aside and interjection.
Scott: The thing I don’t like about Claude is if you’re paying for the Claude Pro account, which is a $20 a month account, I can’t figure out how to get it to show me how much of that I’ve used.
Scott: I know at some point I will stop.
Scott: I won’t have any tokens left.
Scott: I can’t figure out where in the UI to get it to show me the tokens.
Scott: If it was an API, that would be easy.
Peter: Did you ask Claude to come up with a way to find it?
Scott: Yes.
Scott: It gave me a nonsense thing that doesn’t exist to go check.
Peter: Beautiful.
Scott: Yeah.
Scott: The reason that came to mind was, I wonder how many tokens you burned of it trying to click on things and failing miserably.
Scott: Even though you’re not paying more, my guess is you have substantially less tokens left for the month than you did, and you’ve got nothing out of it.
Peter: I got a hallucination out of it, which I could have gotten for free.
Scott: Well, for free?
Scott: You buy peony for free?
Scott: I mean.
Peter: No, I was going to say I could use chatGpt free version to have it hallucinate.
Scott: But you want your own hallucinations.
Scott: If you have to have hallucinations, they should be your own.
Scott: They’re a lot more fun that way.
Peter: All right.
Peter: So before we dig into the meat of this episode, talk to me about YouTube Premium.
Scott: Yeah.
Scott: It was funny because the other day I realized how much of a difference YouTube Premium is making for me and my family.
Scott: I decided to pay for YouTube Premium to get no ads.
Scott: And I bought a family plan so that my wife and daughter could also enjoy this benefit.
Scott: And then I sent them an invitation and I made them log in with their Google accounts and accept and therefore now when they log into YouTube, they also have YouTube Premium.
Scott: And the difference that it has made to me is remarkable.
Scott: Like I just watch YouTube all the time now and I never used to.
Scott: But the other, the thing is it’s become so normal for me now just to watch tons of videos.
Scott: Like we watch a lot of travel videos.
Scott: We watch a lot of, here’s, you know, people live here, expats, people go in here, or people who just travel all the time.
Scott: We watch those kinds of things.
Scott: Of course, I watch a lot of tech related videos, but not the kind that are like, I found the five apps you gotta, here’s how to set, no, I don’t, I hate that crap.
Scott: Anyway, anyway, it was funny because one of my daughter’s friends, he loves trains.
Scott: First of all, he likes Japan in general.
Scott: He took Japanese class with her, but he loves trains.
Scott: And so I found a video about this place in Tokyo that’s a little restaurant that’s completely made up of train parts and train station parts and train crossing parts and all these crazy things.
Scott: It’s hilarious.
Scott: It’s so cool.
Scott: And the food is brought to you by a little train, not a conveyor belt like some of those sushi restaurants, a little train on a track.
Scott: It goes choo choo choo.
Scott: It even choo choo’s at you.
Scott: And it brings you your food.
Scott: And I said, you got to show this to, I told my daughter, you got to show this to your friend.
Scott: So I gave her the link and she sent it to him.
Scott: And his comment was, oh my God, I had to watch so many ads to get to that.
Scott: And I didn’t even think about it.
Scott: I had totally forgotten about it.
Scott: Yep.
Scott: Because you just never see them anymore.
Scott: And it is what makes it palatable.
Scott: I guarantee you, I would barely watch YouTube.
Scott: And if I had to go back, I would probably quit using YouTube now.
Peter: Yep.
Peter: No, I have been subscribing to YouTube Premium now for a few years because when I was finishing up my bachelor’s degree at Champlain, a lot of the content was YouTube videos.
Peter: Like, you know, economics here, psychology here, go watch this video, which clearly explains this and that.
Peter: And I just got sick of like everything.
Peter: Like, okay, yeah, so we’re today, we’re going to talk about comparative advantage versus a competitive advantage.
Peter: If you want to make a phone, you need to do what the, you know, like in the middle of it, this guy is blasting, you know, out about my testosterone.
Peter: And I was like, thanks, dude, I’m, I’m check.
Peter: In fact, you might want to dial it back a little bit there, but you need less testosterone.
Peter: Oh my God.
Peter: So I ended up buying it and I actually get a discount of it through my Verizon, Verizon plan.
Peter: Yes.
Peter: I think I pay like 10 bucks a month for it.
Peter: I won’t watch YouTube without pro.
Peter: Like if I click a link on something and it’s like, hey, do you want to play this in a browser?
Peter: And it’s a browser that I’m not signed in on.
Peter: Like I will stop, sign in, copy the thing, move to a different browser where I’m signed in.
Peter: So, you know, it’s just like, it is insane.
Peter: The thing, the only thing I don’t, worse about it now though is like all of the shows are going back to old school TV style where it’s like, before we move on, Scott, if you like me, you probably lead an active lifestyle and you probably like tracking your metrics.
Peter: Therefore, you need something like I have, the Garmin Forerunner 955 solar.
Scott: Yeah, but the nice thing about those, the nice thing about those is you can skip over them.
Scott: And it’s funny because you’ll skip over them.
Scott: And on the little, on top of the video, it’ll say frequently skipped content.
Peter: Sometimes.
Peter: But if you’re one of the first 200 people watching a Mockler video, you’re like, come on.
Peter: So yeah, but it is funny.
