Episode 21 – These are not Google Drive’s Toasted Nuts
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i can’t find it. why don’t i have Friends with Brews? i think i deleted the wrong one.
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I haveoh here it is. Friends with Brews! Best opening ever. Best opening ever of a best week opening ever.
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What a week. Whew. Well you had the best opening ever. I saw the best finale ever to the World Cup just now.
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Holy moly. Yeah I think a lot of people did including I saw people posting on Mastodon.
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Yeah, you know what? I almost said I saw people posting on Mastodon that they don’t like soccer
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It is boring and yet they thought that was the most exciting thing they’ve ever seen. Yeah, it was an amazing
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Minus the I don’t like soccer part. I do like soccer. I did enjoy one woman’s comment though on Mastodon
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She said if I want to see men who can’t score. I’ll just go read the comments on Twitter
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Funny funny. Okay. Okay. Hey speaking of Mastodon
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Real quick. I don’t think this is gonna be a Mastodon episode. No, but what is your preferred?
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Desktop Mastodon client the website. They’re all I was wondering mammoth has
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mammoth has
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Mammoths. Oh my god, Scott mammoth. Yeah, definitely mammoth time for mammoth Wapner
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Okay, let me start all over. It’s been a week. And as you know, I was just waking up. We just headed to podcast
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Okay, which is great you wake up on the wrong side of the bed you’re exhausted you’re pissy you’re angry at everything
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Let’s record. I’m actually not this time
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I was angry last week for reasons that you know why because I was really physically out of sorts
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Uh-huh
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No, actually I was gonna say that’s the one thing it’s been a week and I do feel utterly exhausted
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But the one nice thing about being physically trained is my body still feels good. Like I still feel good
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Mm-hmm, so I saw I’m in a good mood because that now what were you gonna talk about?
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What was I gonna come in on? What was I trying to say?
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Oh mammoth mammoth may not specifically be written to run on the Mac
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But it runs on the Mac and I don’t know if that’s just because it gets the iPad it runs on the Apple silicon Mac
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And I don’t know if that’s just because it’s running the straight iPad version or if he actually is tweaking it for a Mac version
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I can’t remember. It’s in test flight. I think it probably
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Let me open test flight mammoth
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It doesn’t say? So I’m guessing that he just said run it on all platforms, but he’s probably
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not doing anything to make it specifically Mac-like. So anyway, the reason I don’t use
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Mammoth on the Mac is because every time I try to post something it just crashes. It just disappears.
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That’s a good reason to not use it on the Mac.
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Yeah, on the other hand, it keeps you from saying things you’ll regret later.
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Well, that’s also a good reason.
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So I use the website and then of course on iPad and iPhone I use the ivory
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Test flight beta right and I’m using that as well. I haven’t done much with it
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I’ve only posted like two things I noticed but you know, that’s okay. I’m okay with that. I’m trying to get you involved more
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I’m I am okay not being wedded to another social media site with me the balance like
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if I am watching
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security folks and I want like the latest news and stuff, then that’s one thing. But
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I don’t need like, okay, Twitter’s gone. I haven’t been like actively looking at Twitter
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in years. I get that. Well, I know that. Anyway. Yeah. So, so I’m not looking for something
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to look at, but, but I like the things that you curate for me, Scott. You might as well
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enjoy it in the good days. This is as good as Mastodon’s ever going to get in terms of
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Lack of a**holes.
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Probably.
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And on the same token, we now have the owner of Twitter over there banning journalists
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and links to Mastodon.
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Did you see that part?
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I totally missed that a couple days ago.
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Yeah, he’s not naive and well-meaning.
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He’s naive and very ill-intentioned.
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Oh, let’s talk about our brews before we get any further.
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Yeah, let’s.
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Why don’t you go first?
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Because I got to pick up the name again.
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Today’s a coffee day.
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It is a coffee day.
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Coffee day for me as well.
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Okay, I’m having a Water Avenue, which is brewed in Portland, where I live.
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Water Avenue, my goal in life by the way, Peter, is to make everyone think that that’s
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actually how you say Portland, and have everyone say “Portland” so that I can tell that they’re
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a listener to this podcast.
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Portlandia.
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Water Avenue, coffee company, Wonderland.
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Perfect for Portland.
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It’s a cozy blend for misty mornings, and I gotta say it was a little misty earlier.
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It’s a medium roast, wonderfully balanced with festive tasting notes of, get ready for
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this, baking spice, brown sugar, and toasted nuts.
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Huh.
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These are not your father’s toasted nuts, by the way.
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I couldn’t have read it better myself.
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Oh my god.
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These are not your father’s toasted nuts.
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You didn’t make that up, did you?
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No, I did, actually.
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That part I made up.
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Oh, you did?
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I did make up the part about these are not your father’s toasted nuts.
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Okay. Okay.
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Seemed like it. I just am offering it up to them.
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If they’re listening by chance,
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I want them to know that not only do we want sponsorship,
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they can have that slogan for free.
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Awesome. Well,
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I am drinking a cup of Wegmans Dark Horizon
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coffee.
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That is a dark horizon. Is it an event horizon?
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It’s bold with, uh, with notes of dark chocolate.
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It is a medium dark roast.
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Now you know, normally I go all in on the dark stuff, but I say dark horizon, it’s distant
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horizon.
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Did I say distant?
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It’s distant, distant horizon.
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Distant event horizon.
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There’s no event in it.
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It’s distant horizon.
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And I like it a lot.
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The first time I’ve had it was this morning, and I am on my third cup and I have not put
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anything in it.
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Didn’t put any cream, which I normally do.
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I suspect it probably would taste even better with cream, but I wanted to just taste it
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straight up and it’s really nice.
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From the website, bold with notes of dark chocolate,
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blend of beans from Colombia, Brazil,
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Ethiopia, and Nicaragua.
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From crop to cup, sourced and roasted with care,
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our supplier partner has direct relationships
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and responsibly sourced coffee from around the world.
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Our food you feel good about, Yellow Banner,
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with no artificial colors, flavors, or preservatives.
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Yes, these are not your father’s toasted nuts.
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It says nothing about your father’s toasted nuts.
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Okay.
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Oh my god.
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I’m so glad that I grew up and became an adult.
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I am actually happy to report that my father is safe and sound.
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So Vermont got a huge load of snow.
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Giant blizzard.
