Episode 26 – Jittery Enough

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Friends with Brews! Clay Daly, how are you?

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Splendidly well, how are you? I’m good

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I was gonna say this would be a second episode in a row with a guest and not with Peter

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But that wouldn’t be true because I recorded an episode with Peter

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Earlier this week that’s gonna go in between. Oh

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Yes, Peter in between the two right the Peter sandwich and I feel like it’s important for his morale that I

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Allow him to think that I still care about him and so I’m gonna keep that order

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Well, hey, listen, the sandwiches are go well with tea, don’t they or brews? Yes. Let’s talk about your tea

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What do you got for me? I got a it’s a sort of you know how chai is often a lot of times

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They happen with low caffeine, but I got a black chai with it’s a chai tea mixed with like black tea and

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The cardamom is hitting me hard. It’s lovely lovely notes of cardamom. Do you have a brand?

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This brand is the tiesta tea t ie s ta I normally go to Whole Foods

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I can’t usually get the Whole Foods brand but okay

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You remember the Teavana days when Teavana was still a thing

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I used to go get their stuff and then of course Starbucks decided to shut them down, but whatever

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No, I’m bitter oh

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Oh, so this is do they have multiple so that here’s a spice chai black tea. Is that a different one than the one you have?

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Yeah, no, that’s the one. That’s the one I have spice. Yeah, it’s really good actually. Nice. That sounds good

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I may have to get that. Yeah. What are you what are you what are you brewing over there? I have a coffee

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It’s from I called it. They’re a local

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Roaster I call them Coava but it’s co ava so Coava might not be the right pronunciation

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But this is called S.O. Blend. And I don’t know what S.O. stands for. It’s S.O., so it means something.

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Anyway, they describe it as “The Americas and East Africa Rich Chocolatey.”

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This has honeycrisp apple, dark caramel, and chocolate-covered fruits. And it’s really smooth. I like it.

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Chocolate, you said?

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Yeah, chocolate.

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Nice.

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Yeah, Honeycrisp Apple Dark Caramel Chocolate. The thing is the flavors aren’t super strong,

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but that’s what I like about this brand is even with my particular pour-over method,

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I don’t have to try very hard at all to get a nice, smooth, very non-bitter cup of coffee

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with this brand.

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Nice. One day I may try coffee.

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You know what? Don’t because it’s… I mean, I could… if I wanted to, I could kick the

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caffeine habit, I would just hate it for two or three days.

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But if you’re not addicted to that much caffeine, why do it to begin with?

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If you can function without it, don’t do it.

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I mean, coffee is enjoyable, but it’s probably not worth getting addicted to the caffeine

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over.

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Although small amounts of coffee are supposed to be…

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Like people do drink small amounts of coffee when they’re doing like endurance activities,

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but then too much is the opposite effect.

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It’ll make you jittery and it’ll affect your performance.

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Right, right. True.

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And I get jittery enough just from work.

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Yeah, same here. Yeah, so I probably don’t, I don’t eat coffee. I’m jittery enough.

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Yeah, exactly. Jittery enough. That’ll be on my tombstone. Should never have had coffee.

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Was jittery enough?

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Yes.

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Okay, so what is going on in your podcasting life these days? I’ve seen, I’ve seen instances

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of you recording with people that look photographically involved.

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Yeah.

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So my co-host, Devon Warren from MVP, Most Valuable Photography Podcast,

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him and I, we actually, you know how they say you’re supposed to be consistent

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to make this work, right?

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Well, that’s what we’ve been trying.

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And it actually has been working every other week.

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Imagine that, Clay.

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Yeah. That’s cool. Good. So for people that want to listen to that, where can they find that?

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All the podcatchers just look for most valuable photography podcasts. And you’ll find us. I think

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MVP might bring it up to. I think it does in Spotify, at least, which is, you know, the devil.

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But yeah. Okay. Looks like is that still on Anchor? I found an Anchor link.

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Yeah, it is still on Anchor. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, I only have one show on Not

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the anchor and that is the cyber cash which is technically on a break but it’s a very

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long break. It’s a season. You’re in between seasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know like the

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budget you know we can’t come to the terms you know stuff like that. That’s true yeah.

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There’s some egos at stake and people need salaries that are outside your capability

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right now. Yeah they want more than zero dollars so yeah. Yeah I get it yeah. Luckily for me

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me, Peter has never asked for more than zero dollars.