Peter: I remember like back when I was a kid, I think I watched the the video, the story of Liberace, the pianist.
Peter: And apparently he had a TV show once where like every week he would play and stuff.
Peter: And like one day out of the blue, he started hawking Cascade on the show and they terminated his contract.
Peter: Wow.
Peter: So like he’s in the middle and he stops playing and he’s like, you know, and he turns, I think it was Cascade or some other, it was either laundry detergent or dish detergent or something.
Peter: But that’s what it’s like now, you know?
Peter: So it’s like, all right, it’s kind of funny.
Peter: I mean, if it’s someone like Trey Crater or Adam Mockler or the Midas Touch guys talking about ground news and they actually really are using ground news, okay.
Peter: But you know, like suddenly Mockler is going on about like, you know, removing your private information from all these databases and things.
Peter: And I was like, all right, whatever.
Scott: Jesse, the only ones where I’ve come across that it actually is related directly related, like that Theo guy that I sent you the link to or whatever he does, it just f-ing works.
Peter: It just does it.
Scott: Yeah.
Scott: He has ads, but they are directly related stuff that he does.
Scott: And also, like there’s a pilot debrief channel I watch, his are usually aviation related and products that he claims to use.
Scott: But so I don’t see a lot of ones where it looks like this is just out of left field.
Scott: You know, here’s somebody eating Tide Pods and clearly has nothing.
Scott: And it’s a travel video or something.
Peter: Yeah, give it time.
Peter: It’s only going to get worse.
Scott: Yeah, I’m sure.
Scott: But, you know, I get it.
Scott: They have to make money.
Scott: I don’t like it, but I do like it better than the old YouTube ads I used to get, which I couldn’t skip.
Scott: I just could not skip.
Scott: And if I sometimes if you jumped back, it would start the ads all over again because it thought you were trying to get around the ads.
Scott: And so now I don’t have that anymore.
Scott: And so anyway, YouTube premium, a high recommendation.
Scott: And Peter already knew, welcome to 2014 or whatever for Peter.
Peter: I concur.
Peter: Little update, I think I don’t remember if we talked about it on the show, but you and I talked, I mentioned a while ago how FoodNoms AI mode was not even trying anymore.
Peter: Last week, after my long run, I went to get ice cream, and I got like three exotic flavors.
Peter: You know, it was like maple mousse trex plus, you know, tropical coconut something and peanut butter, blah, blah, blah.
Peter: And I go and I give it this description of all these things and, you know, and then take a picture of it.
Peter: And I send it.
Peter: It’s like thinking, thinking ice cream.
Peter: Like after all the description of it, it just said, yep, you had a cup of ice cream and that was it.
Peter: And I was like, that’s it.
Peter: So I emailed the developer and they probably came back.
Peter: You know, my email was like, look, your AI agent, it’s not even trying anymore.
Peter: I’m going through, I give it a photo.
Peter: I give it this very detailed list of the ingredients or I copied and pasted the text from the menu on this sandwich that I had.
Peter: And it’s like, that’s a roast beef sandwich.
Peter: And like, yeah, you’re not wrong, but you’re not right either.
Peter: So they did.
Scott: I was wondering if sometimes there’s times where like you had a mix of ice creams.
Scott: How’s it supposed to, you know, I feel like it’s just averaging and outgoing.
Scott: I’m just going to give them generic ice cream because the calories and so forth are probably an average of.
Peter: I don’t think so because a regular ice cream is going to have fewer calories than like a premium thing loaded with extra nuts and chocolate and swirls and things.
Peter: So, if you just take like plain old vanilla ice cream and you compare it versus peanut butter something, something, something, you should end up in a different ballpark.
Scott: For sure.
Peter: So anyway, they wrote back promptly, said that they were making some changes and they asked me to try it again and I did today.
Peter: And it seems like it’s working again.
Peter: So I’m very happy.
Peter: FoodNoms, Ryan and company, thank you so much for your attention to this matter.
Scott: Yeah, FoodNoms is great.
Scott: It is the best food tracker I’ve used.
Scott: When Ryan first brought out FoodNoms, it took a little while to build up the database to a point where it wasn’t annoying because I was constantly manually entering custom stuff all the time.
Peter: Yep.
Scott: Now, I almost never have to.
Scott: And search is good.
Scott: The AI, when I remember to use it, has been pretty good for me, but I bypassed your whole trip there that you just described because I haven’t used it recently.
Scott: One thing I do wish it would do, and I suggested this to Ryan and he never, I think he’s confused because when you search for a food, it will bring up recent entries that you have done, in addition to generic entries, just general entries from the database.
Scott: But it only is good at surfacing recent entries that you’ve done from the past, based on what time of day it is, all these other things, and then the very recent past.
Scott: What I want to do is be able to say, don’t search the database, only search things that I ate, and do it throughout this whole freaking year.
Scott: Because so many times I know I’ve eaten something, I know I’ve logged something, and I cannot get that exact entry again.
Scott: And the only way to find it is to go back manually through three months of entries to try to find it.
Scott: And I hate that.
Scott: What?
Scott: To me, it seems so obvious.
Scott: Your entries are your entries.
Scott: Search them and give me results from them, no matter what day it was, no matter what meal it was.
Peter: I would appreciate a search feature, just like, what did I eat?
Peter: It was that thing.