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Oh, oh, I thought this was back to the falling incident
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No, they had a load of snow like two feet my debt by my dad’s asked a snow falling incident and a couple yes
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Exactly that kind of falling and a couple of years ago
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I had persuaded him to put in a generator and I’m glad he has because for two days he had no power
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I don’t even know if he has any power now because he told me he was gonna snow blow and get out to the propane
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Generator to see or to the propane tank to check the fuel level
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But he’s basically been running on generator power for the last two days now and it’s great when I heard Adam
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saying on blurring the lines that
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His daughter’s boyfriend I think was questioning him about why you would want
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Backup stores of food like extra food supply on hand. Uh-huh. I thought to myself, you know, we do have some stuff
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Stored away, but we’re not as good as we could be. Mm-hmm
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I’ll freely admit that but to wonder why it’s a good idea. Ah
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Hello, I have an ex-girlfriend and this was right when covid was getting started and I was stocking up on
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dried foods rice beans
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Oatmeal right coffee and then other stuff that was just last forever
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peanut butter speaking of toasted nuts
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Cans of tuna canned vegetables and she was like, why would you why would you get canned vegetables?
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We can get fresh and I was like, you don’t
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Get it. Do you this isn’t about the quality of the eating experience?
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Exactly. This was like, you know
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I want to make sure I have something to eat and I’m gonna worry about how tasty and healthy it is later right now
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Honestly, I’m looking for calories
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Let me live first. Let me stay alive for a little while and then I’ll worry about the fine dining experience
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Uh-huh
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Exactly. Was that the end? Was that the day you broke up there? It came shortly after actually
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It wasn’t that wasn’t the day but it was it was it was it was it was that day adjacent
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Anyway, so so you we both I think we have two thumbs up for our coffees. Is that safe to say?
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Yeah, I think so. I think every time I have a coffee that I haven’t tried before,
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there’s a little experimentation before I get the brewing of it exactly right.
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And to be honest, I’m very non-scientific. I’m scientific about my baseline brew.
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But I’m very non-scientific about what changes I make, and I can’t even tell you what they are.
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I just kind of go by feel, and then it turns out better, and I’m like,
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”Hey, this coffee’s better than I thought because I brewed it right this time.”
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So I think so. Right now, this one’s a tiny bit bitterer than I would like,
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but my assumption is that I just need a few less… I need less grams of beans for this one compared
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to other ones maybe, and I think it would be really good. I think if I just dropped a couple
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grams of beans off the list and maybe… yeah, probably that was the biggest thing. Cool,
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all right. I don’t change a whole lot else. So, it is Sunday, but I do have things going on today,
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so let’s stay on track. I’m not bailing on you, but I am trying to keep us focused. So,
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So what else is next? Talk to me about the Google Drive user interface.
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Yeah, I think I lost a follower on Mastodon because I was saying that Google has never
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been able to design a UI to save their lives because I think they just fundamentally don’t
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understand human beings, which I think is a fair assessment.
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Have you used Microsoft OneDrive or SharePoint? Yeah.
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Have you used SharePoint? Yeah, I’ve used SharePoint. I hate SharePoint.
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Okay. I mean, I not just calm yourself. I can see your blood pressure.
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So I can see your pulse already pulsing through your ATP cat. Just calm down,
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calm down, calm down. No, in all seriousness, what I’m saying is I agree with you.
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Google drives, UI is a little bit crap,
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but then I compare it to one of those times when I have to use SharePoint and
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I’m like, Oh my God, this is so much worse.
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But at least with SharePoint, if you say add a document, it says, Oh,
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we’re in a certain folder.
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Maybe I should add that document here and it adds it there.
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Google Drive, you make a copy of an existing document
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that’s in the friends with beer folder.
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Which is the folder that I share with you?
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So that you can see it.
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Yeah.
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Now, if I just make a copy of our template
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and I start making show notes for today,
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do you think Peter Nikolaidis is going to be able to see it?
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No, because it doesn’t put it in the same drive.
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It doesn’t put it in the friends with beer folder.
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it puts it up in my personal drive in the root directory so that Peter cannot see it,
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because that seems like the most logical reason I’d want to copy a file is to move it the hell away,
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not to change it slightly. It makes perfect sense. Why, Peter? They’re the only one that do that,
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as far as I know. Yeah, I cannot tell you why that would happen. And then at least when you go to
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SharePoint as slow and abominable and horrible as it is, it presents you with the stuff that
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the people want to be in each view. You get there, there’s some links, there’s some folders,
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blah blah blah, you go into the folders, the stuff is there, nothing moves around. You
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go to drive.google.com and it says, “I’m going to show them a dashboard of the amazing things
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that they don’t know exists.” Yeah, not only do I not know they exist, I don’t want to
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know they exist. I’m looking for my folder. I don’t care about all that other stuff that
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somebody shared with me five billion years ago. I don’t care about the wallpaper that some idiot
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put in Google Drive instead of posting on a website. I don’t want it. I want my friends
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with beer folder. Show me that. How about show me the folders? They’re directly in my…
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So let me play Google’s advocate here for a second.
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Oh my god, you ass.
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one person could argue, and this is hilarious, right?
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That what they’re doing is more privacy.
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I can’t even stay with the straight face.
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By hiding your own stuff from you?
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Well, no, hiding it so that hiding it so that I don’t get,
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so you make a copy of it and I don’t see the copy by default.
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That part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you get to make your copy,
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but just in case you didn’t want to overshare.
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Okay.
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then what I need to do is test to see if that is the same way in non-shared folders
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because if it does the same thing with a non-shared folder then that is wrong.
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But that’s a point that I never thought of.
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So let me go to my drive.
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Yep, I’m going to make a new folder.
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New folder.
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I’m going to make a test.
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Testing.
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Yes, Google is very testing.
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Testing.
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Now I’m going to make a new document.
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Okay, so I go to untitled documents.
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So where does it, oh, I see what the problem is.
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The problem is that Google Drive and Google Docs
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want to be two separate things.
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Hmm.
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And so now when I say, hi, that’s the name of my document,
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saved to Drive, so now I want to go back to Drive.
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Oh, it did save it in testing.
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Okay, you know what?
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Good troubleshooting.
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You’re the software tester today, not me.
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That is exactly what Google’s doing.
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Believe me, when it comes to software, I can be testing.
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Oh, you’re very testing.
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I am testing.
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I can be trying, too.
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But see, normally I think of all the weird test cases.
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I didn’t even think about the fact
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that because it was a shared folder—
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yeah.
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OK.
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Good to know.
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You’re welcome.
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Brilliant.
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Thank you.
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Wow.
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Wait, I want you to mark this down.
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Scott Wilsey is admiring Peter Nikolaidis’ technical skills
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today.
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What?
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Yeah, OK.
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Thanks.
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I thought it was a nice thing.
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Ah.
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Okay, so we solved that mystery. That’s actually-
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Yay! You’re welcome.
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Alright, people.
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So, Peter is your, uh, consultant.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, oh, oh.
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I, uh, just-
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Last night, I forgot to tell you.
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I got a, uh, an email from, uh, our friends over at Meta
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asking if, um, I wanted to, uh, interview for their security engineering team.
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[Gasp]
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Oh my god. Are you serious?