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Good. Yeah. You guys have a good, you guys, this show is good. You guys have a good dynamic.

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I like it. Thank you. It’s good energy. I hope Peter enjoys the dynamic as much as you

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do. I don’t know. There was one day, I can’t remember what it was. Oh, he was going to

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bring something up that I absolutely did not want to talk about. And then he was like,

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I thought it was fair game since you always roast me on this podcast every time. And I’m

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I do? So that made me have to re-examine myself.

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Well, a little bit of roasting, I mean, for a brew show is pretty good, isn’t it?

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Yeah, I think so. Why not?

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I mean, Vic used to get roasted by us every now and then.

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That’s right. If we can roast our coffee beans, I can roast Peter’s bean. I’m talking about

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that.

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There you go.

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Not… wow, okay.

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Beans. Peter, you meant beans.

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That went lower than I thought. Yeah. I don’t want to know about Peter’s

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Light Roast. So I have not talked to you in a long time, honestly.

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Last time was on a podcast. Last time was “Bubblesort” or did I just say “Bubblesort”

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or yeah. I know that seems like a show that doesn’t exist, but yeah, there’s a show

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called “Bubblesort” and yeah, that’s the last time we spoke, right?

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Are you a subscriber to the Multiverse Theory? Because I’m thinking it did exist,

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maybe people in this… maybe it’s one of those Bernstein-Bears things. Maybe it

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kind of existed, but now it doesn’t, and it never did now. I don’t know.

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You know, you might be right. You know what? I jumped universes. I’m in the wrong one.

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I apologize. The sad thing is all of the the US political situation seems to be

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the same in every universe I keep helping you to. It’s not getting better.

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Not getting better. Unfortunately. But what camera gear… what are you using for cameras right now?

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know, like on a typical basis or what are you getting into recently that I haven’t

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known about?

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Well, I mean, you know, still shooting the moon actually, which is something that I need

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to do more of because I drive to work early in the morning and then I see the gorgeous

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moon up there. And you know, like I make my schedule, right? Like I can go into work at

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any time I want. So I technically should just walk with my camera, which I do sometimes

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to work, but I should walk into work with my camera and take, just pull over and take

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pictures of the moon which I have done way in the past but work is kind of hectic so

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I haven’t in a while. But yeah the main camera is a Sony a7R IV which is a beast of a camera

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with 61 megapixels. I mean no one really needs 61 megapixels do they?

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Well people throughout the history of humanity we’ve always said nobody needs this that and

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the other but it sure is nice. It is nice. It is nice. Are you shooting any?

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No, I haven’t for a long time. No. There’s a lot of different A7s, aren’t there? There

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are, yeah. I mean we have the R which is resolution. We have the S which is the video line which

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is, I think S stands for sensitive because they have sort of better sensitivity in low

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light. And then they have the plane which is just, you know, it used to be 24 and now

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I think it’s 33. And then they have, then they moved off of just being 7s and then they

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went to a nine and then they went to a one. Yeah. You know these companies with their

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numbers. They love their numbers.

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I know. Yeah. And they always go backwards for the better cameras, the smaller numbers.

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Yeah, they do. Even though the funny thing is that so you have the A7, right? Then you

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have the A9, which technically, technically is a better camera than the seven line because

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it’s like a A7 but like on steroids. And then they decided, you know what, we’re going to

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follow a Nikon and Canon and decide to go A1 which is like the beast of beasts.

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Oh my God. I’d hate to…I’m looking at the A7R right now, A7R IV and I don’t…I

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got to…oh my God. I’m afraid to look and see what the A1 costs.

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Yeah, trust me. And the thing is that the A7R IV cost what it costs. You know, I mean

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I got honored a deal actually but…and that’s the only reason I picked it up honestly. I

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I’m not doing this for a living, right? So I’m not going to go crazy spending that sort

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of money. But it wasn’t cheap. But it wasn’t as expensive as you see now. But then they

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had the A7R5 and that’s even more expensive. Inflation, these companies love to use this

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as an excuse for, “Hey, guess what? Things do cost more.” But do they cost that much

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more?

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Yeah. Did they cost that much more and do the prices never go back down again? That’s

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the thing about like once pandemic hit, everything, like think about food, how much do you spend

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any time you go out now? Like we can’t go out, just the three of us as a family, to

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any, and I’m not talking fancy restaurants, I’m just talking like good, like we went for

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Korean the other night, and it was a good restaurant, good Korean food, but three people,

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yeah, okay, we had quite a bit of food and we took some home, but it wasn’t like we stuffed

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ourselves senseless and it was 100 bucks. I mean, that’s just standard now. And I feel

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I feel like a lot of the other companies have taken whatever minor supply shortages they’ve

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had and they’ve amped up their prices.