Peter: Let me find that.
Peter: Yes.
Peter: I think that would be useful.
Peter: I will email them on your behalf.
Scott: Thank you, because they respond to you.
Scott: They like it.
Peter: They do respond.
Scott: I say they.
Peter: They’ve responded to a couple.
Peter: Yeah.
Scott: It’s one guy, one person.
Peter: He replies the FoodNoms team.
Peter: So maybe it’s him and his AI.
Scott: OK.
Peter: Who is now working again.
Peter: So maybe now that his AI is working again, he has time to actually make a feature request, feature enhancement.
Scott: Maybe he used GPT-5 in Warp and it put some random characters in there and AI couldn’t work.
Peter: Could be.
Peter: So shall we move on to the heart of this episode?
Peter: We have a heart?
Peter: We do.
Peter: We have a heart and we have a heart rate monitor in the form of my Garmin Forerunner 955.
Scott: Solar.
Peter: Solar.
Scott: Astute fans, frequent fans, loyal fans, faithful fans, fans in general, electric fans, will know that Peter just talked about this last time.
Scott: But what he’s going to talk about this time is a little bit different because he has become a champion of the blogosphere and written a blog post about this.
Scott: And it’s actually a really good post, Peter.
Scott: So, oh, this is a note to myself.
Scott: Put a link to Peter’s blog post in the show notes.
Scott: I have to use that voice.
Scott: And anyway, so now that you’ve had more experience with it, you’ve had more time with it, and you’ve written up a very good breakdown of your thoughts on it.
Scott: Tell us what you think.
Peter: Listeners to the show will know that I have owned an Apple Watch Ultra 2, an Apple Watch Ultra, an Apple Watch Series 6, Series 4, and Series 2.
Peter: So, that goes back a while.
Peter: You can go back and see whenever the Series 2 came out.
Peter: That was like, what, 2017 or so?
Peter: It’s been a while.
Peter: I’ve had these things for some time now.
Peter: So, the Apple Watch has definitely become part of my life.
Peter: But, as I prepare for the longest run in my life to date, 50-mile ultra marathon, it became increasingly concerning that the battery life on the Ultra 2 was not going to be up to snuff.
Peter: Even if I disabled all the fanciness, like put it in airplane mode, low power mode, use an external Bluetooth heart rate sensor, etc.
Peter: I was still losing battery somewhere around, I said 8-10, but I think it was like 8-12% of battery life per hour.
Peter: So let’s say 10%.
Peter: That tells me I have 10 hours of battery life under optimal conditions on this thing.
Peter: 10 hours for me on a 50-mile run is possible, maybe.
Peter: I might be able to do that.
Peter: That’s 5 miles an hour for 10 hours without stopping.
Peter: But it’s going to cut it really, really close.
Peter: So at my coach’s suggestion, he said, yeah, you got to think about getting a Garmin.
Peter: I was like, all right.
Peter: So I took a look, and I ended up getting the Garmin Forerunner 955 solar.
Peter: It is an older version now.
Peter: It’s been out for a few years.
Peter: Apparently, these things have like about an, they say an eight-year life cycle usually, which I think is more than you can say for the Apple Watch.
Scott: That seems a little excessive given that mobile, it seems like sensors and stuff are improving at a better rate than that.
Scott: You know what I mean?
Peter: Could be, but people end up keeping these for longer than apples.
Peter: So I point down-
Scott: Well, I guess if the focus is tracking the activity that you’re doing, and it’s doing the job for you, then the problem’s solved.
Peter: And you’re consistent.
Peter: Your precision is going to be the same because you’re using the same meters all the time.
Peter: So if you get what you get and it’s good, then you stay with it.
Peter: So yeah, so I tried it.
Peter: I bought it.
Peter: It’s been a little over a week.
Peter: It was a week when I wrote this blog post.
Peter: And I just want to go over my impressions on it.
Peter: I want to start off with the things that I miss from the Apple watch.
Peter: And no surprise, like right off the bat, I’m actually missing a lot more than I would have thought.
Peter: Hard to believe, but I miss Siri on the Apple watch.
Peter: Even though it often fails, there’s a lot of times that it actually does work and actually does what I ask it to do.
Scott: These are bold statements you’re making.
Peter: You know, one of the most frequently things is like, hey, dingus, add Greek yogurt to the shopping list or something like that, right?
Peter: Just if I remember something randomly, I want to put it on the shopping list, go, or remind me to do such and such when I get home.
Peter: The ability to make a call from the watch, you know, hey, dingus, call Scott Willis is really good, right?
Peter: Or the ability to call 911 or hold the two buttons to emergency dial 911.
Peter: Those things are things that I haven’t yet, thankfully missed, but I could miss that.
Peter: The ability to send a text.
Peter: Garmin has this messenger app where I supposedly set it up and I granted it access to my contacts.
Peter: But when I try to send a message to you via messenger, it’s like you need to set up contacts using the messenger app.
Peter: I’m like, I did, twice, and it doesn’t work.
Scott: So, what is it actually sending it through?
Scott: Because I don’t have a Garmin messenger app.
Peter: I think that they operate an SMS gateway of sorts.
Scott: Okay, that must be what it is, yeah.
Peter: Right, but I don’t, I can’t, I mean, I could read the documentation, but who’s got time for that?
