Episode 17 – The Most Mundane Halloween

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Friends with Brews!

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Episode 17, take two.

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Friends with Brews?

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Hi, Peter.

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Hi, Scott.

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I have three brews today. I was trying to tell you when things weren’t working,

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and I thought they were working, but they weren’t working,

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that I have a Get Drunk Quick kit today. I brought a backpack full of ice with my

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brews in it, following from the example of Peter Nikolaidis, who is always well-prepared.

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The Peter School of Get Drunk Quick.

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Right, but then I had a technical problem and now my cup is pretty much not icy anymore.

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Well I have a technical problem in that I can’t get my stupid boom mic to show up in a way that

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does not either obscure my camera or my monitor and just I…

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There’s no way to do it so don’t even worry about it.

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But I just…

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Since we had a problem I’m gonna deviate from the way we did it before and I’m gonna introduce

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my first beer first and that is if you remember from before or if you use the

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search engine on our site now are you drunk already did you say the search

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engine friendswithbrews.com no I didn’t are you making fun of the way I

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was no you sounded like you were showing your no or your speech I was not I’m

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talking I’m glad that we’ve recorded we’ve recorded it so we can we can have

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proof if you search the engine you’ll see that last year I had a rogue Santa’s

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private reserve and I didn’t care for it apparently they have a different rogue

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Santa’s private reserve this year it’s called honey mamas and I’m going to

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drink it now here’s what it looks like if you can see that honey mamas okay it

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says what does it say oh my god I can’t read because it’s dark in here it says

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Tahini tangerine and chocolate flavored stout boy they’ve got like five

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paragraphs of writing to get to what this beer actually is it’s like they

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wrote a story on here that’s impressive so anyway I’ll see if this was better

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than last year’s rogue Santa Reserve so now tell me about your beer again which

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you already told me about and I apologize immensely I am having a whole

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garden with beer so it’s a it’s a summer summery beer a wheat beer right and boy

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when I popped the cap and I sniffed this oh it smells so yeasty and weedy okay

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great and yes what the German pronunciation of Hoegaarden is better

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than it would be if you were like a southerner I got my beer down at the ho

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garden okay I got down the ho garden is that better yeah okay fine ho garden

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anyway so it’s a cloudy wheaty light beer I’m gonna take a nice sip honestly that

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That looks like you were working out and you didn’t want to actually go to the bathroom

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so that you use whatever container was available.

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So glad that I have you muted right now and I can’t hear what you’re saying because I

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have a feeling that it’s gross or derogatory.

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I don’t know how I would know that though.

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Anyway, yeah, this is great.

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All right, let me taste mine.

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This is not bad.

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This is much better than last year’s.

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I don’t know how I feel about it yet, but it is very much better than that thing I had

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last year, which had wood chips in it or whatever it was.

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actual woodchips but you know what I mean. It’s still… yeah Rogue is one of those frenemies

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of mine. They definitely… there’s something about those guys. There’s a couple good ones

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and then the rest are marginal and then there’s some that are really bad. This one I would

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call somewhat marginal. I don’t think I would buy this again on purpose but I don’t mind

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it. It’s pretty it’s pretty okay. So don’t tell my neighbor because she bought this for

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me as a gift for house sitting for her this summer. I won’t tell her but this podcast might.

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Right but I know she’s not gonna listen so that’s okay. This is not my favorite wheat beer. I like

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wheat beers a lot. This one is not very flavorful though. Doesn’t have a lot going on. Peter can I

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make a comment? If you weren’t constantly bad mouthing people we could have a lot more listeners

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because you wouldn’t be afraid to say “hey listen to my podcast” but don’t listen to that part where

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I totally say bad things about you. I didn’t bad mouth her I just said I didn’t really like the

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beer that much that she gave me a lot of other nice beers it’s just this one you know one out

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of six i think the exact words you used were what a present no if you make me spew the present beer

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all over my macbook m2 i will not forgive you oh my god that is awesome what a present okay so the

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The other brew I have today-

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I just gotta keep swearing so you have to keep bleeping it out.

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That’s fine.

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The other brew that I have today is,

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I have a Backporch Coffee Roasters single track.

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And this is, as you might imagine, a coffee,

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my friend Peter, from Backporch Coffee Roasters.

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And this coffee is an Antigua Guatemala coffee

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under the name of Hunapu.

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I don’t know what that means.

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It says Hunapu is a blend of small producer farms from around Antigua.

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Anyway, they claim that this coffee has notes of dried fig, cacao nibs, and molasses.

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And I will say that this is a very smooth coffee.

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Like I can, for a 24 ounce cup, I can use 20 grams of this stuff and it not be too strong

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or bitter at all.

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It’s very good.

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Okay.

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For a way, what size cup?

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What size cup?

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24 ounce.

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24?

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Okay.

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And I can put a whole 20 grams of this coffee in there.

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Now, these back porch roasters are located somewhere in Oregon, but I have to

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find out where.

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Oh, Bend, Oregon.

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Okay.

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So, they’re in Hipster Bend.

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Okay.

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Well, to round out my beer, my Hoegarten, it’s from Belgium.

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It’s a Belgian wheat beer.

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It’s apparently this brewery’s been around for like, I don’t know, well, the village

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has been around for around 600 years anyway.

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So that’s, you know, they’ve got some staying power.

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The beer has been around for 599 years.

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Yeah, exactly. It’s about 4.9% alcohol. And again, it’s a wheaty, light, I would say

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it like a summer beer. It probably would taste good with like a little lemon twist or an

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orange that might help.

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Did you say Wheaties?

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It’s good. I mean, it’s a refreshing. Yeah, it’s Wheaties. Just pour it on your

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Wheaties and everything’s good. No, I like it. It’s okay. But it’s just a little weak.

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And you know, when I think Belgian beers, I think like punch in the mouth strong. So

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this is not like that.

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First of all, the beer might call you weak.

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And then secondly,

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why do you want to punch things in the mouth?

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My alcohol is 6.5% and 19 IBUs.

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What’s 91 SRM?

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What’s that?

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Is that a molasses index?

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Yeah.

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I have no idea.

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I think that’s a molasses index, right?

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There’s a molasses index?

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No, I’m just kidding.

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But there’s tahini, tangerine, and chocolate.

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So there’s no molasses in here.

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The molasses are in my coffee, not my beer.

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Why do they have an SRM on this?

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What is SRM?

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S…

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Oh, beer SRM rating.

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Beers with friends?

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Friends with SRMs.

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Oh, beer colors, the SRM color guide for beer styles.

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Interesting, I’ve never had a,

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I don’t remember having had a beer

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that cared about the, oh my God, don’t do that.

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I did not know that was a thing.

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I didn’t know that there was a rating of beer colors.

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Yeah, I didn’t either.

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Ah, okay.

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So I’m using, I’m using, this isn’t on our documents,

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but I just got reminded of it by the fact

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that I just used it because I accidentally maximized

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my Safari window.

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Okay.

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And I just put it back to the right half of the screen

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using Control + Alt + Right Arrow.

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Do you know, do you know why?

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Do you know how I can do that?

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Does that ring a bell with you?

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Control + Alt + Right Arrow.

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Yeah, look, there’s something in your menu bar upstairs

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It’ll tell you how I did that.

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Oh, you’re using Rectangle.

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I’m using Rectangle Pro.

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You’re the one who turned me onto it.

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I was using Moom or something like that before.

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And I gotta say, this is much better.

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I really like this.

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Agreed.

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I also used Moom.

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And when the free trial expired, I was like,

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oh, okay, I gotta buy this.

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And then I was like, you know, I’m just not getting it.

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It wasn’t as intuitive for some reason.

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I was like, okay, I just have these little bars

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little buttons there. And then I looked up and I said, “There’s got to be another way to do this,

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to automatically tile my windows or stick this in the top first third or something like that.”

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And sure enough, there was. I found this open source thing called Rectangle,

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which does exactly that. Pretty much direct competitor to Moom. And it’s free,

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except you paid for the pro version, which is around the same price.

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Right. It’s not very expensive at all. It’s well worth it. I can’t remember what the differences

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between the Pro and the free versions are except that I think it lets me save layouts,

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for example. I can save the current layout, which is really nice. In fact, I’m doing that

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right now because this is my podcasting layout. And I think it gives you a few other key choices

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in terms of… And oh, this is cool. Look here. So this layout that I just saved with

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all my podcasting app windows, I can record a keyboard shortcut for it. I can trigger

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it on display connected. I could trigger it on display disconnected. I could bring Windows

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to the front. I can launch closed, minimize apps, only execute on front most app. It’s

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very cool. Like you can just say, so like if for some reason this layout was one that

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I only wanted to use when I was connected to an external monitor, let’s say if I had

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a laptop for example, I could do that. It’s pretty cool. It’s flexible. It’s a good app.

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It’s cool. Yeah, no, I like it. I’m enjoying rectangle and I do have it on my list to go

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ahead and subscribe you know pay for like the pay for yeah it’s not not subscribe it’s a it’s

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a one time yeah i haven’t haven’t had a chance to do that i’m sorry it’s not a subscription so much

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so many softwares are these days so i guess the consensus is my coffee i really enjoy this is a

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coffee that i’ve had before i will buy it again because i have bought it again the rogue santa’s

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private reserve for 2022, the honey mamas. It’s good. I will finish the six-pack that I bought

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without trepidation or regret. I will enjoy it, but I won’t buy it again.

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Okay. And then I have another beer for later if I get to that. We’ll see.

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Okay. I only grabbed one beer. That’s fine. Because I am going out. I don’t have a hard

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stop tonight, but I do have plans for afterwards, which may also involve a beer. Right. Yeah. So

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So save yourself for that.

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I’m saving myself for a beer.

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Sorry, babe.

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No, I can’t tonight.

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I’m saving myself.

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I’m saving myself for a beer.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Put your clothes back on.

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I’m saving myself for a beer.

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For a beer.

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So the other thing is I have to be careful

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because one of the things that I’ve done,

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which also isn’t on the list and I apologize,

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but I’m eating fewer calories now.

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I think we talked about this before.

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And, but I mean, I’m basically,

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I’m eating fewer calories per day

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and my net calories are the same,

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but what it lets me do is exercise a little bit less,

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but I feel less full throughout the day.

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I do have to be careful because depending on my workday,

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I can get to a point where I feel a little bit

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of a blood sugar drop.

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And that is the kind of thing that can happen to me.

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Yesterday, I wasn’t working

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and I still had quite a blood sugar drop before dinner.

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I could feel it.

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But in general, I would say that

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Even though it’s the same net calories,

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eating less calories and just exercising a little bit less,

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I actually feel a lot better.

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I think my body feels a lot better

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just going with less food in general.

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Okay.

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Yeah, and there’s definitely some theory

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and maybe science behind that about caloric restriction

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as a lifestyle and benefits thereof.

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Yeah.