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Like Mirrorless, I thought Mirrorless would help the prices.

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Far from it.

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I think cameras are way more expensive than ever now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because the thing is that we went to Mirrorless and the prices were a little bit higher than

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they should have been.

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But you’re like okay it’s new technology, we’ll allow it. And then all of a sudden you

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know the pro cameras and the non-mirrorless side you know like a regular SLR, DSLR type

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of cameras. The pro cameras are costing crazy money but it’s a pro camera. Now you’re going

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over pro-sumer on the mirrorless and they’re matching the prices of the pro side on the

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DSLR. Like you know they pulled the fast one on us because technically yeah it’s supposed

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to be cheaper to make them. It’s supposed to have less moving parts and therefore it’s

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supposed to last longer and somehow it doesn’t. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it’s crazy. I don’t…

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I mean, photography has always been a hobby that you could spend a lot of money if you

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wanted to, but now it seems a little bit insane. Like I still have my old Nikon, Nikon, whatever

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everyone call it, and I would love,

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I like the kind of camera that you have.

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I like that very much.

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And I think, like I wasn’t criticizing or judging you

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for the price of that camera at all.

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I think it’s a beautiful camera.

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And I think that’s the kind of camera I would love to have.

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And there’s no way that I can,

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until my daughter gets out of the school situation

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she’s in, there’s no way I could ever even think

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about something like that now.

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Whereas previously I could possibly do it, yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, so if I hadn’t gotten the position at work that I had now, I don’t

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think I would have. It would have been like, hey, nice, but not now. Eventually, like,

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I mean, my first A7, I have two A7s. I have a regular A7 and that was also sort of more

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than I wanted to spend, but it was a deal still, right? Like, so I wait for the deals,

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right? You know, everyone always jumps on things when they first come out. Like, I wait

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things. Because could you imagine if you buy something right away and then you’re like,

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oh, snap, this thing is a lemon? Like, I don’t want to be that person, you know.

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Right. And that way, later on, you have the option of getting something that’s been refurbed,

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getting something used. You have a lot more options.

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Definitely.

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And even if the price goes up slightly or remains the same and you decide to buy new,

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well, that’s your choice and you came to that decision by waiting and thinking about it.

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Yep. Like right now, I’m actually thinking about adding a second body because, you know,

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when I do shoot like portrait sessions or you know something like that. My two cameras

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are the A7R IV which is at 61 megapixels and then my old A7 which is 24 megapixels. But

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the issue is that the old A7 system autofocus is just not up to speed. And you know like

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back in the days DSLRs had a slight advantage over mirrorless cameras in terms of auto,

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manual focusing, but they don’t now because of the punching. You could punch in now. But

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you know old school film cameras had an even better advantage because you had like all

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these sort of different prisms that you could put on your camera that would help to aid

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with manual focusing. I don’t have that with my old A7, especially because the viewfinder

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is really low resolution. And then on top of that, the autofocus is no good, right?

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Yeah, the viewfinder, I remember the viewfinders used to be problematic. And even on DSLRs,

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they weren’t great, but it didn’t matter as much. But then once you got to mirrorless,

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it started being a bit of a pain for a little while.

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Yes, yes. It’s better now because you have giant megapixel counts in like the Canon high

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end line, the Nikon high end line, and Sony high end line. They all have, you know, giant

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megapixel account, you know, little L is basically a little, you know, big screen

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TVs inside of the viewfinder versus what we used to have.

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For sure. Yeah.

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Yeah, it’s kind of weird.

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Like before the pandemic, my father in law,

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I feel like he went and bought another DSLR.

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He upgraded. He bought a better Nikon DSLR than what he had.

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And I kind of I don’t know if he cares about mirrorless or not.

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I don’t I don’t know what his thinking on that topic is,

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but I kind of think I would never do that right now.

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I would never do that again, I don’t think.

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Oh yeah. I don’t see the point in it.

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To me, that seems like, first of all,

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part of photography is it is absolutely about the photos.

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Who cares what the camera is,

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as long as you are having fun taking the photos

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and you’re learning how to get results that you like.

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But camera gear is fun.

