Episode 20 – I’m Sorry Dave, I’m Afraid I Can’t Do That
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Friends with Brews. I have a sound clip that’ll play later. Yeah, you used a sound clip
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No, I have a sound clip that I’ll play later that you sent me
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You probably don’t even remember sending it to me now
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I probably don’t ha but who are you for me to be sending you sound clips? It’s in the show notes
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My name is Scott for that matter. Who am I?
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What the hell what is going on something is playing music in your house
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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There’s a lady downstairs playing with my Sonos,
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and she probably just told it to play everywhere.
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This was not planned.
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Give me a second.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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That’s hilarious.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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Either that or—
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It just stopped.
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It’s either that or the A word heard.
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Alexa, what did you just hear?
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Yeah, ‘cause I stopped it.
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I haven’t heard anything in the last minute.
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You can listen to all your requests
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in the privacy section of the Alexa app.
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I don’t know if that’s the kind of music
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she’d be listening to or not.
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Anyway, where were we?
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I don’t know.
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I’m Scott, you’re Peter.
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We have brews.
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We have brews.
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What are you having for,
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wait, what kind of brews are we talking about today, Scott?
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I have already got mine in the show notes.
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I have a coava San Marcos Honduras.
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Honduras.
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It’s rich and chocolatey.
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It has pear, brown sugar, and baker’s chocolate.
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Ooh.
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Yeah, and it’s pretty good.
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It’s not as amazing as that sounds,
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but that could also be because I need to experiment
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a little with the grind and maybe the brew on this.
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Okay.
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Not all coffees are the same,
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but I tend to grind them the same and brew them the same.
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Really? Not all coffees are the same.
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I mean, there are a lot of people who-
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Ooh, that’s good though.
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You probably don’t realize that.
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That’s pretty good.
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I think I would buy that again.
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I’ll have to experiment with the grind a little bit
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and see if I can get it just a little smoother.
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That’s pretty good.
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Well, I, sir, am drinking a counterculture slow motion.
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And as the name may imply, it is decaf.
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Peter isn’t slow, oh.
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Well, I am, because I’m drinking decaf.
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This is actually my fourth cup of coffee for the day.
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I had three cups this morning before like 9 a.m.
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And then I didn’t eat anything until after like one o’clock.
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And that’s when I finally had a lunch break.
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Uh huh.
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So, counterculture, slow motion.
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Bladder doing.
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Decaf.
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Yeah, so counterculture, slow motion, decaf.
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I like this.
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I don’t know, I’ve had one of their other coffees.
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It’s I think called 46.
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I don’t remember if we talked about that
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on the show yet or not.
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But I like it.
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And this is good.
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It’s tasty.
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It’s just a tiny bit more acidic than I like,
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’cause when I go to decaf,
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I just go usually with the Wegmans store brand,
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decaf espresso roast.
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Anyway, I like counterculture.
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Like I said, slightly more acidic than I like, but good.
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This is definitely a drinkable coffee.
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I probably will buy it again eventually,
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but I am trying to vary and branch out a little bit
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and try new coffees.
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So every time I go to the store,
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I buy a different cup of something or a different bag of something.
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Yeah, I’m definitely trying to do that too.
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But my problem is it also affects my wife because coffee bags are
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expensive. We both drink coffee.
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And it’s pretty rare that I can justify buying a stash for myself.
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And I actually, I can be price sensitive with things.
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Yeah.
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And I, as you’ve heard me say many times on this show,
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I, you know, my default coffee is just the Wegmans store
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brand espresso roast.
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I really like it.
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I don’t buy it just cause it’s like one of the cheapest
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thing, I think the Dunkin Donuts stuff might be cheaper.
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It’s really my favorite coffee that I can get at the store.
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So I go to something like this, which costs maybe twice
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as much as theirs and I’m like, okay, it was fun to try.
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I’m going back to the old reliable.
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Yeah, and that’s fair.
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Like coffee is one of those things where I don’t know why but the way I brew it maybe
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is more sensitive to it but it’s easy to get a bitter cup of coffee if you’re not careful
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and a lot of coffees that people like aren’t that smooth and yeah we are also people that
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tend to fall back on a couple really beloved favorites.
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I do say beloved.
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By the way, I also have the very flat and very rectangular chocolate chip cookie that
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my wife made.
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This is homemade.
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Anyway, it’s good with coffee.
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I imagine it would be.