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And hopefully I’ll get used to,

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’cause when I first started losing weight back in 2018,

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all the way through probably most of 2020,

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or at least through 2019 for sure,

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I had a pretty low total calorie intake.

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And then I slowly started upping it as my exercise went up.

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And so I got in the habit of eating a lot more,

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not a lot more, but a few hundred calories more food per day

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and then burning it off with exercise.

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And then I got trapped there because then I was,

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then my stomach wanted that much food all the time.

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Yep, I know that feeling.

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You get that and you have to start ratcheting it down.

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I mean, after I’ve finished running my marathons,

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I was like, yep, okay,

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I still wanna eat a whole pizza right now

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and I really shouldn’t.

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No more marathon pizzas, Peter.

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Better slow down.

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No more marathon pizzas and no more pizza marathons.

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Exactly.

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So, all right.

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So one thing we did wanna talk about,

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I know the transition was a little weird

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and a little confusing because we recorded some episodes

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where we were basically wondering,

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should we transition to Friends with Brews?

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And then we just kind of did it.

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So we never really officially detailed

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exactly what happened or why.

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But I think if you listen to episode 15

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on friendswithbrews.com,

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you’ll see that basically we decided,

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we were having coffee that day and we were like,

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you know what, we want flexibility to have coffee or tea

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or whatever, not always have to have beer.

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And that will give us more times

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when it’s appropriate for us to record.

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And/or we just don’t necessarily want to drink as much beer.

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So it’s also, and then Clay pointed out something

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that I’ll admit, selfishly, the bastard that I am,

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I didn’t even consider, which is the fact that

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it’s a more accessible podcast this way.

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It might interest more people.

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Because, yeah, okay, fine,

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there’s probably a lot of people that like beer,

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but most of those people probably also like coffee.

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Some of them might like tea,

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but there’s definitely people who might not like beer

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who do like coffee and tea.

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So I don’t know if the mix of different drinks that we’re going to drink is going to be enough

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to appeal to those other people now or not, but it sure can’t hurt to be a little more

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general purpose in terms of the brews. And they are all proper brews. Brew is beard. Brew is beard,

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Peter. Brew is beard. Coffee is beard. No, coffee is brewed and tea is brewed. So…

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Well, you see, I didn’t think we were doing this for the benefits of the listener. I thought it was

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just that you know you’re on the west coast i’m on the east coast and it’s not always um so we

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say compatible for us to be drinking beers at the same time when we record right with that that’s

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the that’s what i’m saying that’s why you and i are because that’s why we did it and that’s what

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we thought of but Clay Daly being a better person than us also pointed out that it might be a benefit

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to the listeners. Okay, I mean, if tens of people benefit from our decision to drink coffee as well

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as tea as well as beer, then fine, I’m down with that. I’ll drink to that. Wait, wasn’t that an

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Apple slogan? Drink different? Drink different. Yeah, drink different. So yeah, anyway, so now

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we have the new site, but if you subscribed manually with the RSS feed or through Overcast,

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you’re probably not hearing me right now, but if you subscribe to an Apple podcast,

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you probably are hearing me right now. Anyway, friendswithbrews.com and there’s links on there

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how to subscribe. And then we also have search now, so you can basically search for any type of

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brew, anything in the episode show notes, and you can also filter by drink types, or you can filter

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for only see episode results, or only see brew results, which would include beer, coffee, tea.

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It’s pretty nice that way. And then yeah, it’s just a better podcast, I think.

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It’ll make a better show, because we can have the different kinds of drinks.

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We enjoy these different kinds of drinks, and we like to drink them while we talk to each other.

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Variety.

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Variety Jones. Wasn’t he arrested with the Dark Web guy? Anyway.

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I have…

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Do you remember that? Do you know what I’m talking about?

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I know what you’re talking about. You’re talking about the fact that the world’s

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richest man is a **. Oh no I meant do you know what I’m talking about with Variety Jones? Did you

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read the story of of the Silk Road? You mean reality winner? No, Variety Jones. Variety Jones

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is the guy who helped coach that kid who set up. Yes, I did not read the whole story of the

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Silk Road but I have heard about it many times over the years in various podcast interviews and

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and wired articles and stuff. Right, yeah. Okay, anyway, so uh, Slow Week in social media,

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is that what we’re saying? Is that what we’re going with? Yeah, nothing ever happened. Like

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Twitter is just, there’s nothing going on there. It’s not exciting. It’s not, uh, there’s no news

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about it. No, not at all. Yeah, well, so yeah. Wait, no, sorry, that was last year. This year

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it’s more exciting because Elon Musk has just bought Twitter. He just like walked in and bought

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it, fired 75% of the place and now he’s made it a better place, right? Twitter’s good again.

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Everything’s good. It’s all fixed. Right. So Elon Musk is an interesting person. I have the feeling

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that he, well, I don’t know. At a very minimum, I believe that he’s one of those people that thinks

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that people should be allowed to say whatever they want and then he can solve it through technology

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in terms of giving people the ability to filter out the stuff that they don’t like.

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And that’s at the very minimum.

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If you want to be more cynical, you could say that Elon Musk is just an a$$—le, and

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he agrees with some of the terrible things that people say.

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The point is, I don’t know what’s going to happen with Twitter.

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I’ve been reading a lot of weird articles, I don’t really know what’s going on.

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Supposedly a lot of people got laid off.

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he wanted to look at the code himself. But then the guy who’s in charge of some of the

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content moderation or whatever on Twitter has claimed that there are no changes, that

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they’re still taking, you know, abuse and all that very seriously, that the influx of

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people saying bad things immediately afterwards to test it under Elon Musk, you know, thinking

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that, oh, good, he’s going to open this up to us now. We can be bad again. He claims

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that that’s not going to be tolerated. So I don’t really know what’s going on at Twitter.

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All I know is Elon Musk is at best a bit of a troll.

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Yes. He says things that are either bad or they

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are trollish remarks that he doesn’t mean. And it’s really hard to know how that’s going

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to affect Twitter because it’s hard to know what he actually wants to do.

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Is that a fair?

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Yeah, I just, he’s so consistently, you’re gonna have to bleep everything I want to say.

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He’s just a spoiled little child.

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Yeah, he is.

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And it is, I can’t believe I’m saying this now.

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I never would have said this like 20, even 10 or 20 years ago.

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It’s just, it is not fair, but then again, life is not fair.

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So okay, that’s fine.

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I get it.

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But my God, especially when you read the Atlantic article that you sent me about his texts and

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stuff about how Ellison and Calacanis and the PayPal mafia are all just sitting there

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sucking up to him all the time.

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Well I didn’t know, but Calacanis works for Twitter apparently.

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Does he?

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Was he sucking up just because he wanted to keep his job?

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I mean, oh brother.

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It was just amazing though.

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It’s just amazing.

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I mean, I’m looking at Twitter now for the first time

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in I don’t know how many months.

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And I’m like, yeah, I’m not missing anything.

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I’m really not.

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So I’m curious, are you going to change your behavior at all

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with respect to Twitter as a result of Musk buying it?

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No, because I already…

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First of all, I’m not a…

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I guess maybe he doesn’t work for Twitter.

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He’s just raising funds for Twitter.

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Hmm. Interesting.

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Raising funds for it? What do you mean?

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He’s raising funds for Twitter.

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It says, “Elon’s close friend and Jason Calacanis

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raising funds for Twitter…”

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I don’t know. “Takeover.”

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Well, you know I’m -Oh, Calacanis not working for Twitter.

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Got it, got it. Right.

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I was going to say, Musk owns it.

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He doesn’t have to work for it.

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No, I’m not gonna change anything

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because I already am not a completionist.

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I already try to be careful about the people I follow,

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which doesn’t mean that I only follow people

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who are like Apple nerds or whatever.

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I don’t live in a bubble on there.

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I follow a lot of interesting people of diverse viewpoints,

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but I’m not a completionist.

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I probably don’t see most of the things

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all the people I follow say.

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And so I’m not gonna change anything.

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In fact, I will go so far as to say that alternatives like the Fediverse, which includes Mastodon,

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bored the hell out of me until recently when, for example, there has been a big influx of

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infosec people pouring into Mastodon specifically, but the Fediverse, but a lot of them on Mastodon.social,

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for some reason that’s the one everybody’s going to.

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It’s really weird.

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I saw someone today say, “There’s nothing confusing about Mastodon.

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You log in, you look at the…” and it’s like, “No, you don’t understand.

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instances there’s some instances can see other instances some can it is confusing

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I’m sorry mister but and the guys are programmer so it’s like programmers

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aren’t the best judges of what is or is not confusing for the average person

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absolutely not I mean there’s your own bias like you write things the way you

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know you see things through a programmer’s lens right you see them

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through a tech lens but you’re also super good with computers like you can

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onboard the piece of information that Mastodon doesn’t work the same as

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Twitter and there’s all these instances and something they can kind of talk to

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each other you can you can understand that in one sentence whereas somebody

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who’s less tech savvy is gonna need a whole conversation about that yep no

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absolutely absolutely like try to explain Mastodon to your dad good luck

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with that I don’t even try to explain email to my dad your dad still goes to

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holy computer and bows at the temple of the email.

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My dad still has to go and get his email over in the den where it is.

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I’m like, “Dad, dad, you see this nice fancy computer I bought you that you have in your

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pocket here?”

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No, Peter, the email is in the den.

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I know.

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And I open it up and I open up his email and I show him.

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I’m like, “Look, the same message right here that you just saw over there.

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It’s right here on the phone.”

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And he’s like, “Oh yeah.”

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And then he walks and goes and gets the email

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at his computer.

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(laughing)

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Anyway, I don’t think I’m gonna change that much,

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but I definitely will be monitoring it

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to see if Twitter changes.

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And I also will monitor it to see if it changes

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for other people.

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People that are more likely to immediately suffer

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the consequences of other people’s increasing free speech

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if you catch my drift.

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’Cause I don’t, I’m probably less likely to notice

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an uptick in sexist or racist comments

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as fast as people who would directly be impacted

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or targeted by those statements.

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So, but if people that I trust and like

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are seeing those things, yeah,

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I’ll take that into consideration

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as to what I wanna do with Twitter.

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And I do have Mastodon accounts

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and I do have a Fediverse account.

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And like I said, it hasn’t been interesting

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until now all of a sudden I’ve seen a big influx

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of InfoSec people and it makes me wonder

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what other kinds of people are gonna start going in.

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So I was always of the opinion

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that the Fediverse/Mastodon would never take off,

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but I could be wrong.

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There could be an inflection thing going on here,

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or it might just be where it gets a little bit bigger,

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but still doesn’t take off with the average person.

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Like, I don’t think I’m gonna see any Formula One drivers

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on Mastodon anytime soon.

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I don’t think I’m gonna see Taylor Swift,

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the actual real Taylor Swift on Mastodon, et cetera, et cetera.

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So yeah, it’ll be interesting, but the answer is no in the short term.

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I don’t think so.