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And those old DSLRs, they don’t excite me at all,

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not a bit anymore.

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And I think that’s why I couldn’t imagine

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spending the money on those anymore. Yeah, no, I’m with you. Like if, so let’s say, let’s

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say if I were doing this for a gig, like actual money, right? And I’m doing sports, I could

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see myself actually going to get a high end old DSLR for the sports. Right? Because you

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like a high end DSLR is definitely going to be better than a mid range like Sony A7 or

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Nikon Z6 or something like that for sports. If you can get the high end, you know, we’re

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talking about like Canon 1D or Nikon D3 or D4, right? I could see that. But if you can

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afford to go like Nikon, you know, like Z3 or, you know, Canon R3, if you can afford

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it, you’d be better off if you actually are shooting sports. Everything else, I would

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just be fine with like a regular A7. You know, it would be perfectly fine. But when we’re

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talking about sports, sports that I have, you know, are still at the high end of demanding,

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i have tried to shoot it, you know, and Chidgey shoots it. and, you know, he could tell you,

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you know, all the struggles. I mean, it’s not easy, you know. So, yeah.

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Yeah, I agree. I mean, yeah, for sure. There are certain jobs where, I mean, you do have

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to, if you’re a professional, your job requirements and the ability to do the best job are going

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to be the primary factor in determining what equipment you’d select for sure.

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For sure, yep. But no matter what I did, even if I was back into shooting again and I did

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it every day and I dreamt about it all the time, I wouldn’t even get to the point where

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I would be an interesting amateur. So I could pretty much pick whatever camera gear I wanted

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within my budget, which is quite limiting.

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There’s a lot, you know, like there’s a lot of, especially if you’re okay with use, right?

00:17:02.880 —> 00:17:06.520
people for some reason don’t want to buy used cameras. I don’t get it. But there are people

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who are always upgrading and you could find someone locally and say, “Hey, you know what?

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I know you’re selling this camera for 500 bucks.” And I’ve done this, right? I’ve actually

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bought, I just bought like a lens that’s like a, like it was, so when Sony went from the

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A-mount, which is the DSL, which is, they actually never had a DSLR really. They had

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an SLR, SLT, which is like a translucent mirror inside. It was like an in between between

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in a DSLR and mirrorless.

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So they had that system, and that system was the A mount,

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which is the Kanaka Minolta old mount that they bought.

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They bought Kanaka Minolta.

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So that mount still has a great set of lenses.

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And so I bought an adapter for my Sony A7,

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and actually I found a person who was selling

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this 135 millimeter lens that is brand new.

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I think it was like $2,000.

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And I think he was selling it with a bunch of stuff

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for like about a thousand dollars, and I just offered the guy like 450, and he said, “Yeah,

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I’ll take it.” You know? And so I got this amazing lens that just I got for nothing.

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I mean, people are just wanting to get rid of this stuff sometimes. So like if someone

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sells something for 500, just say, “I’m not low-balling you. I have 400. Will you

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take it?” You know? And if they say yes, you have nothing to lose. If they say yes.

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That’s true. Yeah. You’re just some random guy. If they hate you for the rest of your

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lives, that’s their problem.

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So be it.

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No, I don’t know.

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I know that in the old days, I remember a lot of people

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didn’t wanna buy used camera bodies

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’cause they were always worried about shutter actuations.

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And then lenses, people are always like,

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well, you gotta make sure that lens isn’t scratched.

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And before the internet, it was a lot easier

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’cause typically you were gonna go see the thing in person

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before you ever bought it.

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Right.

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And I get not wanting to, but man, especially for lenses,

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just frigging buy used.

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Like you said, you can get some amazing lenses.

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And if you’re doing creative type photography and speed is not of the essence,

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who cares if it, you know, you can get some amazing lenses that produce

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interesting results that they may not necessarily work with your autofocus.

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They may have certain features that don’t work, but who cares?

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Mm hmm. I agree.

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Yeah, I mean, I have a giant, you know, cabinet behind me here with a whole bunch

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of old lenses that I used to lost after from, like, the film days that now are crazy cheap.

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And yeah, it’s not the easiest to use on again, some of these cameras, but just patience and

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a tripod sometimes will do the job.

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And fun. It’s interesting. It’s fun.

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Oh yes, definitely.

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That’s cool.

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Definitely.

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What about film? Are you doing any film these days?