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Before we go on, a question.
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Your favorite recording software for the Mac, you’re using Audio Hijack Pro?
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Is that correct?
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Audio Hijack.
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And Audio Hijack.
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It’s just called Audio Hijack now.
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Oh, it’s not.
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Okay.
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So if I was to buy it, it’s okay because I’m not a pro when it comes to this.
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You will be if you buy it.
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And that’s Rogue Amoeba software, correct?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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Are they just Rogue Amoeba?
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Yeah.
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Rogue Amoeba.
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Okay.
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So I use Piezo because it’s charmingly simple.
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Right.
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Charmingly simple.
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It’s a little too simple.
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It’s a little too charming.
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Well, I’m starting to get to that point.
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There are things when I would like to be able to do with, for example, does audio hijack
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support the mute function?
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you mute while you’re on a recording? I’m gonna go with no because you’re thinking
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about this way too much. I think the answer is no because I think I say I’m
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not a hundred percent sure. I’m trying to remember if you mute it if it will also
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pause that recording. What you want it to do is keep rolling and fill the track
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with silence no matter what’s going on. I think the answer is no. I think the answer is no.
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Okay okay no that’s that’s fine I was just curious about that. That is a
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feature that I’m kind of missing so I was just wondering if that was gonna be
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filled by that gap. The Snowball is USB right? It is USB old which means I have
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it running through an adapter to get onto my Mac MacBook now. What is Fission?
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Rogue Amoeba Fission. Fission is just a very simple audio editor I actually use
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it for what do I use it for I use it for making clips like a lot of the sound
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clips that I have in my my soundboard okay they go through fission so I can
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normalize them and clip off parts that I don’t want or join sections together and chop out
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stuff in the middle stuff like that.
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So it’s not something you would use to edit a podcast but it’s certainly something you
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can use to clean up audio files for general purpose use.
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Okay.
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I don’t do much of that and the audio hijack folks, they’re pretty contained to audio stuff,
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right?
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They don’t do like screen captures and stuff?
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Correct, that’s right.
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Screen flow or whatever.
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Okay, I’m just curious.
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Just curious.
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Okay, okay, all right. I think that’s all the questions I have right now.
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The piece of software of theirs that I use in order for you to hear the soundboard,
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for me to be able to play the soundboard and you to hear it, that’s Loopback.
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And basically what I can do in Loopback is create a microphone,
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a virtual microphone, that’s really my mic plus Forago, which is the soundboard app.
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Forago?
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Yeah, and so that means that it all comes through the microphone setting in FaceTime,
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so you can hear it too.
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Okay, okay, cool.
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Alright, I feel like I’ve gotten a little bit of education.
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I was trying to see if there was a USB version of what I’m using for my mic, because it’s
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got a capacitive touch.
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See, I just muted it.
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All I have to do is touch the top of the box and it goes mute.
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It’s called a Wave XLR.
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It allows me to set things like clipping protection.
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I listen to my headphones through it.
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My mic goes into it.
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My mic’s an XLR though.
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And then volume, gain, all that kind of stuff in addition to the mute.
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And the nice thing about the mute is I can set whatever colors I want when it’s recording,
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when it’s taking input, and whatever colors I want when it’s muted.
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So I know when this thing is muted.
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All I have to do is look at it and look at the LEDs and I know that I’m on mute or not.
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It’s really nice.
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But the fact that they call it Wave XLR makes me think there must be a USB version, but
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right now I’m failing to find one on their website.
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Something like Wave USB?
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Wave DX?
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I don’t know.
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All right.
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Well, anyway.
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Anyway, whatever.
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Who cares?
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Exactly.
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Obviously we do, but that’s not why we’re here today.
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What are we here to talk about and record about and things?
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Mission, quest, thing.
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I… you gotta look at the website for Hollywood Theater.
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There is this theater in Portland.
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Portlandia?
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Called Hollywood Theater.
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It’s in the Hollywood district of Portland.
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Yeah.
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And it’s a theater that’s been around for a long, long, long time.
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It’s historic, but it’s basically kept going by donors and members.
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So basically people will buy memberships and make donations and that’s what allows them to keep going.
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They’ve got 70mm projectors which are really hard to find now.
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And so they’re always on the lookout for trying to find backup equipment and find replacement equipment and stuff like that.
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But anyway, the version of 2001 that we watched on Saturday, they had made specially for them.