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I’ve called Elon Musk on Twitter a couple of times since the takeover.

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What about you, Peter?

00:24:49.040 —> 00:24:51.360
What’s your thought process on this?

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I have not publicly said anything to Elon Musk recently.

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I mean, I’ve sent him plenty of tweets about my Tesla.

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I didn’t say it to him.

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I just said it about him.

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Yeah.

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But I am inclined to just go dark.

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I will probably keep the account.

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And I mean, honestly, I do not remember the last time I logged in and posted something

00:25:13.840 —> 00:25:14.840
to Twitter.

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I think I probably posted like my…

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No, you always cross post.

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Well, not even that anymore.

00:25:20.960 —> 00:25:23.320
Now it’s just, it pulls from a recipe.

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Like it subscribes to a blog or to a LinkedIn post or something like that or podcast or

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something.

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I’m inclined to just let that die and just kill it and leave the account there, not cancel

00:25:36.240 —> 00:25:39.440
but just leave it active and maybe leave like one month.

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’Cause I’ve even been using tweet delete to delete

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like everything after like two weeks

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or something like that.

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And I’m inclined to just leave it with like a single post

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to say, here’s my blog and go from there.

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So, I don’t like the guy

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and I don’t hold him in this reverence.

00:25:59.120 —> 00:26:03.360
I thought I used to think he was cool and he’s not,

00:26:03.360 —> 00:26:04.220
he’s not cool.

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No, but he is a religion.

00:26:05.600 —> 00:26:08.120
Yeah, well, there’s that or a cult, if you will.

00:26:08.120 —> 00:26:11.040
It seems like it’s getting worse where people,

00:26:11.040 —> 00:26:13.000
in order for people to be enthused about something,

00:26:13.000 —> 00:26:16.080
they have to either be so gung ho about it to,

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and I’m talking about people.

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It’s one thing to be enthusiastic.

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Like let’s say you love specific video games.

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Good, yay, good for you.

00:26:22.800 —> 00:26:26.160
But to hold other people up to these cult of personalities,

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I think the trend towards people having,

00:26:29.600 —> 00:26:33.440
holding other people up as these, you know,

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One dimensional heroes, like not so black and white.

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Yep.

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That seems to be increasing to me.

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Yeah. Oh, I’m so polarization.

00:26:41.000 —> 00:26:41.840
Of course.

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It’s either you’re either this or you’re that.

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There’s no complexity.

00:26:45.440 —> 00:26:46.260
There’s no nuance.

00:26:46.260 —> 00:26:47.720
There’s no acceptance of the fact that,

00:26:47.720 —> 00:26:49.820
okay, I like some of the things this person does,

00:26:49.820 —> 00:26:51.200
but they are a complicated person.

00:26:51.200 —> 00:26:54.080
Oh my God, they also did this horrible bad thing.

00:26:54.080 —> 00:26:55.360
Yep, exactly.

00:26:55.360 —> 00:26:56.560
Yeah, there’s no in-between.

00:26:56.560 —> 00:26:57.920
They’re either great or bad.

00:26:57.920 —> 00:26:58.880
Elon is wonderful.

00:26:58.880 —> 00:27:01.680
We’ll just completely overlook all of his bad qualities

00:27:01.680 —> 00:27:02.660
and yada yada.

00:27:02.660 —> 00:27:04.220
So yeah, no.

00:27:04.220 —> 00:27:06.780
Anyway, it’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out.

00:27:06.780 —> 00:27:08.500
What I am hoping happens.

00:27:08.500 —> 00:27:09.700
First of all, I agree with you.

00:27:09.700 —> 00:27:11.960
I’m not gonna get rid of my Twitter account either way

00:27:11.960 —> 00:27:14.520
unless things really go south.

00:27:14.520 —> 00:27:16.600
Unlike Facebook, which I happily gave up my account

00:27:16.600 —> 00:27:19.120
because Facebook is just a different beast.

00:27:19.120 —> 00:27:22.620
Facebook could only be used for, in my opinion,

00:27:22.620 —> 00:27:25.000
Facebook was always about people arguing with each other.

00:27:25.000 —> 00:27:26.940
Whereas Twitter, I can manage it in such a way

00:27:26.940 —> 00:27:29.120
that I get interesting stuff from interesting people

00:27:29.120 —> 00:27:32.140
without all the harassment or the weirdness.

00:27:32.140 —> 00:27:36.460
I thought Facebook was about Zuckerberg trying to get laid.

00:27:36.460 —> 00:27:39.940
It is, but for people using Facebook,

00:27:39.940 —> 00:27:41.900
it’s just arguments all the time.

00:27:41.900 —> 00:27:44.060
Oh, got it.

00:27:44.060 —> 00:27:46.340
I like the asymmetric nature of Twitter,

00:27:46.340 —> 00:27:47.980
’cause you can follow people who don’t know you,

00:27:47.980 —> 00:27:49.540
don’t care about you,

00:27:49.540 —> 00:27:51.620
and you can just get interesting information from them.

00:27:51.620 —> 00:27:53.700
Whereas with Facebook, you have to be friends with people,

00:27:53.700 —> 00:27:56.780
and it’s undoubtedly gonna be people that are related to you

00:27:56.780 —> 00:27:58.760
or friends of theirs or something.

00:27:58.760 —> 00:28:01.080
And who wants those people’s viewpoints?

00:28:01.080 —> 00:28:01.920
Let’s be honest.

00:28:01.920 —> 00:28:03.400
as opposed to friends with beer.

00:28:03.400 —> 00:28:04.560
Right.

00:28:04.560 —> 00:28:07.880
So, I don’t know.

00:28:07.880 —> 00:28:09.240
Anyway, the whole point is, yeah,

00:28:09.240 —> 00:28:11.200
I’ll keep my Twitter account.

00:28:11.200 —> 00:28:12.280
I won’t get rid of it.

00:28:12.280 —> 00:28:13.660
If things go really south

00:28:13.660 —> 00:28:17.120
or they just actively do things that are horrific,

00:28:17.120 —> 00:28:21.360
then I will certainly keep closing my Twitter account

00:28:21.360 —> 00:28:22.700
as an option.

00:28:22.700 —> 00:28:25.660
But for now, I’m just gonna continue as is.

00:28:25.660 —> 00:28:29.240
I’m also gonna check in on my Mastodon accounts regularly

00:28:29.240 —> 00:28:31.720
and see what goes on there.

00:28:31.720 —> 00:28:35.200
I want to follow a diverse group of people on the Fediverse.

00:28:35.200 —> 00:28:39.240
I don’t want to just follow nerds talking about the same things and going, “Hey, I like

00:28:39.240 —> 00:28:40.240
this app.

00:28:40.240 —> 00:28:41.240
Yeah, I like this app.

00:28:41.240 —> 00:28:42.240
Me too.

00:28:42.240 —> 00:28:43.240
Hey, I use this case.

00:28:43.240 —> 00:28:44.240
I use that case.

00:28:44.240 —> 00:28:45.240
Who cares?”

00:28:45.240 —> 00:28:46.240
That just bores the absolute shit out of me.

00:28:46.240 —> 00:28:47.240
I don’t care.

00:28:47.240 —> 00:28:48.440
It just does.

00:28:48.440 —> 00:28:49.800
That’s not why I use social media.

00:28:49.800 —> 00:28:53.040
I use social media to find interesting people who are actually talking about interesting

00:28:53.040 —> 00:28:54.040
things.

00:28:54.040 —> 00:28:55.040
Mm-hmm.

00:28:55.040 —> 00:28:56.040
Sorry, Apple nerds.

00:28:56.040 —> 00:28:59.320
I love Apple stuff and there’s an appropriate place and time for talking about it, but I

00:28:59.320 —> 00:29:02.860
I don’t want to be on social media just to hear those people talking about what they

00:29:02.860 —> 00:29:07.760
use for a task list, you know, or a reminder app or whatever.

00:29:07.760 —> 00:29:08.760
Yeah.

00:29:08.760 —> 00:29:16.640
I mean, sometimes I’ve heard some cool things online, but not a lot.

00:29:16.640 —> 00:29:17.640
Not always.

00:29:17.640 —> 00:29:18.640
Right.

00:29:18.640 —> 00:29:19.640
But I mean, I want a variety.

00:29:19.640 —> 00:29:22.960
Like I want those people, but I want way more than just those people.

00:29:22.960 —> 00:29:23.960
Yeah.

00:29:23.960 —> 00:29:24.960
No, I’m with you.

00:29:24.960 —> 00:29:28.160
Whereas a lot of people, a lot of people like that about Mastodon.

00:29:28.160 —> 00:29:32.600
They like that they can have their little bubble and just talk to those other exactly

00:29:32.600 —> 00:29:37.120
the same type of people with those same type of interests and not talk about anything beyond

00:29:37.120 —> 00:29:38.320
a certain shared interest.

00:29:38.320 —> 00:29:39.500
And I get it.

00:29:39.500 —> 00:29:41.740
That is more mentally…

00:29:41.740 —> 00:29:46.520
That is a better way of avoiding some of the anguish that seeing the news can bring.

00:29:46.520 —> 00:29:48.360
I totally understand that.

00:29:48.360 —> 00:29:50.440
But at the same time, it’s also just boring as hell.

00:29:50.440 —> 00:29:52.360
Like I can only handle so much of that.

00:29:52.360 —> 00:29:53.920
Yeah, I’m a fellow.

00:29:53.920 —> 00:29:55.300
I’m with you.

00:29:55.300 —> 00:29:56.300
Totally with you.

00:29:56.300 —> 00:29:59.420
I’m sure that people can handle a whole lot of those podcasts because it’s fascinating.

00:29:59.420 —> 00:30:05.900
Well, I mean, you and I can, right? I guess my question to you is, do you think

00:30:05.900 —> 00:30:11.500
that Elon Musk actually wanted to buy Twitter? Yeah.

00:30:11.500 —> 00:30:16.700
Okay, but he tried to backpedal. He tried to get out of his obligation. What do you think that was?

00:30:16.700 —> 00:30:19.580
I think it was all part of his strategy. Okay.

00:30:19.580 —> 00:30:25.100
I think that there are likely plenty of people. So, I forget the exact numbers and the percentages

00:30:25.100 —> 00:30:36.540
and stuff, but when he made the offer, the stock went way up or down, I assure you.

00:30:36.540 —> 00:30:40.140
Doesn’t he have a habit of manipulating stock prices in general?

00:30:40.140 —> 00:30:42.660
Yes, exactly.

00:30:42.660 —> 00:30:44.020
This is all part of a plan.

00:30:44.020 —> 00:30:45.020
He’s like, “Oh, you know what I’m going to do?

00:30:45.020 —> 00:30:49.900
I’m going to make the stock go up and I’m going to take options and puts and calls and

00:30:49.900 —> 00:30:53.740
whatever the hell they call it where you bet that it’s going to tank.”