Peter: But what I’d like to do is actually send you a text and see what it looks like when it gets there, right?
Peter: But I haven’t been able to do that.
Peter: I missed the ability to…
Scott: Did you have your contacts through the…
Peter: I did, I have thought about it, so much so that I did it.
Peter: I missed the ability to track my medications on the watch.
Peter: I log, you know, get ready to go to bed, pop a melatonin, lie down.
Peter: Oh, I didn’t log it.
Peter: I could usually just open the meds app on my phone, on my watch and do it.
Peter: Now I have to reach over to the phone, blast blue light into my eyes again, while I find the medications app and do it.
Peter: And I know all these things are super ultra first world prime problems.
Scott: Yeah, but you get used to it and they do reduce friction.
Peter: Bingo.
Scott: They do reduce friction.
Peter: Yep.
Peter: The ability to respond to notifications.
Peter: People will say, you can get all your notifications on the watch, on the Garmin.
Peter: I’m like, yeah, I can get them, but I can’t do anything about it, right?
Peter: So paraphrasing Seinfeld, you know, in the old, you know how to take the reservation, but you don’t know how to hold the reservation.
Peter: Garmin knows how to deliver the notification, but you can’t respond to the notification.
Peter: And that’s the important part, the responding.
Peter: To be perfectly fair, there’s a fair number of times when I respond and nothing happens, and you have zero way of knowing that without looking at the phone.
Peter: So I don’t miss that ambiguity and the uncertainty of like, did I respond or not?
Peter: I’m not sure.
Peter: At least I had a chance to respond using the Apple Watch.
Peter: Now I don’t.
Peter: Another big one, responding to authenticator apps.
Scott: Yes.
Scott: Oh my God.
Peter: I like leaving the phone inside.
Peter: I’m sitting outside on the back porch, typing away on the laptop.
Peter: I get ready to write this very blog post that I’m paraphrasing, and I need to log in and authenticate.
Peter: And I get the message on my watch saying, hey, you’ve got to do an authenticator message.
Peter: Great.
Peter: Thanks.
Peter: I get up, walk back into the house, pick up the phone and bring it back to sit with me again.
Scott: I do love that about the Apple watch, and I will say there’s a couple authorization services that are used specifically for specific websites that surprised me in how well they integrate with the watch.
Scott: Like they just pop up and you can just tap the green approval right there and it’s great.
Scott: Yeah.
Scott: Things like that.
Scott: It’s amazing.
Peter: Huge, huge.
Peter: The ability to pause playback, start playback, you know, play music via the watch.
Peter: You know, it’s like, hey, dingus, play my energy running playlist, right?
Peter: Can’t do that.
Peter: Or if something’s going, because now with what AirPlay 2, I guess, I don’t know, sometime within the last few years, it used to be if the iPhone was playing something, even if it was streaming at AirPlaying or something, and you got a phone call, playback would stop.
Peter: That changed.
Peter: I think it was AirPlay 2, so you can get a phone call and it will continue to play.
Peter: I like to be able to say, hey, stop.
Peter: But if it’s playing music and the phone is ringing, you can’t say, hey, dingus, stop playback.
Peter: It doesn’t hear you, right?
Scott: Right, yeah.
Peter: But I could say that to my watch.
Scott: Yep.
Peter: And it would stop.
Peter: Can’t do that anymore.
Peter: I don’t have any of the home automation features.
Peter: Turn on the lights, unlock the front door, get a picture of the person standing at the front door.
Peter: Don’t have that.
Peter: Better user interface.
Peter: The Apple watch, you know, it takes a little getting used to, but it’s just that, a little getting used to.
Peter: The Garmin user interface is very complex, and it takes a lot of learning to, you know, find my way around.
Peter: I’m learning it, but it’s nowhere near as intuitive.
Peter: And I can’t just say, you know, hey, dingus, open settings or pause or start a five-minute timer, right?
Peter: These are all things I have to navigate, find the right button, press.
Peter: Is this a press this button or a hold this button?
Peter: I don’t remember, yada, yada, yada.
Peter: So that’s that.
Peter: Charging, oh my God.
Peter: Charging an Apple watch, so superior to charging a Garmin.
Peter: You know, Garmin, you have to, it’s a little physical proprietary connector.
Peter: It has to plug in, ka-chunk into this little thing and you charge it.
Peter: It’s, it just feels old school.
Peter: It’s like, it feels like charging my old Nokia flip phone.
Peter: You know, that’s, that’s what it’s like.
Peter: It’s a little weird.
Peter: Music, can’t stream music on the Garmin.
Peter: It does have support for everything but Apple music, right?
Peter: Amazon, Spotify, YouTube music.
Peter: And I was able to download my most popular YouTube music playlists to the Garmin.
Peter: That’s nice.
Peter: I will say that since I had canceled cellular service on my Apple watch, this isn’t really a different, you know, because I’m essentially playing music through the phone anyway.
Peter: But it would be nice to have.
Peter: But generally, the only thing I’m playing when I run for music is my just my running playlist, my cadence on 180 beats per minute.
Peter: But podcasts, I can’t listen to podcasts on the Garmin.
Peter: I suppose if I went back to Spotify, that I could use that for all my podcasts, but I really don’t want to.
Peter: So again, given that I generally listen to them using the phone, not huge.