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Because when they first opened Hollywood Theatre a long time ago, or reopened, I can’t remember,
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They had a copy of 2001 and it wasn’t that great.
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So they actually got themselves working with the movie company
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and some 70mm film producers, of which there’s only one company that deals in anymore.
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They actually got themselves a custom reel, or however many reels.
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They got a custom copy of 2001 in 70mm and it’s really nice.
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It looked really good.
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It was a lot of fun.
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This place is crazy.
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They’ve got a pipe organ and it’s a real pipe organ.
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All the pipes are behind the screen.
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They weren’t doing anything with it when we were there, but they can.
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You would love this place.
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I wish we would have gone to this place when you were here.
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Sounds kind of cool.
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And you can sit in there and eat slices of pizza and drink beer
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while you watch the movies.
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I mean, that sounds even better.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So what else are we talking about?
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I don’t know.
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What do you got?
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So I have been, as you know, I have been using Edge, uh, Microsoft
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Edge, the chromium based version.
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I know.
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Um, pretty much since it came out and overall I liked it and I liked the
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synchronization across platforms. I liked not having another Google thing as my primary
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everything. I understand that. And it just plain does not work with some websites. So here’s the thing
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I know that a lot of people hate Firefox, but
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Firefox actually is not a pig anymore. It’s actually a better performer now than Chrome
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They go through phases though, don’t you think? I mean, you know, they go through cycles. So does Google. Google is a resource hub.
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Oh, absolutely. This is why I wanted to stop using Chrome for the longest time and I did.
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But is Microsoft Edge that much better? It’s based on Chromium.
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It’s based on Chromium, yes, but there’s a lot of stuff that both Google and Chromium are, I mean,
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Microsoft are adding after the fact that really significantly changes the browser.
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Right, but my impression was the engine itself is pretty garbagey.
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I don’t know about that. I mean, we’ve got, wait, how many different versions are there now? There’s WebKit and there’s Chromium?
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No, WebKit’s not Chromium.
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Right, but that’s two. Those are two engines. Are there any others? Or is everything WebKit and Chromium these days?
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I don’t know what Firefox is using, to be honest. Firefox is using their own, aren’t they?
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I don’t even remember. I feel like I should know this and I feel stupid for asking.
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Ahh… buh buh buh buh buh buh… it uses the Gecko rendering engine.
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Latest version of Firefox uses gecko Safari and Chrome use WebKit. There we go. So it’s Safari that’s using WebKit
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I don’t believe that Chrome uses WebKit anymore. Chrome used to use WebKit and then they forked it off into chromium
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It’s not the same as WebKit anymore
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Okay, so seven years ago. Yes seven years ago. They did use WebKit then they forked so developer
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”mozilla.org has document that says ‘applications based on WebKit or Blink, such as Safari and
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Chrome blah blah blah.” Now that document was updated in September, but that doesn’t
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mean it’s current.
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I don’t think Chrome uses WebKit.
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Why don’t we ask? Let’s go and say, “Is Chromium based on WebKit?” Is Chromium based on Firefox?
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WebKit and During Engine share between Safari and Chromium. So says chromium.org.
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But here back in… it does, but I remember back in fact here’s a link right here on 2013 saying
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it was built on WebKit and then they forked it and in Wikipedia under WebKit it says WebKit
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is used as the rendering engine in Safari and was formerly used by Google Chrome.
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Chrome used only WebCore and included its own JavaScript engine. I know Chrome has its own
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own JavaScript engine because that v8 JavaScript engine is what what node uses
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that’s definitely different than WebKit okay all right so the iOS version of
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Firefox uses WebKit because I don’t think well they have no choice right
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yeah Apple doesn’t let anybody they have no choice exactly exactly but yes it
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uses gecko it does use gecko but does Chrome okay is still use WebKit sure
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That’s the question I was just answering.
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And then the answer was what?
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Chromium.org.
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We do not actually use the layer Apple calls WebKit.
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See?
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Got it.
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Okay, so what’s it called?
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It’s a rendering engine?
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Chromium.
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Okay, so it’s just its own thing.
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Yeah.
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Got it.
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Okay, got it.
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WebKit, no.
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Chromium, yes.
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Okay, so we have three major things out there.