00:30:53.740 —> 00:30:58.040
And I’m sure he made money on that and then bought it for this and that.

00:30:58.040 —> 00:31:04.160
I guarantee that if anyone was to actually care enough to investigate that they would

00:31:04.160 —> 00:31:05.840
show that, “Oh yeah, look at that.

00:31:05.840 —> 00:31:11.680
He completely utterly manipulated the stock price and in some way or another he’s making

00:31:11.680 —> 00:31:12.680
bank on it.”

00:31:12.680 —> 00:31:14.400
Yeah, that could be.

00:31:14.400 —> 00:31:17.920
Well, now that we’ve talked about the number jam known as Twitter, did you just hang up

00:31:17.920 —> 00:31:18.920
on me?

00:31:18.920 —> 00:31:19.920
Hello?

00:31:19.920 —> 00:31:22.160
Well, that was weird.

00:31:22.160 —> 00:31:24.520
My Mac just went into power saver mode.

00:31:24.520 —> 00:31:26.320
I’m still recording, I think.

00:31:26.320 —> 00:31:28.040
And we’re reconnecting.

00:31:28.040 —> 00:31:29.360
Now I didn’t stop recording.

00:31:29.360 —> 00:31:30.920
I did not stop recording that whole time.

00:31:30.920 —> 00:31:31.760
No, that’s perfect.

00:31:31.760 —> 00:31:32.800
Great, so we’re great.

00:31:32.800 —> 00:31:36.100
So my Mac just went to power saving mode

00:31:36.100 —> 00:31:38.400
for no apparent reason.

00:31:38.400 —> 00:31:42.040
It is still plugged in, has been the whole time.

00:31:42.040 —> 00:31:43.720
There’s only one thing to say about that.

00:31:43.720 —> 00:31:46.640
Why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam?

00:31:46.640 —> 00:31:49.400
(laughing)

00:31:49.400 —> 00:31:51.320
Why did it go to power saving mode

00:31:51.320 —> 00:31:53.800
when there is no need for power saving mode.

00:31:53.800 —> 00:31:58.200
That’s like, you know, El Joapo, you know,

00:31:58.200 —> 00:31:59.760
would you say I have a plethora?

00:31:59.760 —> 00:32:00.600
Yeah.

00:32:00.600 —> 00:32:03.520
Yes, Miguel, I have a plethora.

00:32:03.520 —> 00:32:06.520
I think somebody is having a case of the Mondays.

00:32:06.520 —> 00:32:09.460
Oh my goodness, except it’s freaking Wednesday,

00:32:09.460 —> 00:32:11.400
but yeah, oh man.

00:32:11.400 —> 00:32:13.000
All right, well, let’s cheer ourselves up

00:32:13.000 —> 00:32:16.080
and let’s cheer up your MacBook Air by talking about,

00:32:16.080 —> 00:32:17.440
this is something I didn’t know about.

00:32:17.440 —> 00:32:21.960
You brought up this topic, this Halloween-related topic.

00:32:21.960 —> 00:32:23.320
Very timely.

00:32:23.320 —> 00:32:24.320
Talk to me about this.

00:32:24.320 —> 00:32:26.360
Explain why this is relevant.

00:32:26.360 —> 00:32:29.440
Okay, now I don’t know much about it.

00:32:29.440 —> 00:32:34.680
I just heard about this concept on the Make Me Smart podcast, which is like a companion

00:32:34.680 —> 00:32:35.680
to-

00:32:35.680 —> 00:32:36.680
Make Me Stupid?

00:32:36.680 —> 00:32:37.680
…Marketplace.

00:32:37.680 —> 00:32:38.680
Oh, okay.

00:32:38.680 —> 00:32:40.760
Make Me Stupid, yes, exactly.

00:32:40.760 —> 00:32:44.160
It’s called Japan’s mundane Halloween.

00:32:44.160 —> 00:32:54.420
And apparently this is a trend in Japan where people dress up as mundane Halloween costumes.

00:32:54.420 —> 00:33:03.980
So they’re not like kaiju or oni demons or power rangers or anything.

00:33:03.980 —> 00:33:06.020
And it’s pretty funny.

00:33:06.020 —> 00:33:11.820
So I was wondering if this was a thing back when you lived there or not.

00:33:11.820 —> 00:33:17.380
But someone put in like two people, for instance, two women, they dressed, they’re like dressed

00:33:17.380 —> 00:33:19.020
identically.

00:33:19.020 —> 00:33:23.480
And so their costume is called two people who wore the exact same outfit and now it’s

00:33:23.480 —> 00:33:25.260
super awkward.

00:33:25.260 —> 00:33:31.420
There’s another one is, you know, person who wants to use every bit of toothpaste in the

00:33:31.420 —> 00:33:32.420
tube.

00:33:32.420 —> 00:33:34.180
And he’s just like squeezing a near empty toothpaste.

00:33:34.180 —> 00:33:36.260
He’s just wearing normal street clothes.

00:33:36.260 —> 00:33:37.260
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:37.260 —> 00:33:39.180
Holding a thing of toothpaste.

00:33:39.180 —> 00:33:40.720
This is awesome.

00:33:40.720 —> 00:33:44.560
There’s a guy carrying a bag full of trash and it’s a foreign tourist who can’t find

00:33:44.560 —> 00:33:47.660
any public garbage cans in Japan.

00:33:47.660 —> 00:33:48.660
That’s perfect.

00:33:48.660 —> 00:33:50.640
I was going to say that guy’s a gaijin, so that’s perfect.

00:33:50.640 —> 00:33:51.640
Yeah, there you go.

00:33:51.640 —> 00:33:52.640
Like, “What?

00:33:52.640 —> 00:33:53.760
Where do I throw my trash?”

00:33:53.760 —> 00:33:59.000
So I heard about these and I think it’s just kind of funny.

00:33:59.000 —> 00:34:03.120
Person whose skeleton is being estimated by machine learning.

00:34:03.120 —> 00:34:08.560
This is someone who has just tape measures showing where the major bones would be in

00:34:08.560 —> 00:34:09.560
the system.

00:34:09.560 —> 00:34:11.360
That’s just Santa funny.

00:34:11.360 —> 00:34:12.200
That’s awesome.

00:34:12.200 —> 00:34:13.040
So yeah, mundane Halloween.

00:34:13.040 —> 00:34:15.880
Oh, person who accidentally shook their carbonated beverage

00:34:15.880 —> 00:34:17.160
before opening it.

00:34:17.160 —> 00:34:21.000
And this guy has just like a bunch of foam plastered

00:34:21.000 —> 00:34:23.440
to his face with a Coca-Cola bottle coming out

00:34:23.440 —> 00:34:24.480
of a Coke bottle.

00:34:24.480 —> 00:34:27.840
So I thought these were pretty cute.

00:34:27.840 —> 00:34:29.260
So mundane Halloween costumes.

00:34:29.260 —> 00:34:30.580
I mean, I used to do stuff like that

00:34:30.580 —> 00:34:32.920
when I wouldn’t dress up for Halloween.

00:34:32.920 —> 00:34:34.720
I would say like, oh, I’m an average Joe

00:34:34.720 —> 00:34:35.600
walking down the street.

00:34:35.600 —> 00:34:36.740
That’s me today.

00:34:36.740 —> 00:34:38.160
Oh my God, this one’s brilliant.

00:34:38.160 —> 00:34:39.520
So there’s this shoyu,

00:34:39.520 —> 00:34:41.360
and they had this same type of shoyu,

00:34:41.360 —> 00:34:46.080
this Kikkoman shoyu that we used to use when we were there.

00:34:46.080 —> 00:34:47.500
They had the same thing.

00:34:47.500 —> 00:34:50.820
And it’s brilliant because this guy took a puffy down jacket

00:34:50.820 —> 00:34:52.960
that has, of course, the sections.

00:34:52.960 —> 00:34:57.480
The bottle has, you know, horizontal sections as well.

00:34:57.480 —> 00:34:59.920
And it looks like, because of the color of the shoyu,

00:34:59.920 —> 00:35:01.480
it looks like this puffy jacket.

00:35:01.480 —> 00:35:04.040
So basically this person wrapped a puffy jacket

00:35:04.040 —> 00:35:06.480
around themselves, put a red bottle cap on their head,

00:35:06.480 —> 00:35:08.600
a big giant thing that looks like a red bottle cap

00:35:08.600 —> 00:35:12.120
and then put a big Kikkoman Shouyu label on himself

00:35:12.120 —> 00:35:14.520
or herself, I don’t know which.

00:35:14.520 —> 00:35:16.800
This person is now a bottle of soy sauce.

00:35:16.800 —> 00:35:19.320
That’s right, that is awesome.

00:35:19.320 —> 00:35:20.480
Terribly mundane.

00:35:20.480 —> 00:35:22.880
Yeah, that’s good, I like that.

00:35:22.880 —> 00:35:24.680
This is a cool trend.

00:35:24.680 —> 00:35:26.400
I thought you would, I thought you would.

00:35:26.400 —> 00:35:27.620
Yeah, and now I see the guy

00:35:27.620 —> 00:35:29.520
with the Coke all over his face, that’s awesome.

00:35:29.520 —> 00:35:30.360
Yes.

00:35:30.360 —> 00:35:32.220
That guy has to walk around holding that bottle

00:35:32.220 —> 00:35:34.400
in the exact same location though.

00:35:34.400 —> 00:35:36.800
Oh, that’s, I mean, he’s a method actor, man.

00:35:36.800 —> 00:35:42.200
And here’s a guy that just looks like a registered clerk.

00:35:42.200 —> 00:35:44.080
It’s awesome.

00:35:44.080 —> 00:35:45.120
Yeah, no, they didn’t,

00:35:45.120 —> 00:35:49.440
I don’t remember anyone ever talking about Halloween at all

00:35:49.440 —> 00:35:50.280
when we lived there,

00:35:50.280 —> 00:35:53.280
but you gotta remember that was like 40,000 years ago.

00:35:53.280 —> 00:35:54.700
Of give or take, you know,

00:35:54.700 —> 00:35:55.920
4M or 40K. Yeah, give or take.

00:35:55.920 —> 00:35:57.440
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:57.440 —> 00:35:58.960
So. What else do we have?

00:35:58.960 —> 00:36:03.620
I wanted to ask you how, in general terms, not specifics,

00:36:03.620 —> 00:36:07.060
but it sounds like you’re getting a lot more busy with work.

00:36:07.060 —> 00:36:10.260
I definitely was the last couple of weeks.

00:36:10.260 —> 00:36:12.300
Yes, that has tapered off again a little bit.

00:36:12.300 —> 00:36:14.460
It’s quieted down, but the month of October

00:36:14.460 —> 00:36:19.460
was a record setter for consulting work

00:36:19.460 —> 00:36:22.500
in the last, say, five, six years.

00:36:22.500 —> 00:36:24.060
Okay, explain it to me like I’m stupid,

00:36:24.060 —> 00:36:26.140
which you won’t be pretending very much.