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Mm-hmm.
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And you said, “No, you’re holding out to be on Twitter’s security team?”
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I might just do that. I might just do that. That’d be awesome. Oh, man.
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I have not responded. Anyway.
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That’s okay. That’s very minimal.
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Carry on. Yeah, carry on.
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Maybe you could get the goggles. You could be a virtual world security guy. You could
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bumble around as an avatar typing cookie.
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Type cookie, you idiot.
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[laughter]
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Oh boy.
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Okay, so you and I both use rectangle.
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And I believe that you have paid for it by now? Or not?
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I have to check. I meant to.
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It’s a separate download.
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I know, I know. Let me just check.
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About… I was gonna say, if you haven’t downloaded something separate…
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I have not yet purchased the Pro.
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Nope, I’m still running just plain old rectangle.
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I did at one point get as far as going to the website, and then…
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I got distracted somehow.
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somehow. I’m also drinking a Gatorade Zero which I’m not going to put in the
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show notes or in the brews sections. Not technically a brew so… It’s a chemical
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disguised as a sports drink. Okay well what I wanted to talk about with
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rectangle is it definitely solves some problems that I feel like Apple should
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have solved themselves. Okay. Basic window management that you know Apple should
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have thought of. Stage manager is not the answer and I know that some people like
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it, happy for you. So very, very happy for you. Not sharing that opinion. And I have
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reasons why, but we’re not here to talk about Stage Manager. If anyone feeds back at us
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and says, “Oh my God, Stage Manager, amazing, lolz. I have reasons why no person with an
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orderly mind would use Stage Manager.” But, see how I’m not talking about Stage Manager?
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Let’s talk about rectangle. So what’s your use case? What are the shortcuts that you
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the most? What do you find the most useful about it that Mac OS doesn’t have
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built in natively?
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Admittedly, I don’t spend as much time moving back and forth
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between a Windows computer keyboard and a Mac keyboard anymore. That said, I don’t
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like when I become overly reliant on keyboard shortcuts that I can’t port
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back and forth. Now my brain and thumbs have been trained so that I can use control whatever when
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I’m sitting on a Windows keyboard and command whatever when I’m sitting at a Mac. That much I
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can do easily. I still sometimes strip on that. But remembering like control option shift caret,
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you know, whatever. Those are like, I’m never going to. So what I do is I have largely a default
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rectangular rectangular rectangle configuration and I use it with the hot zones I guess they’re
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called when you move like the the window so if I want to take the current window I’m in
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where it leaps to a certain position yeah so like I’ll take this facetime window I’m looking at you
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in right now and drag it to the top of my screen and it doesn’t almost maximize right a zoom to
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like full screen yeah yeah yeah and then I’ll take it and bring it to the right edge the right or
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rightmost edge and let it go there. Now you take up the right half of my screen. And if I take it
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down to the bottom center of my window and let it go there, it takes up the middle third of the
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screen. So those are the features that I’m using mostly. I haven’t, I guess you can do like custom
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layouts where you can put like this window in this special area and stuff, which I just haven’t gotten
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around to yet. I do that in Windows when I use PowerToys. They have, I think it’s called
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Zones, desktop zones, and I like that because like when I’m gaming for instance, I have a zone like
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the gaming window will be here, my Discord window will be here, and a preview window with the rule
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book will be here and just like snaps them all right in the perfect place and I like that.
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Yeah.
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Haven’t gotten around to that with rectangle yet.
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So I do have some, I do have a couple layouts saved.
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The one thing is it requires me to have the programs already open,
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but if I have those programs open and I hit that key shortcut, they will go to their places.
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Now, the one thing about macOS that it is fairly good at is
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those apps already remember their places, so I don’t actually have to trigger that shortcut.
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Right. Yep. So overall, I like it. I definitely will, you know, it’s worth the $9.
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Like I had mentioned this either on a previous episode of this episode of this show or was it Blurring the Lines?
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I don’t remember but I had mentioned that I purchased Moom from Many Tricks
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Which I had heard about from John Chidgey over at the Engineered Network
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Right, and then I purchased it which I had heard about from Peter Nikolaidis at the Blurring with Lines and Friends with Brews podcast
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But Rectangle seemed to work better for me and it was easier for me to get started and more intuitive
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So yeah, it’s stuck in my brain. Yeah, it’s absolutely worth, you know, the $9 or whatever to buy the pro
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I should I’m just gonna do that on the podcast today, you know, that’s what I’m gonna do
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I think gentlemen Peter Nikolaidis is going to recite his credit card number into the microphone
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Wouldn’t go that far but what I will say I do have one complaint about it. Somebody’s having a case of the Mondays
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Where and it’s only Tuesday. I mean, it’s only Sunday. I mean, whatever Wow, don’t rush my days off away
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What I will say is one problem I have is with so I use virtual desktops and
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it will and I also use my
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iPad as a secondary display. Oh, oh, I’ve never tried that. Is that continuity? What is that called?
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I think I don’t remember if that’s continuity. It’s not universal control
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Universally control is when you’re controlling it but not using it as an extended display
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So I just use that as an extended to so it’s not universe but is it universal desktop?
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I don’t even remember doesn’t matter. So it’s literally just functioning as a display at just a display, correct?
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You can do either way. You’re not sliding over to it using iPad apps. It’s displaying whatever’s on your Mac, correct?
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It’s strictly just a display. That’s all you’re using it for. I think that’s continuity display. That might be however
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There’s a problem with that is if I have virtual desktops
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Let’s just imagine I’m on my main desktop on my Mac. That’s in the center
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I have a virtual desktop to the right,
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and I have my iPad to the left, okay?
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So from left to right, I have iPad,
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main display, virtual display.
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If I drag a window to the far right window, boom,
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rectangle snaps it to take up the right half of the screen.
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No, I take that back.
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I take that back.
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If I drag it to the far left where the iPad is,
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Rectangle will snap it to the left half of the screen if I drag it to the right side car it it
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Drags to the virtual display off to the right
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I move the application from the main display to the side to the secondary just virtual display
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Yeah, and I can’t drag it back
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I have to invoke the the desktop
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You know virtual desktops thing at the top with like three fingers swipe up on my trackpad
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And then I have to drag it back to desktop one
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Haven’t gotten around to figure out if that’s a configuration problem if that’s a bug or whatnot. That’s my one complaint about
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Rectangle other than that. It’s it’s really cool and easily worth a few bucks
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speaking of trackpad since he brought it up, I will say so I have a
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What are you I have a Logitech M7 something Pro. I don’t know. It’s a decent mouse
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Mm-hmm, and I like the mouse for the most part
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But I also have a trackpad a magic trackpad sitting here on my left hand side of my keyboard and it’s only there for
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for those type of gestures that you’re talking about okay, and
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Because they’re kind of magic if you remember them, they’re amazing
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Yeah, a lot of people don’t like spaces where you maximize
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You know you maximize a window really maximize not just maximize so that you can still see the menu bar and the and the dock
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But it takes over the entire screen and it goes to its own separate place and you have to go sideways to get there
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That’s spaces, right?