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the webkit chromium and gecko and I would wager that any other weird
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browsers probably use chromium to opera I don’t know I haven’t looked at brave
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is opera even still a thing brave is just Firefox no is it isn’t yeah no
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brave is no it’s based on chromium it says right here okay sorry
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Tor is just Firefox. Tor is Firefox just reskinned. Brave. Can I say this out loud?
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Brave is like the browser that people who are paranoid but not real tech savvy go to. That’s my impression.
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Yes, Opera is chromium based and Vivaldi is just Opera, right? I don’t pay attention.
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I don’t I don’t I don’t see the point. I don’t understand it. Yes. Okay, so it’s also chromium based. So yeah.
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Yeah, I have not been paying a lot of attention to these alternate browsers. Yeah
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Yeah, I have an idea.
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I am starting to use Safari a little more
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just because there are some things that it does better
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like integrating with hide my mail and SMS.
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When I get prompted for two-factor codes in a form fill,
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I can do that.
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So that’s kind of cool.
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And it does integrate across all my Apple devices.
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Yes.
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It doesn’t integrate across my Apple and Windows devices.
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And that’s where Edge had the upper hand.
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But I’m actually now going through a phase
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where I’m segmenting off my browsing.
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And I’m actually using Chrome again for one reason,
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because I just found out about Chrome profiles,
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or just rediscovered them.
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I hadn’t been using them for a while.
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So you can have a-when you sign into the browser,
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you can sign into your Chrome browser with a Google account.
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And I have a number of different Google accounts.
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So it’s nice, because one of them is strictly for a client,
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one of them is for Paradigm, and one is for my personal stuff.
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So to have three different browsers, three different sets of extensions, three different
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sets of bookmarks, kind of cool.
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And it really, it’s nice because I just fire up this browser.
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I become Peter at Paradigm and boom, I see all my Paradigm tools.
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I come over to this client account.
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I have all those tools.
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I come to personal and I don’t have any of those tools, but I’ve got my own fast mail
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and other stuff that I want to see.
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So it’s, it’s kind of neat.
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That is really neat.
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Uh, Safari doesn’t have anything like that.
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What it does have is it has tab groups.
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And I’ve been using tab groups.
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Like I’ve got a programming tab group, I’ve got a web development tab group, I’ve got
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actually different programming tab groups because I’ve got one for like Python right
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now that’s stuffed with all the Python stuff that I’m learning.
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I’ve got one for SwiftUI.
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But my main complaint about the way they do their tab groups is anytime you click a link
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in any other app, it jumps back to the default group and opens it in that. And I hate that.
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I hate that behavior. And not only that, if I have a window with like 20 tabs, a lot of
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times a link will just open in its own window. I don’t want two windows. I want one window
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with a billion tabs.
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I was getting really confused because I had Safari as my default browser and somehow I
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I was clicking links in Gmail and in Chrome and it was spawning Safari.
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Right.
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And I was like, wait, where did that just go?
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Where, where did my email go?
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I’m so lost.
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So that was kind of funny.
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But I’m curious to hear a little bit about Python.
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Talk to me about Python.
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Cause I did use Python like it was 2003 when I dove into Python.
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That was back in the Python two days, right?
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Oh yeah.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Now there’s a segmentation.
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You have to choose. Are you going to use Python 2 or are you going to use Python 3?
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And I’m using Python 3.
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If you’re starting with new, you want 3 because 2 is like, it’s going away rapidly.
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Yeah. But the reason I started using it was I was playing with…
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I thought I would just write a quick script that gets a list of the people that follow me on Mastodon and keeps track of them.
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So over time, I’ll be able to look at the changes in my followers.
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And the first library that I came across that looked like it would help me integrate with
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the Mastodon API was one called Mastodon.py.
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So I thought, “Okay, I’ll do this in Python.”
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I’ve always wanted to actually program a utility or do something in Python anyway.
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We use it all the time at work, and I’ve looked at Python scripts and edited them, but I’ve
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just never actually sat down and wrote anything with it.
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So I started using it, and I’m really surprised at how full-featured Python 3 is.
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And the first thing I noticed was the logging, because in JavaScript with Node scripts, I
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a third-party utility called Winston. And it’s got super good logging. Well, Python
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has pretty much the same level of logging built right in now. So it’s clear that they
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focused on certain specific things, and I really kind of like it. And as I go through,
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I’m finding that a lot of this stuff, I don’t know if it’s just because this is my nth language,
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or if it’s just because Python makes discovering some of the concepts easier, but figuring
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it how to do something that I would do in a node script or some other language in Python
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has been really easy for me.