00:36:26.140 —> 00:36:29.400
Right, so I work.

00:36:29.400 —> 00:36:31.300
No, there’s something you’re being loaned out for.

00:36:31.300 —> 00:36:32.980
There’s something that I didn’t understand.

00:36:32.980 —> 00:36:35.940
Like, it wasn’t related to your hospital job, but…

00:36:35.940 —> 00:36:37.940
Yeah, no, I’m subcontractor.

00:36:37.940 —> 00:36:41.620
Right, but I didn’t understand… was that…

00:36:41.620 —> 00:36:44.180
Did you not understand the concept of a subcontractor?

00:36:44.180 —> 00:36:47.220
I do, but I didn’t know what context it was in.

00:36:47.220 —> 00:36:50.980
Is this paradigm context or what context is this?

00:36:50.980 —> 00:36:52.180
I have to even double check.

00:36:52.180 —> 00:36:53.740
Well, here’s the thing.

00:36:53.740 —> 00:36:59.320
Functionally, there isn’t really a difference because I own 100% of paradigm.

00:36:59.320 —> 00:37:05.060
So it can be any, it doesn’t really matter if it’s a paradigm engagement or a Peter engagement

00:37:05.060 —> 00:37:07.580
as far as like, it all flows down to me eventually.

00:37:07.580 —> 00:37:08.580
Right.

00:37:08.580 —> 00:37:12.380
But what I mean is this had nothing ever to do with the hospital whatsoever.

00:37:12.380 —> 00:37:13.380
Correct.

00:37:13.380 —> 00:37:14.380
It was a-

00:37:14.380 —> 00:37:15.380
This had nothing to do with my hospital.

00:37:15.380 —> 00:37:19.740
This was a Peter Nikolaidis helps this one company and now this one company that Peter

00:37:19.740 —> 00:37:22.280
helps wanted to subcontract him out to someone else.

00:37:22.280 —> 00:37:24.100
It’s actually the opposite.

00:37:24.100 —> 00:37:30.240
So this company that I’ve been working with has been subcontracting me out as a virtual

00:37:30.240 —> 00:37:38.160
CISO and now they have looped me in to start doing work for them internally as well.

00:37:38.160 —> 00:37:39.160
Oh.

00:37:39.160 —> 00:37:40.160
Right.

00:37:40.160 —> 00:37:45.100
So this is a like a billion dollar a year managed services provider.

00:37:45.100 —> 00:37:49.280
See that’s the part I didn’t understand because the fact that you’re like an independent contractor

00:37:49.280 —> 00:37:52.780
but they’re contracting out to other people that sounds like a bizarre arrangement to

00:37:52.780 —> 00:37:54.460
and I didn’t know how that came to be.

00:37:54.460 —> 00:37:56.500
That’s called a subcontractor arrangement.

00:37:56.500 —> 00:37:58.420
It’s very, very common.

00:37:58.420 —> 00:37:59.320
Very, very common.

00:37:59.320 —> 00:38:01.440
So do you have any say whatsoever

00:38:01.440 —> 00:38:03.200
in who they contract you out to?

00:38:03.200 —> 00:38:04.300
Or you just say-

00:38:04.300 —> 00:38:05.140
Oh, absolutely.

00:38:05.140 —> 00:38:06.260
I can say no.

00:38:06.260 —> 00:38:07.100
Sure.

00:38:07.100 —> 00:38:07.940
Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:07.940 —> 00:38:08.760
Okay.

00:38:08.760 —> 00:38:09.600
Yeah.

00:38:09.600 —> 00:38:11.780
No, they, so a friend of mine has been acting

00:38:11.780 —> 00:38:14.380
as their CISO for some time.

00:38:14.380 —> 00:38:17.440
And so he brought me in as his backup

00:38:17.440 —> 00:38:18.740
and I was like, great, no problem.

00:38:18.740 —> 00:38:19.580
I can do that.

00:38:19.580 —> 00:38:20.400
You can back up?

00:38:20.400 —> 00:38:21.240
Yeah.

00:38:21.240 —> 00:38:22.360
So for a specific engagement.

00:38:22.360 —> 00:38:23.780
And then after some time, he’s like,

00:38:23.780 —> 00:38:25.680
do you want to take over vulnerability management

00:38:25.680 —> 00:38:27.180
for the parent company?

00:38:27.180 —> 00:38:28.500
And I was like, sure.

00:38:28.500 —> 00:38:30.760
So, you know, so that’s what I’m doing now too.

00:38:30.760 —> 00:38:32.180
So yeah.

00:38:32.180 —> 00:38:34.180
Yeah, so it’s fun, fun times, fun stuff.

00:38:34.180 —> 00:38:35.300
Okay, now I’m with you.

00:38:35.300 —> 00:38:37.420
Doing a lot of the same stuff that I do all the time,

00:38:37.420 —> 00:38:38.840
but now just for, you know,

00:38:38.840 —> 00:38:40.460
different company and more of it.

00:38:40.460 —> 00:38:43.260
Plus another one of my engagements

00:38:43.260 —> 00:38:48.260
is in the middle of SOC 2 audit compliance season.

00:38:48.260 —> 00:38:49.220
So they’re going through

00:38:49.220 —> 00:38:51.680
their service organizational compliance,

00:38:51.680 —> 00:38:55.620
audit, which they do every year to maintain this

00:38:55.620 —> 00:38:57.360
so that when people say, “We wanna use you,

00:38:57.360 —> 00:38:58.880
”but show us your SOC 2 report,”

00:38:58.880 —> 00:39:00.280
and they can say, “Here we are.”

00:39:00.280 —> 00:39:02.920
So I’m helping them with all of their stuff as well.

00:39:02.920 —> 00:39:07.420
And those two things just happen, boom, at the same time.

00:39:07.420 —> 00:39:11.560
So plus, in addition to all the other stuff

00:39:11.560 —> 00:39:15.760
that I’ve been doing, all the other work that I do every day

00:39:15.760 —> 00:39:19.200
for the hospital, other paradigm engagements,

00:39:19.200 —> 00:39:21.520
teaching yoga, et cetera.

00:39:21.520 —> 00:39:23.840
The only good part was that it all happened

00:39:23.840 —> 00:39:25.560
after my ultra marathon,

00:39:25.560 —> 00:39:27.560
not at like the peak of training for that,

00:39:27.560 —> 00:39:29.340
running 40 hours a week.

00:39:29.340 —> 00:39:33.880
So what’s your arrangement with them in terms of

00:39:33.880 —> 00:39:39.300
you have a normal job that is your primary job.

00:39:39.300 —> 00:39:41.140
I say your primary job,

00:39:41.140 —> 00:39:43.840
you are employed by a specific person, not contracted,

00:39:43.840 —> 00:39:45.520
but you are employed by a specific company.

00:39:45.520 —> 00:39:50.520
So everything I do, I treat as an engagement

00:39:51.300 —> 00:39:56.300
with a specific amount of required or expected time.

00:39:56.300 —> 00:39:59.160
Of course, but I guarantee you

00:39:59.160 —> 00:40:01.540
that your employer doesn’t see it the same way.

00:40:01.540 —> 00:40:05.180
So what I’m asking is the companies that you contract out to

00:40:05.180 —> 00:40:07.300
either as Peter or Paradigm or Paradigm Peter

00:40:07.300 —> 00:40:10.120
or Peter Paradigm, whatever you wanna say,

00:40:10.120 —> 00:40:12.700
what’s their understanding of your availability

00:40:12.700 —> 00:40:14.660
and what’s their expectation?

00:40:14.660 —> 00:40:16.340
I’d like you to stop recording now.

00:40:16.340 —> 00:40:19.180
Okay, that’s what I thought, all right.

00:40:19.180 —> 00:40:24.860
So, it doesn’t matter what I do for any sort of engagements.

00:40:24.860 —> 00:40:32.580
Everything where it is required has been publicly disclosed and there are no contractual conflicts

00:40:32.580 —> 00:40:34.820
anywhere in what I do.

00:40:34.820 —> 00:40:40.720
That said, there’s just things I don’t like to talk about because when people don’t understand

00:40:40.720 —> 00:40:45.140
something, then they will automatically go to the worst possible explanation and they

00:40:45.140 —> 00:40:46.420
will panic for no reason.

00:40:46.420 —> 00:40:47.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:47.420 —> 00:40:48.420
Understood.

00:40:48.420 —> 00:40:53.580
I guess what I was asking you is what you just answered, which is what were your disclosures

00:40:53.580 —> 00:40:55.140
and that kind of thing.

00:40:55.140 —> 00:40:56.140
Yeah.

00:40:56.140 —> 00:40:57.320
No, everything’s been fully disclosed.

00:40:57.320 —> 00:41:03.380
So the thing is though, is like if I contract with someone and they want me for say 10 hours

00:41:03.380 —> 00:41:08.480
a week, they’re not going to get 10 hours a week from me unless I tell them they’re

00:41:08.480 —> 00:41:11.960
going to get 10 hours a week and I’m not going to tell them that they’re going to get 10

00:41:11.960 —> 00:41:15.260
hours a week unless I can give them 10 hours a week.

00:41:15.260 —> 00:41:16.900
So it doesn’t matter.

00:41:16.900 —> 00:41:21.820
Now I know some people are old school and they’re hung up on, “Well, are you a W-2 or

00:41:21.820 —> 00:41:22.820
a 1099?”

00:41:22.820 —> 00:41:26.140
”Well, we want this because we have more control over you.”

00:41:26.140 —> 00:41:27.820
Well, you really don’t.

00:41:27.820 —> 00:41:32.900
You know, like unless I’m, because none of my, and like I’ve had a number of W-2 jobs

00:41:32.900 —> 00:41:34.060
over the years.

00:41:34.060 —> 00:41:39.060
I’ve never had an employment contract where I like wasn’t allowed to leave.

00:41:39.060 —> 00:41:40.220
Right?

00:41:40.220 —> 00:41:46.980
So this myth that, you know, it’s like we are not serfs, you know, tied to the land.

00:41:46.980 —> 00:41:49.360
No, and you’re accepting these positions.

00:41:49.360 —> 00:41:52.360
Like you have the option of saying, “Hey, this isn’t going to work because your terms

00:41:52.360 —> 00:41:53.360
don’t match.”

00:41:53.360 —> 00:41:54.360
Bingo.

00:41:54.360 —> 00:41:55.360
Yeah.

00:41:55.360 —> 00:41:56.360
Exactly.

00:41:56.360 —> 00:41:57.360
Right, right.

00:41:57.360 —> 00:41:58.360
I understand that.

00:41:58.360 —> 00:41:59.360
Yep.

00:41:59.360 —> 00:42:02.360
I just wondered, like, sometimes you obviously can control what 10 hours you give them.

00:42:02.360 —> 00:42:06.140
There’s going to be other times where they have meetings at specific times and they want

00:42:06.140 —> 00:42:07.640
to control those 10 hours.