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Well, so the internet is actually losing their mind about film at the moment because the

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prices have gone berserk.

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I can imagine. Yeah, yeah. So for right now, I think film is really meant for pros right

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now, personally. For me to spend the amount of money on film is a little bit like looking

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at a camera that is $2,000 and looking at film and doing film for a year, you probably

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will end up spending about the same amount of money including the camera, right? Yeah.

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And that’s one year.

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That’s crazy.

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Yeah, it is pretty crazy.

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Like the prices of film right now are pretty high.

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And the thing is that like, yeah, I develop at home myself, but guess what?

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I don’t have the time for it.

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So I would, if I were to shoot, keep shooting film and you know, the only film I shoot right

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now is actually instant film, which I love.

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But if I were to keep shooting film, I would have to devote myself to actually developing

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at home, which I don’t, I don’t at the time.

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scanning at home, which I don’t have the time, and doing calibrations on the frames that

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I’ve got, which I don’t have time. I don’t have time for these things. And then the money.

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The money is not like, for me, it’s like, I’d rather just spend the money on some lenses

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and have a nice lens for my Sony. Or I have actually a bunch of cameras. I have the little

00:21:09.300 —> 00:21:14.580
One Series Nikon One Series, you know, like the one inch cameras, which are nice for shooting

00:21:14.580 —> 00:21:19.160
the moon because you can put like a regular lens on there and have basically you know

00:21:19.160 —> 00:21:22.820
2x zoom because of the sensor being so small.

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Adam Boffa Like if you were new to developing your own film and it was novel and it was

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fun and exciting and you were willing to say I’m gonna really reduce the amount of time

00:21:32.480 —> 00:21:37.840
I have for actually shooting and buying camera gear with you know reduce the amount of money

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I have for camera gear but it’s worth it to me because I’m gonna learn how to develop

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this film, that would be one thing, but you already know how to do it.

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And it’s probably not the most exciting part of photography for you.

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No, it’s not. It’s not.

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It’s exciting because you’re like, snap, I’m doing this, right?

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Like people pay for people pay someone else to do this.

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But guess what? It’s not that much money to pay someone else to do it.

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But, but, but, but there’s a big but it does add up, right?

00:22:01.260 —> 00:22:03.460
You know? Yes. So that’s the problem.

00:22:03.460 —> 00:22:06.260
It’s like how much money are you going to say?

00:22:06.260 —> 00:22:08.380
You say, oh, it’s still it’s cheaper than digital.

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But does it though? Right? Because it adds up. I mean, if you do this for two years, how much money did you spend?

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Versus how much that digital camera cost?

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It’s almost like back when I was a kid and I wasn’t paying for my own stuff.

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And I would either have to scrimp together money to develop film or my dad was going to be paying for it.

00:22:27.380 —> 00:22:33.380
And so I had to be very careful. It really limited the amount of shots that I could take. Super.

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And it’s almost like that again with film.

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Yes, definitely like that. Yeah, definitely.

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That’s, it’s too bad. That is the one thing about digital, whatever you think about film,

00:22:43.500 —> 00:22:50.820
whatever you think about digital. First of all, people get amazing. You know, I think the biggest

00:22:50.820 —> 00:22:55.980
appeal of film is that it requires a little more work and that you can get different results with

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it. But I think it’s more about enjoying the process than anything. But that is the one

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advantage of digital. Immediately when digital came along I realized, “Oh my god, I can

00:23:06.700 —> 00:23:12.260
shoot however many photos I want and some of them can be terrible and I’m not going

00:23:12.260 —> 00:23:17.480
to feel bad about that because, you know, aside from the fact that nobody wants to shoot

00:23:17.480 —> 00:23:20.460
99% terrible photos, but I’m not going to feel bad about that because it’s not going

00:23:20.460 —> 00:23:25.460
to cost me a thing.” And the film was never that way for me.

00:23:25.460 —> 00:23:29.460
No. No. Unless you’re rich.

00:23:29.460 —> 00:23:36.460
Right, exactly. In which case you’re too busy buying property in New Zealand or whatever they do these days.

00:23:36.460 —> 00:23:41.460
Or maybe giving Elon Musk all your money in case he establishes a Mars colony.

00:23:41.460 —> 00:23:43.460
Oh, gosh. That guy.

00:23:43.460 —> 00:23:44.460
That guy.

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I don’t get it.

00:23:45.460 —> 00:23:48.460
I noticed you still use… Do you still use Twitter?