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Okay. I remember when I started with Python and I mean I have to I’ve seen some Python
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3 which it doesn’t look materially it’s the same like you know it’s an evolution language
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right right not apparently like what Perl 6 apparently I haven’t even like followed
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like was did Perl 6 even become a thing and apparently they named it Raku and changed
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it so it’s so different, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Didn’t it become object-oriented at some point?
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Was that before the
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Wall?
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I met Larry Wall in 2005, and he was presenting at a conference.
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And he had the slide, if it was 2005, let’s say it was 2005, and he had a slide and the
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projected release date for like real Pearl 6 was 2004, a year prior.
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And I raised he had any questions.
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I said, yes, are you still on time on target with that release date?
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And he looks at it, he turns around and says, yes.
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It became clearer over time, like it was never happening.
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And I was back, I was in the like the Pearl, like Pearl was like a thing for me.
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I had all the books and I was everything I could program.
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I was programming in Perl.
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It was great.
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It’s a lot of fun.
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Is your name John Siracusa?
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No.
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Oh.
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And then I did start playing around with Python and I did really like it.
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And I thought the learning curve for Python was trivial easy to get started.
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Trivially easy.
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Perl is a particularly obtuse language.
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Not if you’re already familiar with Bash and C.
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I was familiar with C before I started with Perl and Perl still looked like some a$$---e
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designed it just to piss people off.
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It can be, but I used Perl as a better C than C. So that’s why a lot of my Perl code looks
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like it looks shockingly like C code.
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In fact, some of it could probably even compile, but that was for me, it was just like, oh,
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it’s like C only I don’t need to declare my own string type and stuff like that.
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It was really cool.
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But Perl gets real hard real quick when you want to do really fancy things.
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Python I found the same way.
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It’s like, you know, Python was like, “Wow, this is so easy.
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This is so easy.
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This is so easy.
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Wait, how the hell am I supposed to…
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I don’t get it.”
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It was like everything was going fine and I got up to like 65 miles an hour and then
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I hit this brick wall with advanced data structures and things.
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I don’t even remember exactly what it was that I couldn’t wrap my head around.
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But for basic scripts and stuff, I liked it.
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I think the fact that I just went through a longer learning curve with Node and a lot
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of that ecosystem and learning about some of the things that are typical with it really
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helped me come up to speed really fast on Python, like package management, how to install
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packages locally so that you can develop them while you use them, et cetera.
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All that kind of stuff, I had to learn that the first time when I did it with JavaScript.
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And though it’s different with Python, a lot of these languages do a lot of the same kinds
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of things now, as you would expect.
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Right.
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So, question on that.
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Did you consider Golang or Rust when you decided to learn this new program language?
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Rust looks interesting.
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Golang?
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I hate Go.
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I really do.
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And I know a lot of people like it.
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Part of the problem I hate Go, though, isn’t really Go’s fault.
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Part of the problem I hate Go is Go templating languages’ fault.
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And when we were messing around using Hugo for the web, that’s go templating language.
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And it made me want to kill someone and I still want to kill those people.
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And but more appropriately, we use Python all the time at work.
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It’s used for tons of different scripts that we have that it makes way more sense for me
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to, to dig into Python than it does for me to learn go or rust because nobody in my job
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is going to be using those.
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Yeah.
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Isn’t rust a compiled language?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The rust and go are, they’re both.
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So the reason, the things I’m using Python for are like server scripts and utility things.
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Things that will run on a server, they don’t need to be super performant, but yeah.
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Yep.
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And for those, I generally, if it’s on Linux, I generally still drop into Perl.
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Yeah.
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And if it’s really, really small, I’ll do bash, but otherwise it’s Perl.
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And if it’s Windows, I try to do it in PowerShell.
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And again, for simple stuff, like it’s easy.
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And then I can do some stuff with PowerShell syntax just wraps my brain.
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It is weird.
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I don’t get it. It’s it’s like wow in Perl I would just do this but in PowerShell
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I need to do this to this to this to this, but that’s actually an interesting project
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I should I should throw those over at ChatGPT like how would I express this Perl code in PowerShell and see what it says?
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I’ll bet you it can translate
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PowerShell is weird because one of the guys I work with is really pretty good at PowerShell
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And I look at some of his stuff, and I’m going oh, that’s great
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And then I get to something and I’m like how would you have ever known that like?