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The nice thing about spaces is if you use three fingers
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You can swipe side to side between your apps and it is so much faster than command tabbing and finding the app in the command tab
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List absolutely. Yeah, it’s left swipe right swipe. It’s great
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Yes
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And I get that people I get that the downside of it is if you have a bunch of them in
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spaces, if you have a bunch of spaces, each with their own app, you may be swiping for
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a while before you find the one you want.
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I do agree that that could be better.
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But if I just have a couple things, like VS Code is in there, Mail is in there, then I’ve
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got like two, then I’ve only got to swipe four times max or three times max for that
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scenario and it’s great.
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It’s just super great.
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And because I have the MacBook Pro now, when I’m using it as a laptop, it’s ready.
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When I’m at my desk I’ve got the trackpad here, it’s ready.
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I agree with you that for me Rectangle Pro makes the Mac, makes my Mac use and my Windows
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use very functionally equivalent.
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The keystrokes are different, but that’s fine, they’re very simple.
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And I keep forgetting about the zones that you’re talking about where you pull the window
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and then it snaps, it does its thing.
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I use the keyboard shortcuts for the stuff that I do the most often.
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And the things that I do the most often are maximize this window, make this window take
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up the top quarter of the screen, make this window take up the left half of the screen,
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make this window take up the right half of the screen. Those are the things I do the
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most. And that very much mirrors my Windows use where I want this window to hop over to
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this monitor. I want this window on this monitor. I want this window to take up the full screen.
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I want this window to not take up the full screen. So very, very similar. And those things
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are built into Windows. If I wanted to do what you do and have my layouts and my zones,
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that would require the Pro Tools.
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What are they called?
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The Pro, what are they called?
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The tools?
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Microsoft Powertoys.
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Powertoys.
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Powertoys.
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Yeah, and I actually installed Powertoys at one point
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because I didn’t know some of the built-in
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windowing shortcuts in Windows.
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And then I was showing Mark, a guy I work with,
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and he’s like, “Oh, but what about the Windows shift
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arrow key or the Windows arrow key or the Windows shift
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arrow if you want to go a different monitor?”
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I tried it and I’m like,
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Okay, I’m uninstalling power toys.
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So I just installed
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Rectangle Pro while you were talking and I
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disabled old rectangle on pro rectangle amateur
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Yeah, I am now looking at looks like I had pretty much the default configuration
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So that’s good because I don’t need to relearn any shortcuts or anything like that. So that’s pretty good. So yeah, that’s pretty cool
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Here’s a here’s a power tip about rectangle. That is nice
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So if you if you look at the menu bar thing and you click on it
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You’re looking at all those different options. You’ll notice that next display and previous display are there but they don’t have keyboard shortcuts
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Now I’m sure that you can assign keyboard shortcuts, but here’s another trick
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let’s say you’re like me and you’ve got an Apple Studio display and then your laptop displays off to the left and
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Messages let’s say opens up on your studio display
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But you really want it off on the MacBook Pro display because you’re not gonna look at it that often
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and you want it visible but out of your way. You don’t have to use that. What you
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can do is say, “Hey, I want this to use the left half,” and you just keep hitting the
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left half keyboard shortcut until it moves its way over to the left half on
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the second monitor. It’ll go to the second monitor. It won’t just keep trying
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to do it on the first monitor. On the second attempt it’ll go, “Hey, he must
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want this on the second monitor.” And it’s kind of weird because it’ll go from the
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left half on the first monitor to the right half on the second monitor, then to
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right half, then to the left half on the second monitor. But it works really nice. So it’s like
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basically hitting it twice instead of once or whatever. Okay, fair enough. Let’s talk a little
00:27:19.240 —> 00:27:25.720
more about a couple more things on similar veins to what we’re talking about. Okay. In addition to
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Moom, which I did not buy, about three years ago, I did buy Witch, W-I-T-C-H, also from ManyTricks,
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the same author. And it’s essentially a better task manager, like an alt or a command tab replacement.
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Oh okay, let’s hear about that.
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Well, I contacted the developer and I was complaining because recently I’ve not been
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able to use Witch because it just times out. Like I’ll hit command tab, it takes a beat or 10 for it
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to show up and then I see all of the apps and then it just scrolls through all of them and
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slams up against the last one in the task list and then I let go of I can’t move like I can’t command
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shift or move back around so essentially anytime I hit command tab it will always go to the last
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program running and so he asked me like what programs are you running and do you have a lot
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of windows open so I took a screenshot of everything and I was like yep well here’s a
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simple list of, you know, like all this stuff. And the response was to the tune of, yeah, you’re using
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a lot of apps that use a lot of resources. So we can’t really handle that. I’ll fix that in version
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five, but that’s down the road. But he did get this three years later, he offered to refund my purchase.
00:28:46.280 —> 00:28:48.360
After three years of trying to solve your problem?
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Well, I only reported it this week.
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And after three years of trying to learn Swift UI? Oh, okay. Nevermind. Sorry.
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So…
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Rob, if you’re listening, Scott’s the one being a jerk to you, not me.
00:29:04.120 —> 00:29:05.160
I’m not being a jerk to you.
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I’m just asking questions.
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I did not take him up on the offer.
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I wrote him back and I said, “No, I’ve gotten value for your program.”
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It was like nine bucks again or something.
00:29:12.680 —> 00:29:14.200
I was like, “No, I got value from it.”
00:29:14.200 —> 00:29:15.200
Oh, for sure.
00:29:15.200 —> 00:29:18.240
And not only that, you bothered him for at least $9 worth of support.
00:29:18.240 —> 00:29:19.240
Absolutely.
00:29:19.240 —> 00:29:20.240
You know?
00:29:20.240 —> 00:29:27.280
said there’s another program that I used also called share mouse. Never share your mouse with
00:29:27.280 —> 00:29:33.760
another person. Never share your mouse, but I do share it with another computer. Now I had for a
00:29:33.760 —> 00:29:40.800
long time would have multiple desktops or laptops on my desktop, my physical desktop. And I was using
00:29:40.800 —> 00:29:46.800
a program called synergy back in the day. This is like more than 10 years ago. And then synergy was,
00:29:46.800 —> 00:29:51.200
it was an open source product, it was free, blah, blah, blah. It was great. And then the author
00:29:51.200 —> 00:29:55.280
wanted to, you know, like take a commercial and I guess there’s still a free version,
00:29:55.280 —> 00:30:01.120
but there’s a commercial version. I just didn’t like the direction in which he was taking it. And
00:30:01.120 —> 00:30:06.720
the communications coming out of him were just like, eh, I don’t like that. So I ended up moving
00:30:06.720 —> 00:30:14.000
to, um, share mouse, which unlike synergy, I think synergy was Mac Linux and windows. And I believe
00:30:14.000 —> 00:30:16.460
I believe ShareMouse is just Mac and Windows,
00:30:16.460 —> 00:30:19.060
but I don’t have a Linux desktop anymore, so it was fine.