00:42:07.640 —> 00:42:08.640
Yep.

00:42:08.640 —> 00:42:09.640
Oh, yeah.

00:42:09.640 —> 00:42:14.640
If someone says, “We need you for a morning standup meeting every morning at 8 a.m.”

00:42:14.640 —> 00:42:16.480
I’ll be like, “Okay.”

00:42:16.480 —> 00:42:22.320
And if someone else comes and says that they want that, I’ll be like, “Well, I’m busy.”

00:42:22.320 —> 00:42:24.160
Or I’ll say, “Which time zone is this?”

00:42:24.160 —> 00:42:25.160
Yeah, exactly.

00:42:25.160 —> 00:42:26.160
Yeah.

00:42:26.160 —> 00:42:27.160
How can I trick you?

00:42:27.160 —> 00:42:28.160
Yep.

00:42:28.160 —> 00:42:29.160
Okay.

00:42:29.160 —> 00:42:30.160
That’s cool.

00:42:30.160 —> 00:42:31.160
Okay.

00:42:31.160 —> 00:42:32.160
Yeah.

00:42:32.160 —> 00:42:36.000
My confusion was that I didn’t know about some of these contract jobs that you were

00:42:36.000 —> 00:42:37.000
doing.

00:42:37.000 —> 00:42:43.580
When you were talking about being subcontracted out. I was like, oh your primary job is subcontracting out. That’s really strange

00:42:43.580 —> 00:42:49.620
Well, you see that’s the new bit that that part is new because I have not done I’ve done it in the past

00:42:49.620 —> 00:42:56.460
But I don’t often I often act as a contractor. I have not often acted as a

00:42:56.460 —> 00:43:02.380
Subcontract. Mm-hmm, right? I’ve done it, you know a handful of times so so that’s different

00:43:02.380 —> 00:43:08.460
you know, now that I can say it’s not it’s it’s not the norm, right? Yeah. So but that said,

00:43:08.460 —> 00:43:12.540
it doesn’t you know, it doesn’t matter. Like and I don’t tell anybody in any of these jobs like,

00:43:12.540 —> 00:43:16.540
oh, I’m not really a contractor here, you know, or follow, you know, it doesn’t, it doesn’t matter.

00:43:16.540 —> 00:43:21.500
I’m providing service. And in one of the engagements I’m working on, there’s, there’s a

00:43:21.500 —> 00:43:27.100
lot of there’s some consternation, let’s just put it that way. But the account rep, every time we

00:43:27.100 —> 00:43:32.620
meet with him, tells us he goes out of his way to say that the VC-SO work that I’m doing and my

00:43:32.620 —> 00:43:37.820
counterpart is great, don’t stop. Everything else they’re like, “Well, we have concerns about this,

00:43:37.820 —> 00:43:42.700
this,” but you guys, VC-SOs just keep doing it. That’s great. I’m like, “Okay, great.”

00:43:42.700 —> 00:43:45.020
Yeah. I like to hear that.

00:43:45.020 —> 00:43:53.020
Yeah, me too. What else? What other questions do you have for me about my work life?

00:43:53.020 —> 00:43:58.380
I don’t, I don’t. I just wanted to, I just didn’t understand that. And for some reason,

00:43:58.380 —> 00:44:01.100
things got lost in translation when we were texting each other about it.

00:44:01.100 —> 00:44:04.220
That happens with pithy little text messages.

00:44:04.220 —> 00:44:05.740
It always happens with pithy little text messages.

00:44:05.740 —> 00:44:07.180
It always happens.

00:44:07.180 —> 00:44:07.660
Yeah.

00:44:07.660 —> 00:44:09.340
It’s guaranteed to happen.

00:44:09.340 —> 00:44:12.700
Yeah. People can send you one word and it can mean something totally different.

00:44:12.700 —> 00:44:13.020
What?

00:44:13.020 —> 00:44:15.340
Damn you.

00:44:15.340 —> 00:44:22.540
So tell me, how’s your beer, has your beer had any effect on you?

00:44:22.540 —> 00:44:24.780
It was pretty low alcohol.

00:44:24.780 —> 00:44:26.600
No, it’s low alcohol.

00:44:26.600 —> 00:44:31.520
I’m feeling pretty good and yeah,

00:44:31.520 —> 00:44:34.640
I’m not feeling drunk or not even like tipsy or anything.

00:44:34.640 —> 00:44:35.880
So I think I’m okay.

00:44:35.880 —> 00:44:38.940
Okay, so last time, let’s see,

00:44:38.940 —> 00:44:40.280
I think there’s been a couple of times

00:44:40.280 —> 00:44:41.200
where we’ve mentioned the fact

00:44:41.200 —> 00:44:43.120
that you now have a MacBook Air

00:44:43.120 —> 00:44:45.840
as your primary personal computer.

00:44:45.840 —> 00:44:49.680
Explain to me what your work life is like.

00:44:49.680 —> 00:44:52.000
Like I imagine, I’m sure there’s times

00:44:52.000 —> 00:44:56.220
where you have to integrate with different Windows domains and Windows systems.

00:44:56.220 —> 00:45:00.140
What computer are you using when you’re doing work for your primary employer?

00:45:00.140 —> 00:45:03.040
What computer are you using when you’re doing your contract work?

00:45:03.040 —> 00:45:05.340
How is that working out for you?

00:45:05.340 —> 00:45:07.120
First of all, are you using your Mac for everything?

00:45:07.120 —> 00:45:08.780
And if so, how?

00:45:08.780 —> 00:45:12.440
Or are you using a Windows laptop for some things?

00:45:12.440 —> 00:45:13.440
Little bit of each.

00:45:13.440 —> 00:45:15.520
I do a little of everything.

00:45:15.520 —> 00:45:21.040
And I might do a lot of work through Citrix for a customer, in which case I do it all

00:45:21.040 —> 00:45:28.120
on my Mac. If I have to go on site and I have to use customer issued hardware, then I’ll

00:45:28.120 —> 00:45:33.840
use theirs. So yeah. Now I’ve got various things like work issued laptop here, customer

00:45:33.840 —> 00:45:39.140
issued phone there, my own equipment that I bring there, et cetera, et cetera.

00:45:39.140 —> 00:45:46.200
Can I ask you your personal opinion of Citrix? Because I’ve only used… Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:45:46.200 —> 00:45:48.600
That pretty much jives with most people.

00:45:48.600 —> 00:45:51.800
I’ve only used Citrix in a, when Citrix,

00:45:51.800 —> 00:45:53.400
I don’t remember what they have now,

00:45:53.400 —> 00:45:55.940
but they used to have like a personal option

00:45:55.940 —> 00:45:59.800
and like for VPN use and stuff like that, I think.

00:45:59.800 —> 00:46:01.000
Okay.

00:46:01.000 —> 00:46:01.920
If I’m not mistaken.

00:46:01.920 —> 00:46:03.960
There was a personal product that you could use

00:46:03.960 —> 00:46:05.960
where it wasn’t part of a corporation thing, but.

00:46:05.960 —> 00:46:06.800
Really?

00:46:06.800 —> 00:46:08.040
I’ve only used them in that context.

00:46:08.040 —> 00:46:09.560
I’ve never used them in a corporate context.

00:46:09.560 —> 00:46:13.080
My, at my job, we use all Microsoft stuff.

00:46:13.080 —> 00:46:17.320
it’s all teams based and it’s all window, you know, teams for windows,

00:46:17.320 —> 00:46:21.680
pretty much, I guess there are people at my corporation that use max,

00:46:21.680 —> 00:46:25.400
but they’re very few and far between and they’re definitely not doing the job

00:46:25.400 —> 00:46:30.360
I’m doing, which relies on a lot of different windows,

00:46:30.360 —> 00:46:34.000
specific data analysis software and stuff like that.

00:46:34.000 —> 00:46:37.640
Yeah. Doing stuff via remote control. It’s,

00:46:37.640 —> 00:46:41.000
I won’t say never, but you know, it’s,

00:46:41.000 —> 00:46:47.760
It’s I don’t think it’s gonna be as good as doing everything natively for some time that said it’s generally good enough

00:46:47.760 —> 00:46:49.960
Oh, yeah, you you can use

00:46:49.960 —> 00:46:56.720
There’s more stuff in the cloud now, right you use windows in the cloud. Oh, yeah, I have some Amazon

00:46:56.720 —> 00:47:00.960
Personal desktops in the cloud that I use from time to time. What does that mean? And

00:47:00.960 —> 00:47:08.020
It it’s Windows desktops in the cloud. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. What does Amazon have to do with it? Why is Bezos sticking his

00:47:09.000 —> 00:47:14.480
Oh, so he rents out Windows instances.

00:47:14.480 —> 00:47:15.800
Yeah, exactly.

00:47:15.800 —> 00:47:17.680
Yeah, just like it’s AWS.

00:47:17.680 —> 00:47:19.520
It’s an AWS service.

00:47:19.520 —> 00:47:26.720
So there’s those, Azure has the Microsoft instances in the cloud, et cetera, et cetera.

00:47:26.720 —> 00:47:30.040
There’s lots of options for using someone else’s infrastructure.

00:47:30.040 —> 00:47:34.160
And that’s what I’m going to do the next time.

00:47:34.160 —> 00:47:40.520
I’m trying to decide if I want to do that or if I want to plunk down money for Parallels

00:47:40.520 —> 00:47:44.560
and run it locally on my machine.

00:47:44.560 —> 00:47:45.560
I really don’t.

00:47:45.560 —> 00:47:48.840
I don’t want to do either, but the nice thing is with one of those, I can just fire it up

00:47:48.840 —> 00:47:54.280
when I need it, which is not all that often, and then shut it down when I don’t.

00:47:54.280 —> 00:47:57.280
For a lot of stuff, it would probably be okay.

00:47:57.280 —> 00:48:03.080
It’s just going to take up a lot of hard drive space for something that you might use 25%

00:48:03.080 —> 00:48:05.040
of the time or something like that.

00:48:05.040 —> 00:48:06.040
Exactly.

00:48:06.040 —> 00:48:15.180
So, right now, I have an old 2016 Intel Core i7 HP laptop, and that’s my Windows box, and

00:48:15.180 —> 00:48:21.760
it’s also my VirtualBox host for an Ubuntu workstation when I need that for something.

00:48:21.760 —> 00:48:25.280
And that’s fine, because I just don’t need to do a lot of Windows stuff.

00:48:25.280 —> 00:48:28.620
The most of the stuff I need to do for Windows is with clients, and again, that’s in their

00:48:28.620 —> 00:48:33.020
Citrix infrastructure, so I don’t need my own to do that.

00:48:33.020 —> 00:48:37.740
So what kind of stuff are you doing in the Citrix infrastructure, in general terms, obviously?

00:48:37.740 —> 00:48:38.740
Email.

00:48:38.740 —> 00:48:39.740
Oh, okay.