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Yeah, exactly. How am I supposed to know that? I don’t know.
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I don’t know.
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Oh boy. So yes, I’m having fun with ChatGPT though. It’s interesting, asking the things that I can throw in AI.
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I guess… It’s not that I don’t think it’s fun. I know I’ve been cranky about it.
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What makes me cranky is the people who seem to take it super seriously, like it really is doing amazing things. It’s regurgitating huge data sets.
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Sure, but it’s always people that are making you cranky. That’s what they do people make us cranky. Well, it’s not my fault that people are
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But no, but a lot of people like I think some people are overestimating what it’s actually doing. Yeah
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For example when it comes to writing samples, it’s a cliche machine like it just scours a lot of bad literature
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Clearly nobody bought a bunch of expensive really good books for it to read
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Programming-wise, both Stack Overflow and GitHub claim that the problem with it is it creates reasonable-looking code that’s wrong.
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Right. I mean wrong. Right. And if you ask it logic questions,
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it also comes up with the incorrect an-like, it’s not good at logic puzzles. So what you’re saying is, before I
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turn any
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junior developers or analysts onto this
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thing they really should know what they’re doing first because otherwise it’s just gonna be like just mashing fingers on a
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old-school calculator and
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Just trusting any number that you get back from it if you actually want to use this code
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You will have to have somebody that does know what they’re doing review every bit of it, right?
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Otherwise you’re just gonna copy. Well, this is what it told me is fine, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that’s that’s problem
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That’s a problem, but it’s interesting. I just think that
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I’m a little worried about people’s over-reliance on things they don’t understand.
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[Laughter]
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I think we’re seeing the evidence that the people who are religious about their tech and think they’re changing the world aren’t necessarily to be trusted.
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And the people that don’t understand the tech aren’t to be trusted either because they’ll believe in stuff that clearly is voodoo.
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Huh? What do you mean? Don’t trust my code.
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Speaking of not trusting things, let’s talk about Twitter real quick, because I’ve got about 10 minutes where I have to leave the house.
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There’s something to not be trusted. Yeah.
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So we haven’t talked about Twitter in so long.
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I know. But you sent me the sound clip a long time ago, and I meant to play it last time and I didn’t. But you can talk about this a little bit. What is Smashing Security?
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Smashing Security is a podcast hosted by Graham Cluelly and Carol Terrio. They’re both ex-Sofos employees.
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Oh, it’s funny. It’s I’d say maybe it’s my third or fourth favorite security podcast at these days
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at this time. But yeah, it’s pretty funny. And they generally have a good sense of humor,
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a lot of injected into their shows. A lot of it’s, you know, somewhat British humor because Graham
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is British. But I also really like a lot of their co-hosts. And that was where I found out about
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the cyber wire because Dave Bittner is an occasional co-host he’s the host of the cyber
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wire but they also have others who are just you know like interesting co-hosts so I use them to
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find more sources of of information but anyway yes I sent you a clip from the Smashing Security
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podcast but I don’t remember which one it was here it goes I thought he was spending 44 billion
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dollars on buying Twitter. Turns out that’s not the case. Is it not? No. What’s he buying?
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What he’s actually done is he’s spent 44 billion dollars promoting another service,
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which many people won’t have heard of before, called Mastodon. Yes. Twitter, yes, exactly.
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You know who Joshua Topolski is, right? Josh Topolski, whatever he calls himself?
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He’s the guy that started The Verge way back in the day.
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Oh, okay, sure.
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He’s not the guy that runs it now, but he started it, and he said, he claims,
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and he has screenshot evidence of his claim, that links to Mastodon are getting flagged as
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sensitive material on Twitter now. I’m talking about general links to Mastodon,
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not links to specific sensitive content on Mastodon.
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Oh, I believe that. I believe that.
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Yeah, but-
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They’re just not even trying to pretend not to abuse their position anymore.
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I mean, the Twitter files thing should have told everybody.
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They basically just handed over all private internal communication to a couple journalists.
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Which seems insane to me, but whatever.
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So I don’t use Twitter anymore.
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I don’t have Twitter on any of my devices.
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I don’t go there anymore.
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I’ve made my Twitter accounts private.
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And if you try to tweet it, friends with brews on Twitter, I won’t reply.
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Cause I won’t be looking.
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So use the link for the friends with brews account on Mastodon and go there and I will respond.