00:23:48.460 —> 00:23:52.060
Yeah, yeah, I you know, the funny thing is that I

00:23:52.060 —> 00:23:54.820
so

00:23:54.820 —> 00:24:00.620
Mastodon like I’m trying to use it, but it feels like it feels like it feels kind of clicking

00:24:00.620 —> 00:24:01.780
I know what you mean

00:24:01.780 —> 00:24:07.980
it’s much less so for me now than when I started and I think one thing that really helped was a

00:24:07.980 —> 00:24:12.640
huge influx of people who didn’t care about the stupid rules like

00:24:13.260 —> 00:24:19.200
There were so many Mastodon-splainers early on. Here’s how we do things here. Here’s how you must do things.

00:24:19.200 —> 00:24:21.040
And it’s like, listen,

00:24:21.040 —> 00:24:25.680
I get that you have a culture you like and I get that there are certain ways that you do things that may or may

00:24:25.680 —> 00:24:27.040
not be better, but

00:24:27.040 —> 00:24:33.860
Clay, every time we’ve gone to a new social network, it’s always our “don’t stink,” right? It’s always that way. And it’s not true.

00:24:33.860 —> 00:24:36.700
It’s never true. It’s just people. There’s no

00:24:36.700 —> 00:24:42.740
group of people that’s so much smarter and better than other people that they’ve developed a perfect social network,

00:24:42.740 —> 00:24:45.460
but they always think they do in the infancy of these social networks.

00:24:45.460 —> 00:24:46.180
Yeah.

00:24:46.180 —> 00:24:50.980
And there was a lot of, you know, explaining going on on Mastodon,

00:24:50.980 —> 00:24:53.380
but my attitude was I’m going to ignore these people,

00:24:53.380 —> 00:24:56.620
and when enough other people come in that ignore them too, it won’t matter anymore.

00:24:56.620 —> 00:25:01.340
And for the most part on my Mastodon, I don’t see a lot of the posts anymore saying,

00:25:01.340 —> 00:25:05.100
”Welcome to Mastodon. Here’s our 24,000 rules that you must abide by.”

00:25:05.100 —> 00:25:08.220
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:08.220 —> 00:25:15.820
But I will say that I follow a number of Black people on Mastodon that still highlight a

00:25:15.820 —> 00:25:20.220
lot of the issues, which is a lot of those rules around content warnings and a lot of

00:25:20.220 —> 00:25:24.460
the rules that were built up for people who don’t want to see certain types of content,

00:25:24.460 —> 00:25:33.980
they hinder necessary and productive discussions about racism, even unintentional racism, and

00:25:33.980 —> 00:25:39.840
how is it ever going to improve if you want to silence those conversations because you

00:25:39.840 —> 00:25:43.800
think that belongs behind a CW?

00:25:43.800 —> 00:25:48.600
And I think that’s one of the biggest problems with Mastodon is it was so monoculture for

00:25:48.600 —> 00:25:54.440
so long that it really, it left a bad taste in my mouth when I first started using it.

00:25:54.440 —> 00:25:56.600
And I’m like, man, these people don’t get it.

00:25:56.600 —> 00:25:57.600
They don’t understand.

00:25:57.600 —> 00:26:01.800
Like you can’t lecture to other adults how to use, you know, you understand that the

00:26:01.800 —> 00:26:03.900
people coming in here are grown adults, right?

00:26:03.900 —> 00:26:07.820
you’re trying to tell them how to have conversations, that just doesn’t work.

00:26:07.820 —> 00:26:15.940
It doesn’t, no. So is that still a thing, the whole CW stuff, or is that minimized?

00:26:15.940 —> 00:26:21.540
I think it’s way minimized. And also, I’ve been on the Ivory betas for a while. Like,

00:26:21.540 —> 00:26:27.440
I have the iOS beta, and now I finally got on the Mac beta. And for a long time, because

00:26:27.440 —> 00:26:33.820
they were just building it on the fly from the bones of Tweetbot, I guess, it didn’t

00:26:33.820 —> 00:26:40.140
really show the CW, it didn’t really handle CW very well, it just showed you everything.

00:26:40.140 —> 00:26:44.800
And now, even on the web now, I see a lot less CWs than I used to. So I think that due

00:26:44.800 —> 00:26:48.860
to multiple reasons, people just aren’t using CWs that much anymore, because the CW culture

00:26:48.860 —> 00:26:53.600
was ridiculous in the beginning. Like, I get that there’s people who don’t like eye contact,

00:26:53.600 —> 00:26:58.220
but like there would be a photo of a cat looking into the camera and people would put it behind

00:26:58.220 —> 00:27:00.580
a CW because the cat was making eye contact.