00:48:39.740 —> 00:48:45.020
Well, I mean, so you’re consulting people on what to do and other people are doing the

00:48:45.020 —> 00:48:47.060
technical implementations.

00:48:47.060 —> 00:48:48.060
Is that accurate?

00:48:48.060 —> 00:48:49.300
It depends.

00:48:49.300 —> 00:48:59.240
For some, for other stuff, I’m doing firewall administration or I’m doing policy reviews

00:48:59.240 —> 00:49:05.920
or controls risk assessments, assessments against security frameworks like the NIST

00:49:05.920 —> 00:49:09.160
or NIST cybersecurity framework or the CIS controls.

00:49:09.160 —> 00:49:10.160
Okay.

00:49:10.160 —> 00:49:13.360
But if you’re doing, let’s say you’re doing firewall maintenance, is that something that

00:49:13.360 —> 00:49:14.880
you can do?

00:49:14.880 —> 00:49:19.220
Do you have to be in a Windows environment to do that or?

00:49:19.220 —> 00:49:25.240
So for those, I can either do it natively via VPN from my Mac or I do it by a VDI infrastructure

00:49:25.240 —> 00:49:27.240
from the customer.

00:49:27.240 —> 00:49:28.240
Okay.

00:49:28.240 —> 00:49:29.240
Interesting.

00:49:29.240 —> 00:49:30.240
Okay.

00:49:30.240 —> 00:49:31.240
Cool.

00:49:31.240 —> 00:49:36.720
We’ll just make noises for the rest of the day.

00:49:36.720 —> 00:49:39.900
But in general, my starting point is my Mac.

00:49:39.900 —> 00:49:48.580
So if there’s a VDI, I usually go there and start that way and then move on from there

00:49:48.580 —> 00:49:51.040
to if I have to have…

00:49:51.040 —> 00:49:52.640
Oh no, you have to have a VPN.

00:49:52.640 —> 00:49:55.200
You have to come on site and bring this, blah, blah, blah.

00:49:55.200 —> 00:49:56.200
I’m like, “Okay, fine.

00:49:56.200 —> 00:49:57.200
I’ll do that.”

00:49:57.200 —> 00:49:59.880
So yeah, that’s what I do.

00:49:59.880 —> 00:50:01.040
Interesting.

00:50:01.040 —> 00:50:03.520
Yep.

00:50:03.520 —> 00:50:04.360
Very interesting.

00:50:04.360 —> 00:50:05.360
Okay, let’s end.

00:50:05.360 —> 00:50:08.880
Let’s do something that I know that we had this discussion

00:50:08.880 —> 00:50:12.240
about let’s not be like blurring the lines.

00:50:12.240 —> 00:50:13.080
However-

00:50:13.080 —> 00:50:14.300
Want me to push the big red button?

00:50:14.300 —> 00:50:15.140
No, no, no.

00:50:15.140 —> 00:50:16.440
I just want to very briefly,

00:50:16.440 —> 00:50:18.320
you and I haven’t recommended anything good

00:50:18.320 —> 00:50:19.480
to each other recently.

00:50:19.480 —> 00:50:20.680
We’ve done this in the past

00:50:20.680 —> 00:50:22.120
where we’ve recommended something we’re watching,

00:50:22.120 —> 00:50:24.880
something we’re listening to, something we’re using.

00:50:24.880 —> 00:50:26.200
Or earlier in the podcast,

00:50:26.200 —> 00:50:29.200
We did talk about rectangle pro, so I guess that could qualify.

00:50:29.200 —> 00:50:32.920
I was going to say, you scooped me on that.

00:50:32.920 —> 00:50:36.480
Do you have anything else going on that you find of interest?

00:50:36.480 —> 00:50:39.380
You’re going to either, you’re going to, you’re going to, well, you’re going to flame me for

00:50:39.380 —> 00:50:40.380
this anyway though.

00:50:40.380 —> 00:50:41.380
It doesn’t really matter.

00:50:41.380 —> 00:50:42.380
No, I won’t.

00:50:42.380 —> 00:50:43.380
I promise unless I want to.

00:50:43.380 —> 00:50:45.380
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:50:45.380 —> 00:50:47.760
I, so I have an open mind about this.

00:50:47.760 —> 00:50:48.760
Okay.

00:50:48.760 —> 00:50:55.540
Because it’s not that I believe, okay, look, I’m not a Marco hater.

00:50:55.540 —> 00:50:57.340
There are a lot of Marco haters.

00:50:57.340 —> 00:50:58.340
Okay.

00:50:58.340 —> 00:51:04.100
I’m not one of them, but sometimes he’s a bit naive about stuff that he hasn’t gotten

00:51:04.100 —> 00:51:05.240
into before.

00:51:05.240 —> 00:51:10.000
Like the whole electric bicycle thing, like the whole driving on sand thing.

00:51:10.000 —> 00:51:14.540
It’s like he’s discovering, it’s like when he discovers it, he’s the, he like, there’s

00:51:14.540 —> 00:51:18.000
this whole new amazing world that no one possibly could have known about, except that everyone

00:51:18.000 —> 00:51:19.000
did.

00:51:19.000 —> 00:51:20.300
Except for him.

00:51:20.300 —> 00:51:21.300
Yeah.

00:51:21.300 —> 00:51:22.480
It’s called ignorance.

00:51:22.480 —> 00:51:23.480
Ignorance is bliss.

00:51:23.480 —> 00:51:25.300
And he’s a very, he seems like a very happy guy.

00:51:25.300 —> 00:51:26.660
Right, and he’s not a jerk about it.

00:51:26.660 —> 00:51:28.100
It’s not like he’s being a jerk.

00:51:28.100 —> 00:51:30.900
It’s just, there’s a lot of things that he doesn’t know.

00:51:30.900 —> 00:51:34.520
And he gets really surprised and amazed

00:51:34.520 —> 00:51:36.500
when he finds out about them, which is, you know,

00:51:36.500 —> 00:51:38.340
and just as opposed-

00:51:38.340 —> 00:51:39.860
You can drive on sand?

00:51:39.860 —> 00:51:41.920
Right, as opposed to just like,

00:51:41.920 —> 00:51:44.180
when something new comes up, you know,

00:51:44.180 —> 00:51:45.180
you and I are like, okay,

00:51:45.180 —> 00:51:46.560
I’m sure a lot of people know about this.

00:51:46.560 —> 00:51:47.700
This is just something I didn’t know about.

00:51:47.700 —> 00:51:49.380
You know, it’s, do you know what I mean?

00:51:49.380 —> 00:51:51.740
Like, I can’t explain it.

00:51:51.740 —> 00:51:52.900
I know I get that.

00:51:52.900 —> 00:51:55.460
And, but at the same time, I also, you know,

00:51:55.460 —> 00:51:58.380
I kind of like his childlike innocence.

00:51:58.380 —> 00:52:01.180
Yes, there is something to be said for that.

00:52:01.180 —> 00:52:02.660
You know, it’s kind of cute.

00:52:02.660 —> 00:52:05.540
And we’re both huge fans of his software, right?

00:52:05.540 —> 00:52:08.620
I mean, we both pay for and use Overcast

00:52:08.620 —> 00:52:10.060
probably hours a day.

00:52:10.060 —> 00:52:12.660
It’s probably the most frequently used app on my iPhone.

00:52:12.660 —> 00:52:15.220
Absolutely, and I like listening to,

00:52:15.220 —> 00:52:17.140
oh gosh, what’s the name of his podcast?

00:52:17.140 —> 00:52:18.380
See, my beer is kicking in.

00:52:18.380 —> 00:52:21.820
He has a podcast with underscore David Smith

00:52:21.820 —> 00:52:24.220
about the act of developing overcast

00:52:24.220 —> 00:52:25.380
and programming in general.

00:52:25.380 —> 00:52:27.440
And I like his thought processes.

00:52:27.440 —> 00:52:30.480
He’s very, I like listening to people

00:52:30.480 —> 00:52:34.540
who know what they’re doing and how they approach that.

00:52:34.540 —> 00:52:35.720
It doesn’t matter what the topic is.

00:52:35.720 —> 00:52:39.860
I like to hear how people structure their thought processes

00:52:39.860 —> 00:52:41.380
around the things that they do

00:52:41.380 —> 00:52:43.740
and the things that they know how to do well

00:52:43.740 —> 00:52:45.820
and what they’ve been successful in.

00:52:45.820 —> 00:52:48.800
So anyway, I have a lot of respect for the guy.

00:52:48.800 —> 00:52:50.540
So no, I have an open mind about this

00:52:50.540 —> 00:52:53.020
because in the past I’ve told you that Sonos

00:52:53.020 —> 00:52:55.080
sounds like a nightmare, it sounds like a train wreck,

00:52:55.080 —> 00:52:56.800
I can’t believe it, blah, blah, blah.

00:52:56.800 —> 00:53:01.800
But I am totally open to the idea that Sonos has improved

00:53:01.800 —> 00:53:07.680
and or that some of my stuff might’ve been misconceptions

00:53:07.680 —> 00:53:09.740
based on how Airplay interacted with Sonos,

00:53:09.740 —> 00:53:10.580
et cetera, et cetera.

00:53:10.580 —> 00:53:14.400
So you’re not, I’m actually not gonna blast you at all

00:53:14.400 —> 00:53:15.420
about the Sonos thing.

00:53:15.420 —> 00:53:17.340
I’m actually on board with you on this one.

00:53:17.340 —> 00:53:20.500
Yeah, so pretty much all of the problems

00:53:20.500 —> 00:53:23.900
that I have had with Sonos have been around

00:53:23.900 —> 00:53:27.460
their Amazon personal assistant integration

00:53:27.460 —> 00:53:31.060
or their AirPlay support.

00:53:31.060 —> 00:53:31.900
Right.

00:53:31.900 —> 00:53:33.600
And I’m not a hundred percent certain

00:53:33.600 —> 00:53:37.020
that a hundred percent of the AirPlay stuff is their fault.

00:53:37.020 —> 00:53:37.860
Sure.

00:53:37.860 —> 00:53:40.740
It’s probably a lot of their fault, right?

00:53:40.740 —> 00:53:44.940
But when I just use their stuff natively,

00:53:44.940 —> 00:53:47.060
it really is nice, it’s really good.

00:53:47.060 —> 00:53:53.340
And the other thing to keep in mind, I just realized just recently, most of my Sonos hardware

00:53:53.340 —> 00:53:54.740
is 10 years old.

00:53:54.740 —> 00:53:56.300
Yeah, for sure.

00:53:56.300 —> 00:53:57.300
Right?

00:53:57.300 —> 00:53:58.300
How many…

00:53:58.300 —> 00:53:59.300
I understand.

00:53:59.300 —> 00:54:00.300
Speakers?

00:54:00.300 —> 00:54:04.340
Yes, I have 10-year-old speakers, but each one of these is a little Linux-powered network

00:54:04.340 —> 00:54:05.340
computer.