Peter: The display on the, again, and this is a, you know, it’s a few years old watch, right?
Peter: But the display on the 955, night and day difference, the Apple watch, all the Apple watches completely, utterly own this, you know, like customizing the faces, the utilities, putting on the faces.
Peter: I have a face that’s just full of timers that I use when I’m teaching a yoga class.
Scott: Yeah, I was going to say you, that was an example that I never thought of, but immediately I thought that’s brilliant because there have been times I wanted to do timers while doing exercise and.
Peter: Bingo.
Scott: You don’t want to stop and fumble around.
Peter: And I don’t even know at this point, I tried interrupting at one point and I ended up stopping the workout that I was doing, like completely, not just pausing it.
Peter: So I didn’t even know.
Peter: I figured out how to do it.
Peter: I can’t remember how to do it now.
Peter: So I have to like look it up again before Tuesday when I teach yoga again.
Peter: Replacing the bands.
Peter: You want to replace the watch band on an Apple watch.
Peter: It’s trivial.
Peter: You know, your thumbnail goes into the little thing.
Peter: You release it, pop it out, pop it out on the other side, put the new one in.
Peter: I bought a pair, you know, a three pack of replaceable bands similar to the Apple Watch Ultra Trail Loop.
Peter: They were eight bucks.
Peter: They feel like they were eight bucks, but hey, they hold it on my wrist.
Peter: That’s what counts.
Peter: But you know, it’s like I needed a little eyeglass or watch style repair screwdriver and had to like fiddle with it.
Peter: And like, you know, it’s almost the point where I needed my reading glasses to see where I’m doing.
Peter: It was like, okay, definitely a more manual process.
Scott: It doesn’t, which doesn’t make sense because the Apple ones have never come off.
Scott: Like they don’t come off.
Scott: It’s not a danger that, oh my God, this thing is meant for extreme sports.
Scott: So therefore it has to be this way.
Scott: No, it doesn’t have to be that way.
Scott: Yep.
Peter: So that was the, so those are the things I miss about Apple.
Scott: Now, please tell us the things that you do not miss about Apple.
Peter: Well, I’m going to tell you the things that I like about Garmin.
Peter: Oh, here are the things I like about Garmin.
Peter: Battery life, hands down, no comparison.
Peter: Even at 36 hours on the Apple Watch Ultra, that is just a blanking joke.
Peter: This thing has like a three week battery life.
Scott: I don’t think it’s really 36 hours anymore anyway.
Scott: I’d be-
Peter: I don’t either, I don’t either.
Peter: Not even close.
Peter: But this thing, it’s literally, I don’t think about the battery at all.
Scott: Which is good, because when you do think about it, you have to go dig out that-
Peter: I have to go charge it.
Peter: Exactly.
Peter: So yeah, I mean, the thing is too, is like they say it’s 36 hours, and sure, that’s twice as much as 18 hours on your regular about Apple Watch, which also I never really don’t feel like I could have really gotten 18 hours unless it was doing absolutely nothing that whole time.
Peter: And I was like, there’s no way, because I remember when they introduced the Ultra, they had a video of Scott Jurek running with it.
Peter: And I was like, oh my god, this is going to be amazing.
Peter: I was like, there’s no way he can run 100 mile around this.
Peter: I was like, oh wait, okay, maybe he can.
Peter: He might be able to fit a 100 mile race in the Ultra using it with GPS and Bluetooth and blah, blah, blah, heart rate monitor and stuff.
Scott: I used to get way better battery life with the Ultra series than I do now.
Scott: I’m comparing the original Ultra 1 to the Ultra 2 that I have now with a replaced battery because I had this watch replaced.
Scott: This battery is not old.
Scott: I think the OS is killing battery more than ever before.
Scott: I think that maybe that ad was true at the time, but it’s certainly not true now.
Peter: I tend to agree.
Peter: The Garmin has five buttons on it.
Peter: Now, of course, the Ultra has three.
Peter: While sometimes I have trouble figuring out and remembering what button does what, sometimes it is nice having buttons, sometimes not using a touch screen when I’m sweaty and dirty or it’s raining outside is actually nice.
Scott: Moving.
Peter: Yeah.
Peter: So sometimes having a button is actually useful.
Peter: My running coach, their website uses a third party app, which lets me just take my training schedule and click and it goes right to the watch.
Peter: So today, I was supposed to do a 45 minute easy run with this pace, and this heart rate range.
Peter: I just click send and I say, okay, I’m going to start a running workout.
Peter: It’s like, this is what’s scheduled for today.
Peter: Do you want to do this workout?
Peter: And I say, yes.
Scott: That is nice.
Peter: It’s very nice, right?
Peter: Because other than that, if you want to do that, I guess there are some 30 part, 30 part third party apps that let you do that.
Peter: But they’re hit or miss as far as success goes.
Scott: Yeah, I don’t think Apple understands that people plan and share and track their workouts in a specific way.
Scott: I don’t think, no, why have none of the athletes that helped contribute to the design of the Apple Watch ever told them, hey, we really, this is what we do every day.
Scott: I don’t get it.
Scott: I don’t get it.
Peter: Because they weren’t in the room in that all white room with one chair and one table when they were designing this in Cupertino.
Peter: So that’s way cooler.