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Interesting.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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I just can’t stomach it anymore because it really has gotten worse.
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And I really feel like it’s just becoming a raging far right love fest with Elon Musk.
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and every time he says something incredibly stupid, all his fanboys pile on.
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And anybody who says anything halfway reasonable just gets dog piled.
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You see, this is something, this is a little bit of a mystery for me because I assumed
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that a number of his fanboys, I mean, if they’re fanboys first, then okay, I get it.
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I assumed that a bunch of his fanboys were eco-friendly, eco-warrior, tree-huggers, left-leaning
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liberals.
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You would think so.
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But you know what’s funny is I don’t think Elon Musk ever really was.
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I don’t think that’s why he got into the electric car business because right now Twitter is
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pushing a lot of anti-climate change conspiracy theories.
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This is depressing.
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It is.
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It’s worse.
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So a friend, a good friend, my running buddy a couple of weeks ago sent me a picture of
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himself on his commute into the office.
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He works down at MIT.
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He sends a picture of himself.
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He’s wearing a beanie and it says SpaceX.
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Oh no.
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And he says, “This used to be my favorite hat. Now I’m not so sure.”
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And I sent him a picture of my Tesla and I said, “This used to be my favorite car.
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And now I’m not so sure.”
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Yeah, his beanie’s a little more easily replaced than your car.
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I bought him a replacement beanie for Christmas. So yes, I already replaced his beanie for him.
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He has not yet reciprocated by giving me a, you know, like a Kia EV6 or anything.
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But I’m hopeful. I’m still hopeful.
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I mean, red isn’t my favorite color in the world, but there’s no way I would ever wear any kind of red hat now.
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At all. Ever.
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I do have a red sweatshirt, an upgrade sweatshirt that I bought a few years ago, and I still wear it, but…
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Red doesn’t do good things to me anymore.
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It’s similar to that. It’d be like if I had a red beaniea red cap, a red baseball cap of some kind.
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Like, if I was a Cardinals fan or something, or, you know, whatever, Phillies or something.
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And then I’d be like, “I don’t care. I know that it’s got a different logo on it, but I don’t care.
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I can’t wear this stupid red hat anymore.”
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That’s… it’s really sad. But understandable.
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Not really, because it’s one ofit’s not the greatest color.
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That’s what’s funny, is like, it just goes back to Trump’s inherent bad taste.
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[inhales]
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[exhales]
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That’s what he picked. That’s what he picked to be associated with. But whatever.
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I like it. I like it.
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Anyway.
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Oh, man.
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So I heard you talking with Adam today, not talking today, but I heard it today because it
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came out today on blurring the lines and you were saying that so far your nose situation is going
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well. Yes, yes it is. You can blow your nose now? I can blow my nose with wild abandon and so far
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no repercussions. Good. So yes, yes I’m very happy. I felt for a little bit, it was about
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two days ago I blew my nose a little bit and I had a little bit I smell I thought
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for sure I smelled blood oh no and I thought that I had reinjured you know
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reopened the wound and didn’t happen I was hallucinating I was just being
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paranoid so that was kind of cool well if you’re gonna hallucinate I can think
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of we should come up with a list of other things because there’s better
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things than blood bloody noses to hallucinate about gross gross oh brother anyway what else
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we got that’s pretty much it for me all right no that’s good because we’re getting close to time
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you’ve got but you’ve got something else to do i did yeah i do i did give you guys some feedback
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though on your uh podcast because adam was talking about making bread and you suggested beer bread
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I did. And I have to say that not only does beer bread help with the dough rising process,
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it’s just really freaking good. Yeah. Makes me wonder, I have this like 14% alcohol, chocolate,
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raspberry beer, and I can’t drink it. Okay, the point isn’t for the bread to make you drunk,
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Peter. Well, the thing is, I can’t, well, all the alcohol would bake out, but I can’t drink it,
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though because it’s a it’s a pint and I try drinking one of these like almost a year ago
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when I got it and I was like I could only get a third of the way through I’m like I
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literally cannot finish this it’s too sweet it’s too strong it’s too syrupy but I’m wondering
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if I was to put that into a loaf of pumpernickel raspberry chocolate pumpernickel bread just
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let that I’m just gonna leave that’s on that note I’m just gonna leave it right on that
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Just see what happens. You’re gonna push the big red beer bread? Big red beer button. Yeah, big red beer button.