00:30:19.060 —> 00:30:20.440
And I was able to pay for support,
00:30:20.440 —> 00:30:22.700
and it generally worked pretty well.
00:30:22.700 —> 00:30:25.540
But I’ve recently found out that Barrier
00:30:25.540 —> 00:30:30.300
is apparently a Synergy fork, and it is free open source.
00:30:30.300 —> 00:30:34.500
So my ShareMouse paid subscription is about to end up,
00:30:34.500 —> 00:30:37.180
it’s about to expire sometime, I think,
00:30:37.180 —> 00:30:38.820
around Christmas or something.
00:30:38.820 —> 00:30:42.620
And I’m planning on pivoting over to Barrier at that time.
00:30:42.620 —> 00:30:46.260
I’ll be testing it between a Windows PC and a Mac.
00:30:46.260 —> 00:30:48.900
So barrier instead of share mouse.
00:30:48.900 —> 00:30:49.900
Okay.
00:30:49.900 —> 00:30:50.900
Instead of Synergy.
00:30:50.900 —> 00:30:51.900
So yes.
00:30:51.900 —> 00:30:53.900
Is share mouse one word or two?
00:30:53.900 —> 00:30:54.900
Yep, one word.
00:30:54.900 —> 00:30:56.980
And I believe with like the studly caps, I believe it’s a capital M.
00:30:56.980 —> 00:30:58.820
Oh no, they’ve got a space in there.
00:30:58.820 —> 00:30:59.980
No, they don’t.
00:30:59.980 —> 00:31:05.020
Oh, the title on the website looks like, not the title, but the logo on the website looks
00:31:05.020 —> 00:31:07.580
like it, but in their copy text they say one word.
00:31:07.580 —> 00:31:08.580
Yeah.
00:31:08.580 —> 00:31:11.460
Definitely, capital S, capital M. Definitely share mouse.
00:31:11.460 —> 00:31:17.620
So overall it works pretty well, but for random, for reasons I don’t know of, like it’ll randomly
00:31:17.620 —> 00:31:21.820
lose the connection on both systems and I just have to restart it on both and then it
00:31:21.820 —> 00:31:22.960
just works again.
00:31:22.960 —> 00:31:24.100
So what’s the one you’re going to?
00:31:24.100 —> 00:31:25.100
Sorry.
00:31:25.100 —> 00:31:26.100
I’m going to try Barrier.
00:31:26.100 —> 00:31:27.100
The Barrier Reef?
00:31:27.100 —> 00:31:28.600
Uh, no Reef, just Barrier.
00:31:28.600 —> 00:31:30.420
And this is Mac utility only?
00:31:30.420 —> 00:31:32.100
Nope, this is cross-platform.
00:31:32.100 —> 00:31:33.940
I believe it’s Mac Windows Linux.
00:31:33.940 —> 00:31:37.860
Oh, this is probably this GitHub thing.
00:31:37.860 —> 00:31:39.860
Debauchy Barrier.
00:31:39.860 —> 00:31:42.220
Debauchery.
00:31:42.220 —> 00:31:43.420
So all of these are like,
00:31:43.420 —> 00:31:47.300
Sharemouse was like $69 for three years,
00:31:47.300 —> 00:31:48.380
I want to say or something.
00:31:48.380 —> 00:31:50.420
But the other things, you know, Rectangle,
00:31:50.420 —> 00:31:53.180
Moom, Witch, Barrier, they’re all like, or even Barrier,
00:31:53.180 —> 00:31:55.220
I don’t think Barrier has a commercial offering.
00:31:55.220 —> 00:31:56.360
You know, we’re talking like 10 bucks.
00:31:56.360 —> 00:31:57.380
What do you mean for three?
00:31:57.380 —> 00:32:00.780
Sharemouse did like three year subscription.
00:32:00.780 —> 00:32:04.620
Oh, that’s a weird, that’s a weird deal, dude.
00:32:04.620 —> 00:32:05.780
Yeah, it’s a business thing though.
00:32:05.780 —> 00:32:07.620
I mean, they give me a discount.
00:32:07.620 —> 00:32:10.380
I understand the whole subscription thing,
00:32:10.380 —> 00:32:13.420
but what I mean is to do a three year,
00:32:13.420 —> 00:32:15.120
okay, I get it, I get what they’re doing.
00:32:15.120 —> 00:32:17.420
It’s just an unusual proposition.
00:32:17.420 —> 00:32:20.120
Usually they give you a year and if you pay for the year,
00:32:20.120 —> 00:32:22.680
you get a slight discount or maybe not,
00:32:22.680 —> 00:32:25.000
but you pay for a year at a time or you can pay monthly,
00:32:25.000 —> 00:32:26.420
but three year, that’s bold.
00:32:26.420 —> 00:32:30.000
You can do, I’m pretty sure you could do a year at a time.
00:32:30.000 —> 00:32:32.060
I think I bought three because I was like, you know,
00:32:32.060 —> 00:32:33.200
I’ll just get a discount.
00:32:33.200 —> 00:32:34.320
Oh, okay, gotcha.
00:32:34.320 —> 00:32:38.340
So anyway, and ShareMouse does have a free version.
00:32:38.340 —> 00:32:40.080
But yeah, right now, ShareMouse Pro,
00:32:40.080 —> 00:32:42.580
one year of maintenance is 120 bucks.
00:32:42.580 —> 00:32:43.660
Uh-huh.
00:32:43.660 —> 00:32:45.340
I’m not gonna pay that.
00:32:45.340 —> 00:32:46.420
I wouldn’t think not.
00:32:46.420 —> 00:32:50.420
Unless I have such a bad experience with Barrier.
00:32:50.420 —> 00:32:51.780
Yeah, it looks, yeah.
00:32:51.780 —> 00:32:55.700
If I renew it, however, let me find out here.
00:32:55.700 —> 00:32:57.120
I’m curious what they’re looking to buy.
00:32:57.120 —> 00:32:59.620
Register license.
00:32:59.620 —> 00:33:02.540
Copy your license key.
00:33:02.540 —> 00:33:04.780
Yes, Peter, copy your license key.
00:33:04.780 —> 00:33:06.260
Is this 21?
00:33:06.260 —> 00:33:07.380
Or is this 22?
00:33:07.380 —> 00:33:08.780
’Cause I have one that we’re editing
00:33:08.780 —> 00:33:10.460
that I haven’t published yet.