Peter: Definitely there’s more in-depth analysis in the Garmin Connect app than what I get in Apple workouts.
Peter: And it also does more actionable insights.
Peter: Like instead of just saying, you got six hours of sleep last night.
Peter: Smiley.
Peter: You know, it says your sleep was really bad.
Peter: We think you’re training readiness for today is poor.
Peter: You should listen to your body.
Peter: And just that extra little feedback was enough for me to say today, you know what, I am feeling not great.
Peter: I’m not going to just try to push through it.
Peter: I’m going to push this to another rest and recovery day, and I’ll do my run tomorrow morning.
Scott: Yeah.
Peter: So already, I think that’s a plus.
Scott: The fact that they tie it directly to, here’s how it’s going to impact your workout is nice, because if it was me and they said, you didn’t sleep well last night, I’d be like, no kidding, Sherlock.
Scott: But I wouldn’t then go, oh, I wonder if I should take it easier on my workout today or not.
Scott: I’d just be all right, here goes my stupid workout, and I’m going to hate every second of it.
Peter: Yep.
Peter: When I’m in a workout, Garmin seamlessly sends notifications from the Forerunner to my AirPods through the phone.
Peter: I had not paired the watch to the AirPods, and I was listening to either a podcast or music on the phone, and I was running, and it told me, at the one mile mark, it told me, or it was like a cadence, it gave me feedback saying, you’re in your pace range or something.
Peter: And it just came through seamlessly, the audio, whatever was playing was muted for a little bit, or ducked down a little bit, I could hear what it said, and then it went right back to playing.
Peter: Apple sometimes seems able to do this, but sometimes it doesn’t.
Peter: Sometimes Apple will just stop playback altogether.
Peter: Sometimes it will stop playback, give me the message, and then playback starts again.
Peter: Sometimes the Apple Watch will start giving me workout notifications, and then like three miles in, just never say another thing.
Scott: Or sometimes it will be giving a notification, and then fail to give the notification, but the rest of the audio is still ducked, and it never comes back up again.
Peter: Bingo.
Peter: And yet, that has never happened to me for the week I’ve had it on the Garmin.
Peter: It just works seamlessly every single time.
Peter: If only Apple could figure out what this other company Apple is doing in their Apple software stack to send these notifications.
Scott: I’ve had so many times where suddenly volumes change levels coming into my AirPods, and I can’t get it to go back, and it’s crazy.
Peter: The Forerunner 955 solar, noticeably lighter than the Ultra 2.
Peter: I don’t remember exactly the weight differences between the two, but it is significant enough.
Peter: I can feel the difference.
Scott: Well, is it made out of brushed aluminum?
Peter: No, it’s plastic.
Scott: Yeah, see, that’s what I’m saying, right?
Peter: And then finally, I was able to very easily pair this with the same external heart rate monitor that I use with Apple.
Peter: What’s really cool is when you go to start a workout, the Garmin will give a second or so, a minute or so, not quite a minute.
Peter: It takes a little time, but it’ll tell you when it’s connected to GPS, and it’ll tell you when it’s connected to the external heart rate monitor.
Peter: Apple will tell you nothing, because Apple loves to tell people nothing.
Peter: Apple has always believed that the more you tell people, the more they’ll use it against you.
Peter: So with Apple, it’s like, did I connect these to Bluetooth?
Peter: The only hint that I didn’t is that my heart rate is spiking, like 50 beats per minute more than what should have caused a heart attack, and then I have to go open settings, open Bluetooth, and look and like, oh, look, it’s not connected.
Peter: Connect.
Peter: Oh, now it’s connected.
Peter: Now I can resume my workout.
Peter: With the Garmin, that hasn’t happened.
Peter: It has reliably, every time I go to start a workout, I look at the Bluetooth heart rate monitor and it’s like, yeah, we’re connected.
Peter: It just works.
Scott: Yeah, that is one thing I remember about.
Scott: I used to use Garmin devices on my bike, and I do remember that kind of feedback is, okay, now we’re connected.
Scott: It would show you which of your bike sensors are connected.
Scott: Because like if you had a pedal sensor, if you had any sensors on your bike in addition to your bike computer, and it would tell you when it was connected to the satellites, it would tell you all that stuff.
Scott: So it was really good about making sure you understood what it was connected to and when.
Peter: Yep.
Peter: And I don’t know why, you know, Apple, I know why they don’t do it.
Peter: It’s a culture thing.
Peter: They just don’t believe in that.
Peter: Things that are the same or close enough, right?
Peter: Workout tracking.
Peter: Pretty much, you know, I start a workout, I go work out and I do the workout.
Peter: Great.
Peter: You know, it’s pretty much what you’d expect.
Peter: So nothing major.
Peter: So I start a workout and I track a workout and it just works.
Peter: And that’s pretty much the same.
Peter: Now, there are definitely some discrepancies even though.
Peter: So I have two of the identical heart rate monitors and I wore them both on the same shoulder.
Peter: And even though the heart rate that was reported back to the Garmin app and the Apple watch for my first couple of workouts where I was wearing both were identical, they both came up with significant different calorie burns for all of them.
Peter: They were off, like one of them said I burned like 1700 active calories.
Peter: The other thought it was like 1400 active calories, even though the heart rate was the same.
Peter: So the only thing I can think that might be related or causing that is Garmin seems to think that I’m in better shape than Apple does.