00:54:05.340 —> 00:54:10.420
How many 10-year-old computers do you have lying around that you’re still using?

00:54:10.420 —> 00:54:12.660
But see, that’s a bit of a problem.

00:54:12.660 —> 00:54:14.980
Yeah, I get it.

00:54:14.980 —> 00:54:18.400
I’m not defending them, but I am saying, okay, fine.

00:54:18.400 —> 00:54:25.600
So I did decide to take advantage of their 100 day guarantee and upgrade some of my Sonos

00:54:25.600 —> 00:54:33.020
infrastructure and I’m going to be curious to see how it responds when I am using just

00:54:33.020 —> 00:54:36.400
newer generation stuff versus the old stuff.

00:54:36.400 —> 00:54:37.400
Yeah.

00:54:37.400 —> 00:54:38.400
Yes, yes, yes.

00:54:38.400 —> 00:54:41.500
I have a suspicion that a lot of your problems are going to go away.

00:54:41.500 —> 00:54:42.500
Probably would.

00:54:42.500 —> 00:54:50.260
And what I did is I sort of decided to kind of go all in on this too, because recently I decided

00:54:50.260 —> 00:54:57.860
not to remodel my kitchen to the tune of 80 to $100,000. Yeah, so I’m not doing that.

00:54:57.860 —> 00:55:00.740
So you spent all that money, you spent 80 grand on Sonos?

00:55:00.740 —> 00:55:11.700
Exactly. No. What I did decide to do is spend a fraction of that on Sonos gear. And so I bought

00:55:11.700 —> 00:55:14.140
I bought a couple of new Sonos, you know,

00:55:14.140 —> 00:55:16.300
they’re little Sonos One speakers

00:55:16.300 —> 00:55:19.560
with the Sonos assistant built in.

00:55:19.560 —> 00:55:21.660
So I don’t have to use the A word.

00:55:21.660 —> 00:55:22.500
And it is nice.

00:55:22.500 —> 00:55:24.380
The one thing that’s really cool is I can say,

00:55:24.380 —> 00:55:27.740
”Hey, Sonos, group living room with third floor.”

00:55:27.740 —> 00:55:30.220
I can just verbally do it without having to open up the app

00:55:30.220 —> 00:55:32.300
and the music just follows me around the house,

00:55:32.300 —> 00:55:33.740
which is great.

00:55:33.740 —> 00:55:38.740
But what I also did is I followed the example

00:55:40.200 —> 00:55:46.120
a close friend of mine up in Vermont and I am putting speakers in my ceiling.

00:55:46.120 —> 00:55:52.120
And I bought a Sonos amp to drive those.

00:55:52.120 —> 00:55:54.280
All right, check this out.

00:55:54.280 —> 00:55:55.880
Terminal gravity! I know that!

00:55:55.880 —> 00:56:01.960
I am going to have a terminal gravity brewing Festive Ale and it’s a strong winter ale.

00:56:01.960 —> 00:56:07.960
Now I will say that this one, this is another one that turned out to be pretty good,

00:56:07.960 —> 00:56:09.720
but I probably won’t buy again.

00:56:09.720 —> 00:56:11.720
Pretty good, but not good enough.

00:56:11.720 —> 00:56:18.520
And here’s the problem. Here therein lies the problem with our thumbs up,

00:56:18.520 —> 00:56:21.000
thumbs down situation, because if I’m not going to buy it again,

00:56:21.000 —> 00:56:25.400
is that a thumbs down or the fact that it doesn’t really bug me that much,

00:56:25.400 —> 00:56:27.400
but it’s not one of my favorites, is that a thumbs up?

00:56:27.400 —> 00:56:34.680
I don’t know. But before we move on, I will say it’s the Sonos amp and the Sonos One.

00:56:34.680 —> 00:56:40.360
I also bought some Niles speakers and I bought them from Crutchfield.

00:56:40.360 —> 00:56:45.480
I have been a Crutchfield customer on and off for decades.

00:56:45.480 —> 00:56:47.640
They have amazing car installation kits, by the way.

00:56:47.640 —> 00:56:51.720
Amazing car installation kits, amazing customer service.

00:56:51.720 —> 00:56:58.360
And the guy helped me online. I was like, “Look, I’m looking for these speakers.” I told them what

00:56:58.360 —> 00:57:04.520
I’m looking for. I said, “I know Sonos makes the speakers that you can put in the ceiling.” And

00:57:04.520 —> 00:57:08.200
And he’s like, yeah, but anything Sonos, you’re going to be paying a premium for that.

00:57:08.200 —> 00:57:09.320
And I was like, right.

00:57:09.320 —> 00:57:13.280
So what’s good? You know, clips, pulse, Polk audio.

00:57:13.280 —> 00:57:15.200
He said, yeah, well, they’re all pretty expensive.

00:57:15.200 —> 00:57:17.600
I’m like, I know, but I’ve heard the names. I don’t know what else.

00:57:17.600 —> 00:57:20.000
He’s like, these Niles speakers are just as good.

00:57:20.000 —> 00:57:22.600
And look at the price and look, they’re on sale.

00:57:22.600 —> 00:57:24.120
They’re like half off.

00:57:24.120 —> 00:57:26.720
So I literally got twice as many producers.

00:57:26.720 —> 00:57:31.320
How do they interact with that Sonos infrastructure?

00:57:31.760 —> 00:57:38.960
cable. The Sonos amp just powers your speakers. So the Sonos amp is just another Sonos equipment

00:57:38.960 —> 00:57:43.520
without any speakers. And if you want to you can tell it, “hey don’t output to these dum-dums.”

00:57:43.520 —> 00:57:48.800
But yeah you get to choose, you know, this becomes, it just becomes, the amp becomes another room.

00:57:48.800 —> 00:57:56.880
And so pretty soon my living room/dining room will have its own set of speakers in the ceiling,

00:57:56.880 —> 00:58:01.200
you know, throughout the whole first floor will have in-ceiling speakers. I’m pretty stoked about

00:58:01.200 —> 00:58:05.920
that. Is this for future episodes of Friends with Brews where you plan on drinking so much that

00:58:05.920 —> 00:58:08.960
you’re just laying on the floor staring up at the ceiling? Is that what this is all about?

00:58:08.960 —> 00:58:16.000
That’s pretty funny too because I had someone suggest that we host a stuffed brioche French

00:58:16.000 —> 00:58:21.600
toast date where after we eat them we spread a blanket out on the floor and just stare at

00:58:21.600 —> 00:58:27.440
the ceiling for a while. Oh my God. So there you go. I think that’s a great idea. All right. Well,

00:58:27.440 —> 00:58:30.960
I will just wrap it up real quick because we’ve been going for a while and you probably have

00:58:30.960 —> 00:58:32.120
have better things to do with your life,

00:58:32.120 —> 00:58:34.400
but the listeners don’t for sure, so.

00:58:34.400 —> 00:58:37.640
I wanna talk about something called the peripheral.

00:58:37.640 —> 00:58:40.200
William Gibson wrote a book called “The Peripheral”

00:58:40.200 —> 00:58:42.280
many years ago, but I don’t know how long ago,

00:58:42.280 —> 00:58:43.720
and I’m not gonna look it up right now.

00:58:43.720 —> 00:58:47.280
Anyway, Amazon Prime now has made that into a TV series,

00:58:47.280 —> 00:58:49.720
and there’s only been three episodes so far,

00:58:49.720 —> 00:58:52.800
and the fourth episode comes out on Friday.

00:58:52.800 —> 00:58:54.320
Okay.

00:58:54.320 —> 00:58:56.480
A lot of times when they take good books

00:58:56.480 —> 00:58:58.180
and make them into TV series,

00:58:58.180 —> 00:59:00.200
they don’t turn out to be that good.

00:59:00.200 —> 00:59:01.280
They turn out to be disappointing.

00:59:01.280 —> 00:59:02.840
This is not one of those.

00:59:02.840 —> 00:59:06.540
So far, it is very good.

00:59:06.540 —> 00:59:08.440
I haven’t read the book in a while,

00:59:08.440 —> 00:59:11.360
so I don’t remember if it’s exactly the same,

00:59:11.360 —> 00:59:14.440
and it’s just good.

00:59:14.440 —> 00:59:15.640
I really like it.

00:59:15.640 —> 00:59:19.440
So if you have Amazon Prime and you’re bored,

00:59:19.440 —> 00:59:21.160
give the peripheral a try.

00:59:21.160 —> 00:59:22.000
Just give it a try.

00:59:22.000 —> 00:59:25.340
Watch a couple episodes and see what you think about it,

00:59:25.340 —> 00:59:26.920
but I really like it.

00:59:26.920 —> 00:59:31.920
I don’t know how much you’re into what I would call sci-fi.

00:59:31.920 —> 00:59:34.920
Well, you know, have you ever read William Gibson?

00:59:34.920 —> 00:59:36.960
I have not.

00:59:36.960 —> 00:59:41.080
Okay, so this book was written in,

00:59:41.080 —> 00:59:41.920
when was it written?

00:59:41.920 —> 00:59:43.540
2015, yeah.

00:59:43.540 —> 00:59:45.100
I believe there’s a sequel that I own,

00:59:45.100 —> 00:59:46.920
but haven’t read yet, but yeah,

00:59:46.920 —> 00:59:49.200
it’s so far, it’s a very good TV series.

00:59:49.200 —> 00:59:50.080
I’m really impressed with it,

00:59:50.080 —> 00:59:51.480
and I can’t wait to see where it goes next.

00:59:51.480 —> 00:59:53.940
So if you’re bored and you like

00:59:53.940 —> 00:59:58.160
William Gibson-esque type of sci-fi or cyberpunk,

00:59:58.160 —> 01:00:00.000
if you want to call it that, give it a shot.

01:00:00.000 —> 01:00:00.840
It’s good.

01:00:00.840 —> 01:00:01.680
There you go.

01:00:01.680 —> 01:00:02.520
Good.

01:00:02.520 —> 01:00:05.440
Well, on that note, I think we should…

01:00:05.440 —> 01:00:06.280
Type cookie?

01:00:06.280 —> 01:00:08.120
There’s a new virus in the database.

01:00:08.120 —> 01:00:09.560
What’s happening?

01:00:09.560 —> 01:00:11.080
Replicating, eating up memory.

01:00:11.080 —> 01:00:11.920
What do I do?

01:00:11.920 —> 01:00:13.340
Type cookie, you idiot.

01:00:13.340 —> 01:00:16.400
Type cookie, you idiot.

01:00:16.400 —> 01:00:17.840
That never gets old, Peter.

01:00:17.840 —> 01:00:22.900
Can I hang up now?

01:00:22.900 —> 01:00:23.900
You can hang up.

01:00:23.900 —> 01:00:24.540
Oh my god.

01:00:24.540 —> 01:00:25.460
I’m going to hang up now.