00:33:10.460 —> 00:33:12.620
I thought this was 21.
00:33:12.620 —> 00:33:13.540
Yes, you’re right.
00:33:13.540 —> 00:33:15.180
20 is the one I’m editing.
00:33:15.180 —> 00:33:16.200
Jeez.
00:33:16.200 —> 00:33:17.820
Yeah, I just, I lose track.
00:33:17.820 —> 00:33:18.700
Tell you, it’s been a week.
00:33:18.700 —> 00:33:20.660
Like I said, I worked an extra 12.
00:33:20.660 —> 00:33:21.500
I tell ya, man.
00:33:21.500 —> 00:33:22.500
That I didn’t expect to.
00:33:22.500 —> 00:33:25.860
And I still did my workouts.
00:33:25.860 —> 00:33:27.140
I pulled an all-nighter,
00:33:27.140 —> 00:33:28.560
then I worked eight more hours that day,
00:33:28.560 —> 00:33:30.620
then I still did two hours of workouts that night.
00:33:30.620 —> 00:33:31.460
Come on.
00:33:31.460 —> 00:33:32.280
Wow.
00:33:32.280 —> 00:33:39.780
Wow. I don’t make excuses and say I’m not going to work out. Now, yesterday was a day off, but that’s because I was way overdue for a day off.
00:33:39.780 —> 00:33:46.280
Of fitness, not of work. I did work yesterday. For a lot longer than I expected to, by the way.
00:33:46.280 —> 00:33:57.280
Alright. Well, hey. I’ve been taking it easy and blatantly not doing nearly as much exercise because I’ve messed up my knee again and I want the damn thing to get better.
00:33:57.280 —> 00:34:02.280
Right. I scared myself. A couple days ago, all of a sudden I had a pain right under my knee.
00:34:02.280 —> 00:34:06.280
And it felt weird. And now it’s completely gone.
00:34:06.280 —> 00:34:13.280
I could still run, but when I was walking around I would feel it. It scared me. I thought, “Oh no, I haven’t had knee problems in forever.”
00:34:13.280 —> 00:34:16.280
But then it went away. And I think, you know what I think it was from, literally?
00:34:16.280 —> 00:34:22.280
I was doing a treadmill run, and I was tired, and I was bored, and I was running at a decent pace,
00:34:22.280 —> 00:34:25.560
and I just started going side to side like a loose skater or something.
00:34:25.560 —> 00:34:28.760
I was just kind of running side to side on the treadmill. Just don’t know why.
00:34:28.760 —> 00:34:32.200
I was listening to some music to get me motivated and I was kind of getting into it.
00:34:32.200 —> 00:34:36.680
So I was darting side to side. And I think that lateral action on my knee is probably what did it.
00:34:36.680 —> 00:34:39.720
It started like a day and a half after that and then now it’s gone.
00:34:39.720 —> 00:34:44.280
So you know something I don’t really care for that much?
00:34:44.280 —> 00:34:45.480
Treadmills?
00:34:45.480 —> 00:34:46.760
GitHub.
00:34:46.760 —> 00:34:47.960
Oh.
00:34:47.960 —> 00:34:51.000
Like when I land on a GitHub project page.
00:34:51.560 —> 00:34:52.060
Yep.
00:34:52.060 —> 00:34:57.460
I have no freaking clue how to download the program.
00:34:57.460 —> 00:35:00.300
Okay, I used to be that way, but what they assume is—
00:35:00.300 —> 00:35:00.960
Help me.
00:35:00.960 —> 00:35:02.800
Let’s click on the Barrier Link, for example.
00:35:02.800 —> 00:35:05.000
That’s exactly where I went. Where do I go?
00:35:05.000 —> 00:35:06.960
You’re on a desktop browser, right?
00:35:06.960 —> 00:35:07.460
Yep.
00:35:07.460 —> 00:35:10.600
So here’s why they make this more confusing.
00:35:10.600 —> 00:35:14.260
And I didn’t figure this out until I learned how to use Git.
00:35:14.260 —> 00:35:15.060
Got it.
00:35:15.060 —> 00:35:17.060
Once I start using Git, that problem goes away,
00:35:17.060 —> 00:35:18.400
because you’re just gonna clone the thing,
00:35:18.400 —> 00:35:23.240
and you’re gonna do it from a command line probably, or a Git client.
00:35:23.240 —> 00:35:27.800
Right, but if you are producing software…
00:35:27.800 —> 00:35:34.480
I guess, okay, if the intention is to make sure that end users never see your code on
00:35:34.480 —> 00:35:37.320
your program, then Git is awesome.
00:35:37.320 —> 00:35:38.560
But if you just want to download…
00:35:38.560 —> 00:35:39.560
Never see your code.
00:35:39.560 —> 00:35:43.480
Yeah, I want to download an executable and install it on two of my machines.
00:35:43.480 —> 00:35:46.240
Oh, Git Hub’s horrible for that.
00:35:46.240 —> 00:35:47.240
That’s what I’m talking about.
00:35:47.240 —> 00:35:51.680
Like right now, today, I don’t want-look, I can’t compile anything on my Windows machine.
00:35:51.680 —> 00:35:52.680
I don’t have a compiler.
00:35:52.680 —> 00:35:54.760
I don’t want the code for this project.
00:35:54.760 —> 00:35:57.240
I just want to install it on my Windows machine.
00:35:57.240 —> 00:36:00.640
So for me as an end user right now, I’m like, “WTF, mate?”
00:36:00.640 —> 00:36:03.680
Okay, now just because you’re downloading it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to
00:36:03.680 —> 00:36:04.840
have to compile it.
00:36:04.840 —> 00:36:07.560
You can make a release with a binary executable in it.
00:36:07.560 —> 00:36:08.560
Right.
00:36:08.560 —> 00:36:10.800
And if I could find that easily, I’d be a much happier user.
00:36:10.800 —> 00:36:12.960
Okay, well that depends on the project.
00:36:12.960 —> 00:36:13.960
Exactly.
00:36:13.960 —> 00:36:18.160
In terms of just downloading the Git repo, you click the code button and then you have options.
00:36:18.160 —> 00:36:21.660
Do you want to clone this? Do you want to open it with GitHub desktop, which no one ever does?
00:36:21.660 —> 00:36:23.660
Or do you want to download a zip file?
00:36:23.660 —> 00:36:28.160
As far as whether or not there’s a binary available, that’s if they create a package.
00:36:28.160 —> 00:36:29.160
Exactly.
00:36:29.160 —> 00:36:34.360
Right. And this one says no package is published. So that means that you download this source.
00:36:34.360 —> 00:36:36.160
There is a dist folder here.
00:36:36.160 —> 00:36:39.660
And if I look in the dist folder, I see a Mac OS bundle.