Peter: And I think it’s because Garmin only has a week’s worth of data on me, whereas Apple has several years, and I think my health has been improving.
Peter: So if you just take a snapshot of where I am today, which Garmin has, I look like I’m in better shape than I was say 10 years ago.
Peter: So that’s the only thing I can think that’s going on there.
Peter: GPS navigation, if you take a GPSX file, you can import it right into the Garmin and run this workout.
Peter: This is the trail for today.
Peter: For Apple, you need a separate app for that.
Peter: I used one called Footpath, and it’s okay.
Peter: It’s not great.
Peter: The experience I had with Garmin on back roads was much better navigation-wise than the experience I’ve had with Footpath on trails.
Peter: So it’s not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
Peter: It could be that Footpath would be just as good on roads.
Peter: It could be that Garmin would be just as bad on trails.
Peter: I don’t know.
Peter: We’ll find out eventually.
Peter: Safety features.
Peter: So Apple Watch has things like fall detection, the ability to call for help.
Peter: The Apple Watch Ultra has a siren on it.
Peter: These are all things I’ve never used.
Peter: Two years, I’ve had an Apple, two plus years?
Peter: What?
Peter: I’ve had an Ultra since the Ultra came out.
Peter: I’ve never even gotten around to testing the siren.
Peter: I wanted to.
Peter: And every time I’ve gone out there alone, so I wouldn’t disturb anyone else, I’ve always forgotten to test it.
Peter: So don’t use it.
Peter: The only time I don’t think fall detection, I don’t remember if it has genuinely detected a fall.
Peter: The only time I can remember fall detection going off for me was when I was working out on a punching bag once and it thought I fell.
Peter: And all I did was deliver a really solid left hook.
Peter: So those, I guess I don’t miss those features.
Peter: Now I do know that Garmin has this incident detection feature.
Peter: I have not yet tried that.
Peter: Now on to the things that are just different.
Peter: I talked about the turn by turn app function that’s built in.
Peter: The Garmin has a lot more functionality that you generally have to find and pay for in third-party apps on the Apple Store, right?
Peter: So there’s a lot of stuff that it’s really geared towards athletes.
Peter: And I appreciate that.
Peter: Sinking from your watch to the Garmin database, to the Garmin Cloud, is seamless and happens nearly immediately.
Peter: Sinking, however, to Strava or to Apple Health seems to happen maybe every 30 minutes or so.
Peter: So, there’s definitely a lag.
Peter: And I’m not exactly sure why, but I guess, you know, it doesn’t happen.
Peter: It’s not like a push-style thing that happens on the Apple ecosystem.
Peter: For whatever reason, when you look in Garmin Connect, there’s a map associated with every one of my workouts.
Peter: And when it uploads it to Strava, there’s a map associated with every one of my workouts.
Peter: And when you look in Apple Health and Workouts app, there is no map.
Peter: So for whatever reason…
Scott: That’s like a failure of Garmin to push some data.
Peter: It doesn’t show the map into Apple Health.
Peter: And so I’m a little disappointed because every now and then I like to go back and see those maps.
Peter: Well, now I have to go back into the Garmin ecosystem.
Peter: I don’t have all my stuff in one place anymore.
Peter: A little disappointed about that.
Peter: And I already talked about how Garmin seems to think I’m in better shape.
Peter: Things that are just bad about the Garmin.
Peter: The documentation is, I’ve found it at least two different times, features that I’ve been looking for.
Peter: The documentation is just wrong.
Peter: On one, it told me that I needed to do like a long press on a button to invoke the menu, which is like a long press on the up button.
Peter: What it meant was just press it once.
Peter: And so I’m banging my head against the wall, rereading this one set of like four bullet points, trying to figure out what’s going on until I accidentally pressed it and didn’t hold it and found out that that’s what it meant.
Peter: It also, I was trying to like, it has the same flashlight feature, just like you can turn the display into bright white, just like an Apple watch.
Peter: And it’s like, oh, yeah, just hold this button and then select the flashlight icon from the list.
Peter: There is no flashlight icon on the list.
Peter: And this is not just a generic, you know, some watches thing.
Peter: This is the manual for the Garmin Forerunner 955 solar.
Scott: That was generated by Gpt 5?
Peter: I don’t think so.
Peter: I think it predates that.
Peter: So it’s just plain wrong.
Peter: Also, I tried to set a silent timer because when I’m teaching yoga, I want a timer, but I don’t want it going buzz, you know, to my students, right?
Peter: I just want to haptic feedback.
Peter: And again, the steps that were given was wrong.
Peter: It was like, it implied or expressly told me to press and hold when it meant no, just click once.
Peter: So those are a little annoying.
Scott: Okay.
Scott: So what if instead of going buzz, it would go, hey, have you checked your testosterone levels lately?
Peter: I don’t want that either, because that’s also another audio thing.
Peter: And this is again, something I was having this conversation with my friend last night, I was telling him about the haptic directions when you’re like driving in the car or walking, and it buzzes a certain, you know, a certain pattern to turn left or a certain pattern to turn right.
Peter: That’s awesome.
Peter: It’s super cool.
Peter: It’s great.
Peter: It even it would have saved me yesterday.
Peter: I almost missed a turn when I was dictating a message to you while driving because I wasn’t staring at the map.