00:36:39.660 —> 00:36:43.160
When I scroll down, I see a clean build.bat.
00:36:43.160 —> 00:36:46.800
Under bundle there’s a barrier dot app. What the heck is Wix?
00:36:46.800 —> 00:36:51.360
I don’t know, but I don’t care. But here’s where it is right here. If you go to this bundle
00:36:51.360 —> 00:36:55.820
But I do care because I also want to run this on Windows and I see a batch file
00:36:55.820 —> 00:36:57.940
I would assume it’s that Wix thing.
00:36:57.940 —> 00:37:03.280
I don’t know what the heck those things are. Barrier dot SLN. Yeah.
00:37:03.280 —> 00:37:06.980
I don’t know but that sounds like a gap in our knowledge not a gap in his process
00:37:09.300 —> 00:37:12.660
Sure, okay. Give the guy the, you know, the benefit of the doubt.
00:37:12.660 —> 00:37:17.540
This is my normal experience. When I go to a GitHub project, I feel like an idiot.
00:37:17.540 —> 00:37:19.140
Yeah, no, I get it.
00:37:19.140 —> 00:37:25.460
There’s a clean build.bat file, and it says it uses CMake.
00:37:25.460 —> 00:37:27.620
Wix is a window installer XML.
00:37:27.620 —> 00:37:29.700
Windows installer XML. Okay.
00:37:29.700 —> 00:37:34.500
Wix was the first Microsoft project to be released under an open source license.
00:37:34.500 —> 00:37:36.100
Interesting.
00:37:36.100 —> 00:37:42.660
So it sounds really old and I don’t know what you do once you download that onto your device.
00:37:42.660 —> 00:37:47.860
The Mac OS one has an app already built so you don’t have to do anything.
00:37:47.860 —> 00:37:52.900
Somebody wrote an article that said that it’s incredibly easy to install with pre-compiled
00:37:52.900 —> 00:37:54.900
binaries for Windows. Okay.
00:37:54.900 —> 00:37:59.940
And I’m like, okay, where are they? So I’m just going to put it this way. It
00:37:59.940 —> 00:38:04.660
looks to me like the Mac OS one is super easy to do. The Windows one, there’s something you
00:38:04.660 —> 00:38:09.460
have to understand and I haven’t looked to see what the Linux options are under dist. RPM.
00:38:09.460 —> 00:38:20.500
So on a page, okay so I did find a page it’s DeBarrier, oh it’s the wiki page. So you go to
00:38:20.500 —> 00:38:30.100
github.com/debocibarrierwiki and there I see packaging status. So I see a bunch of things
00:38:30.100 —> 00:38:40.420
there but here’s the funny thing I see win get I don’t see win doze and I don’t see Mac I see tons
00:38:40.420 —> 00:38:46.660
of Linux that wiki link is available it shows on everything it’s kind of up to the developer to do
00:38:46.660 —> 00:38:53.940
something with it yeah exactly so again this is like I said this is just you know he doesn’t seem
00:38:53.940 —> 00:38:59.780
to be going out of his way to make it easy for a Mac or Windows person to install this without
00:38:59.780 —> 00:39:05.140
downloading the code, etc, etc. Oh my god, you have to install… that’s because this project
00:39:05.140 —> 00:39:09.620
requires a bunch of stuff that I don’t want on my computer. You have to install Qt for Windows.
00:39:09.620 —> 00:39:15.940
I don’t want that. I hell as much don’t want that on my Mac. I would never do this.
00:39:15.940 —> 00:39:22.340
Dependency hell. Right. Now the nice thing about with Mac is you can install those dependencies
00:39:22.340 —> 00:39:28.180
with Homebrew. Right. If you want them in the first place. If you want them. I don’t want them.
00:39:28.180 —> 00:39:33.980
I don’t know why I have such a barrier against QT, but it just seems like one of those things that all the apps that want it make me mad.
00:39:33.980 —> 00:39:40.320
And so, and I don’t want QT. It’s an old, it’s an outmoded, look, I have a GUI already, let me use it!
00:39:40.320 —> 00:39:41.720
Mm-hmm.
00:39:41.720 —> 00:39:42.220
So.
00:39:42.220 —> 00:39:46.220
Ahh, so maybe I’m not gonna, I don’t know, though, 120 bucks.
00:39:46.220 —> 00:39:53.420
Oh, and that, that seems to be my renewal price too, for ShareMouse, is $120 per year.
00:39:53.420 —> 00:39:56.020
That seems high.
00:39:56.020 —> 00:39:57.720
Peter, I just want to say something.
00:39:57.720 —> 00:40:00.720
First of all, keep looking for other options.
00:40:00.720 —> 00:40:02.360
Secondly, I am looking.
00:40:02.360 —> 00:40:04.480
There is a reason this thing is called “barrier.”
00:40:04.480 —> 00:40:10.480
They throw up so many barriers to entry that it makes you furious that you even thought
00:40:10.480 —> 00:40:14.240
of using it, and it makes you furious that they even thought of you using it.
00:40:14.240 —> 00:40:15.480
Uh huh.
00:40:15.480 —> 00:40:17.160
Yeah, this is not.
00:40:17.160 —> 00:40:19.200
I wouldn’t do this one, that’s for sure.
00:40:19.200 —> 00:40:22.680
I might have to though, I don’t know man.
00:40:22.680 —> 00:40:26.400
I don’t know, I guess I have to figure how QT-averse am I.
00:40:26.400 —> 00:40:28.200
Very, it should be the correct answer.
00:40:28.200 —> 00:40:29.520
And here’s the other thing, Peter,
00:40:29.520 —> 00:40:31.840
how often are you actually gonna need this anymore?
00:40:31.840 —> 00:40:34.440
I use it fairly frequently.
00:40:34.440 —> 00:40:38.940
I definitely, so on my main, my main work setup now is
00:40:38.940 —> 00:40:42.240
I have a computer off to my left with a secondary display.
00:40:42.240 —> 00:40:44.180
That’s strictly for the hospital.
00:40:44.180 —> 00:40:46.480
It is air gapped, it’s completely separate.
00:40:46.480 —> 00:40:48.280
It’s not part of this equation.
00:40:48.280 —> 00:40:51.840
The rest of it, I have my MacBook Air primary display,
00:40:51.840 —> 00:40:56.240
and then I have my big widescreen connected to it.
00:40:56.240 —> 00:40:57.820
So I have those two.
00:40:57.820 —> 00:41:01.240
Off to the right, I have another Windows laptop,
00:41:01.240 —> 00:41:04.200
17 inch or 16 inch, 15 inch, I don’t even remember, big.
00:41:04.200 —> 00:41:05.420
How many computers are we up to now?
00:41:05.420 —> 00:41:06.980
Three, is that the third one?