Peter: My eyes were on the road and I couldn’t get audio because I was talking to you.
Peter: So, you know, whereas if I had been wearing an Apple watch, I would have felt the buzz buzz letting me know, hey, there’s a turn coming up ahead.
Scott: I feel blank.
Peter: And that didn’t happen.
Peter: And, you know, he was like, oh, I would hate that.
Peter: I’m like, yeah, I know.
Peter: I hate when like I’m having a conversation with someone or I’m listening to a podcast and it invite, you know, he comes and talks over that and like turn left.
Peter: And also, you know, when it screws up playback and then I have to play again.
Peter: Right.
Peter: So I prefer the haptic feedback, not an option on the Garmin.
Peter: So you might want to know, which do I like better?
Scott: Peter, which do you like better?
Peter: I’m so glad you asked.
Peter: And I’m going to tell you right now, both.
Peter: I have decided that given that I am running a 50-mile race, I am an athlete.
Peter: And an athlete is definitely going to be better served by an athlete’s watch.
Peter: And no matter what, Cupertino will tell you, that is not an Apple watch.
Peter: It was good enough for me, up to a 50k.
Peter: It’s not good enough for a 50-miler.
Peter: So the athlete in me will keep the Garmin.
Peter: But you may recall, I started off with a long list of features that I miss on the Apple watch.
Peter: The tech geek in me is best served by an Apple watch.
Peter: So my current plan is, I have told Apple I am trading in my Apple watch Ultra 2.
Peter: I’ll be shipping it back to them as soon as the box arrives and taking my $375 credit, along with a smidge of AppleCare refund.
Peter: And most likely, next month, when they introduce the Series 11, I will buy one of those.
Peter: And I will use that for my day to day stuff.
Peter: But when it comes to my running workouts, I will pivot and switch to the Garmin.
Peter: Is it excessive?
Peter: Kind of.
Peter: Should most people do that?
Peter: Probably not.
Peter: But if you are both a tech geek who really, really appreciates all of the functionality and cool whiz bang features of the Apple watch, and you happen to be an athlete who really can benefit from the extra functionality and the athlete-centric ecosystem of Garmin, you might just have to get two watches like I do.
Scott: I don’t necessarily know that you have to be a tech geek to benefit from it.
Scott: You have to be somebody that communicates, plans and wants to respond to notifications.
Scott: That’s not a tech geek necessarily.
Scott: That’s just a human in today’s world.
Peter: I disagree, I think most people in this world don’t use not even one quarter of the functionality of the Apple watch.
Peter: I think most people just use it as a fancy watch.
Scott: I don’t know.
Scott: I don’t think there’s any way for either of us to say.
Peter: I’m just going on evidence that I’ve seen.
Peter: Most people are like, you can do that?
Peter: Oh, I didn’t know you could do that whenever I post or point out something that I think that you and I take for granted.
Peter: Like what you didn’t use, of course you use it like that, but you didn’t know you could do that?
Peter: I think a lot of people just don’t understand all the functionality and the power that they have on their wrists.
Scott: Well, anyway, yeah, I don’t see anything wrong with having both because I don’t think the Garmin fits the everyday needs very well, and I don’t think the Apple Watch fits the needs of people that need to run 50 to 100 miles very well.
Peter: Pretty much.
Scott: However, has Garmin ever presented Donald Trump with a Corning Glass and Gold Trophy?
Peter: I’d say it’s safe to say no.
Scott: Then Apple clearly wins on that front.
Peter: Clearly.
Scott: You gotta give the Participation Prize to Tim Cook for that one.
Peter: Apple has definitely kissed more ass than Garmin.
Scott: Yes.
Peter: No question.
Peter: Yep.
Peter: Kissed more ass and licked more boots.
Scott: Yep.
Peter: So on that note, I think that’s a wrap.
Peter: What do you think?
Scott: I think it’s a wrap.
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Peter: There’s links to how to contact us.
Peter: They’ll have links to my review of the Garmin.
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Peter: Just think about it.
Peter: No pressure.
Scott: Now, wait a minute.
Scott: Do both, because I would use the tip jar stuff to pay server costs.
Peter: Oh, do both.
Scott: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Peter: Absolutely.
Scott: Yes.
Peter: Well, here’s here’s like any any I’ll split.
Peter: I’ll split the pennies that I get.
Scott: No, no, no, no, no.
Scott: Those are yours.
Scott: Those are on your blog.
Scott: Those belong to you.
Peter: Yeah, but it’s on our podcast.
Scott: But yeah, no, I if you’re clicking Peter’s affiliate links, send him on them and don’t let him and specifically put instructions in there saying, Peter, do not share this with Scott.
Peter: Don’t share this with Scott.
Peter: Got it.
Peter: Okay.
Peter: Yeah.
Peter: Well, if you actually tell me to not send it to Scott, then I won’t send it to Scott.
Scott: Yeah, I don’t want to steal Peter’s affiliate money.
Scott: That’s his.
Scott: That’s 100% his.
Scott: And it’s on me for not making a way for people to help us.
Scott: Actually, Riverside is our biggest cost at this point.
Scott: I got to figure that out.
Scott: But anyway.
Scott: All right, people, you heard, you heard, you heard, you heard.
Peter: Tell your friends, tell your friends you heard.