00:41:06.980 —> 00:41:08.720
Three, yes.
00:41:08.720 —> 00:41:11.040
That’s the one I use the sharing with.
00:41:11.040 —> 00:41:15.080
My Logitech MX70 or whatever it is, don’t know.
00:41:15.080 —> 00:41:16.760
It’s got a button here
00:41:16.760 —> 00:41:19.460
and it’s got frequencies one, two, and three.
00:41:19.460 —> 00:41:21.680
Now I haven’t done this,
00:41:21.680 —> 00:41:26.080
but I think that by pairing at a certain frequency,
00:41:26.080 —> 00:41:29.480
which you can do with a specific computer.
00:41:29.480 —> 00:41:31.820
You could pair at the different frequency settings
00:41:31.820 —> 00:41:32.840
on each of your computers,
00:41:32.840 —> 00:41:34.300
and all you have to do is press that button once
00:41:34.300 —> 00:41:36.100
to transfer it to the other computer.
00:41:36.100 —> 00:41:40.680
But what about the keyboard?
00:41:40.680 —> 00:41:42.680
Oh, you didn’t say anything about a keyboard, Peter.
00:41:42.680 —> 00:41:46.280
Yeah, this is KVM sharing, is what we’re doing.
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We’re sharing the keyboard, the video,
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and the mouse switching.
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You just said mouse.
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So I’m looking at another one
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called Mouse Without Borders, but it’s Windows only.
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Mouse Without Borders. Multiplicity.
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It has a normal practice that it practices
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for like 50 years, and then once every 10 years,
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maybe it’ll go for a year to-
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Goes away on sabbatical.
00:42:06.520 —> 00:42:09.120
Right, and does the mouse without borders thing.
00:42:09.120 —> 00:42:10.400
Yep, exactly.
00:42:10.400 —> 00:42:12.040
Yeah, I don’t know.
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So it looks like Barrier, Synergy, and ShareMouse are like,
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that’s all I’m finding right now
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that’s actually cross-platform compatible.
00:42:21.400 —> 00:42:27.400
Synergy Virtual KVM. Yes. We didn’t talk about that one did we? Did you mention? No that was the
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one that I used and then I said the developer started and you know like took it in a direction
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I wasn’t really caring for. What do you mean it became a porn site? No he just like like I was
00:42:39.000 —> 00:42:44.520
getting he wanted to charge for it it wasn’t clear why I would want to do that and then all of a
00:42:44.520 —> 00:42:49.080
sudden I was getting like pictures of like hey look here’s our new office and there was a picture
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of two people sitting at a desk and I’m like, you want me to pay so you can have two people
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sitting at a desk?
00:42:57.440 —> 00:42:59.080
Yeah, he’s got employees, you dummy.
00:42:59.080 —> 00:43:00.080
When to stick with hardware?
00:43:00.080 —> 00:43:04.440
If you need to connect one monitor to multiple computers, you’ll still need a traditional
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KVM.
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Yeah, that’s not what I’m looking for.
00:43:06.700 —> 00:43:10.520
Because I like to share, like, I don’t like my hands on one keyboard and mouse.
00:43:10.520 —> 00:43:12.640
Yes, yeah, and you can turn your head.
00:43:12.640 —> 00:43:14.480
Yep, exactly.
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Anyway.
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Okay, so I’m clicking on Synergies by now.
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I see $29 lifetime download access.
00:43:22.040 —> 00:43:23.920
That’s not that bad.
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29 for lifetime is not that bad.
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However, here’s the other thing too.
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Back when I was complaining about it,
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the reason I was complaining was like,
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there were a number of bugs that I had submitted.
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And instead of like seeing any progress
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on the bug fixing front, I was seeing like,
00:43:38.620 —> 00:43:40.700
we just bought an office kind of thing.
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So, so I was not, yeah.
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So that’s when I switched over to,
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I believe to ShareMouse.
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And that was maybe, I don’t know what the timeline is.
00:43:48.840 —> 00:43:53.280
That might be why ShareMouse or why barrier spun up.
00:43:53.280 —> 00:43:56.320
It might’ve been in, because it is a fork of Synergy.
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Is it?
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So does Synergy have QT in it?
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I don’t know.
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Well, if it does, I doubt it.
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Maybe it does.
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Wouldn’t surprise me.
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Welcome to World Class Productivity.
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Fortune 500 companies and over 2 million customers
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rely on Synergy every day, Peter,
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including Pixar and Apple,
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two companies that you may have heard of.
00:44:14.360 —> 00:44:15.720
Huh.
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There’s a Scott with one T that gave a good review to it.
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I can’t trust him because he’s got,
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he doesn’t have the right number of Ts.
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Skeet.
00:44:23.920 —> 00:44:26.080
Skeeter, mosquito.
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Yeah. Mosquito loves it.
00:44:27.720 —> 00:44:32.160
Yeah. So I’m kinda, yeah, I’m kinda torn here.
00:44:32.160 —> 00:44:33.000
I don’t know.
00:44:33.000 —> 00:44:34.960
Peter, have you heard the good news about hardware KVMs?
00:44:34.960 —> 00:44:38.800
No, what are they?
00:44:38.800 —> 00:44:39.620
Don’t know.
00:44:39.620 —> 00:44:40.520
But, and here’s the other thing,
00:44:40.520 —> 00:44:43.860
I don’t know if there are any KVMs modern enough
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to allow you to use Bluetooth devices with them.
00:44:46.320 —> 00:44:48.740
I’m sure there must be some adapters you can plug into them,
00:44:48.740 —> 00:44:50.900
but I never tried.
00:44:50.900 —> 00:44:54.320
No, I do have a hardware KVM on my desktop.
00:44:54.320 —> 00:44:55.480
I haven’t really used it though,
00:44:55.480 —> 00:44:58.280
since I had just two Windows machines on my desktop.
00:44:58.280 —> 00:45:00.520
And that’s where I would switch between like hospital one
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and non-hospital one.
00:45:01.720 —> 00:45:02.560
Yeah.
00:45:02.560 —> 00:45:03.600
So anyway.
00:45:03.600 —> 00:45:05.520
You know, some people have a day phone and a night phone.
00:45:05.520 —> 00:45:07.880
You’ve got a hospital computer and a non-hospital computer.
00:45:07.880 —> 00:45:09.120
Makes perfect sense.
00:45:09.120 —> 00:45:09.960
All right.
00:45:09.960 —> 00:45:12.920
Well, on that note, we should wrap this puppy up,
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Put a bow in it, et cetera, et cetera.
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Stick a fork in it, blah, blah, blah.
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Do the whole thing.
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Push the big red KVM button.
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Big red KVM button.
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Counting it, why don’t you count us down
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and then we’ll push the button.
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Three.
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I’m starting at three, is that okay?
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Click.