00:27:00.580 —> 00:27:02.040
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:02.040 —> 00:27:07.160
You can’t expect everybody to be that… I mean, I don’t know where you draw the line,

00:27:07.160 —> 00:27:09.560
but to me that’s way on the wrong side of it.

00:27:09.560 —> 00:27:15.060
Well, that’s why I kind of… So I post a picture of something and I’m like, “Okay,

00:27:15.060 —> 00:27:19.880
am I supposed to put it behind the filter? Because I’m not sure. Like, what if the moon

00:27:19.880 —> 00:27:24.320
is mooning me? Like, oh, this moon is mooning me. Like, this is offensive. Like, I don’t

00:27:24.320 —> 00:27:27.880
know.” You know what I mean? So it’s kind of like, right.

00:27:27.880 —> 00:27:30.840
You know, some people might be werewolves and they’re trying to control it. And you

00:27:30.840 —> 00:27:33.400
you show them a picture of the moon, Clay, and they’re going to have a problem.

00:27:33.400 —> 00:27:37.120
It’s like they’re banging in the middle of Starbucks because of me. Geez.

00:27:37.120 —> 00:27:37.960
I’m sorry.

00:27:37.960 —> 00:27:40.320
Yeah. Where’s the content warning, they howl?

00:27:40.320 —> 00:27:43.800
Yeah, I know. Yeah.

00:27:43.800 —> 00:27:48.080
So that sort of stuff kind of made me just a little bit,

00:27:48.080 —> 00:27:49.360
I don’t know.

00:27:49.360 —> 00:27:49.920
For sure.

00:27:49.920 —> 00:27:53.840
Just nervous. I’m like, okay, I’m going to come in here. You know,

00:27:53.840 —> 00:27:58.560
there’s Twitter ref… I guess that’s offensive too, Twitter refugee.

00:27:58.840 —> 00:28:05.620
but you know, Twitter outcast and coming in here and posting pictures that I

00:28:05.620 —> 00:28:09.700
think are perfectly fine. And then I offend someone because I just mooned them.

00:28:09.700 —> 00:28:10.280
I don’t know.

00:28:10.280 —> 00:28:13.160
From what I’ve seen, and at least on the server that I’m on.

00:28:13.160 —> 00:28:19.480
So basically what I see on my home view is stuff that’s on that server.

00:28:19.480 —> 00:28:22.680
And it’s on that server because people follow certain people.

00:28:22.680 —> 00:28:25.580
You know what I mean? Like everybody’s view is going to be different.

00:28:25.600 —> 00:28:29.140
But the view that I see, I don’t see a lot of that anymore.

00:28:29.140 —> 00:28:31.180
It’s way less than it used to be.

00:28:31.180 —> 00:28:35.260
And I think, you know, I’m a white middle-aged dude.

00:28:35.260 —> 00:28:36.900
There’s very little I’m gonna see

00:28:36.900 —> 00:28:40.320
that is probably going to cause a problem for me

00:28:40.320 —> 00:28:43.340
because people’s inherent biases

00:28:43.340 —> 00:28:44.920
that Mastodon was built around

00:28:44.920 —> 00:28:48.560
are probably more like mine than not.

00:28:48.560 —> 00:28:52.160
But even having said that,

00:28:52.160 —> 00:28:56.400
I see a lot less of the CW culture, the lecturing culture,

00:28:56.400 —> 00:28:58.320
the here’s how we do things on Macedon culture.

00:28:58.320 —> 00:29:01.180
I don’t know where those people went in despair,

00:29:01.180 —> 00:29:03.760
but I feel like a lot of them have finally realized,

00:29:03.760 —> 00:29:05.120
hey, these grown adults have come in here

00:29:05.120 —> 00:29:06.540
and they’re gonna talk how they’re gonna talk.

00:29:06.540 —> 00:29:08.200
That’s the thing about social networks.

00:29:08.200 —> 00:29:10.760
They’ve never ever been used exactly the way

00:29:10.760 —> 00:29:12.960
even the creators envisioned.

00:29:12.960 —> 00:29:13.800
Yeah.

00:29:13.800 —> 00:29:14.620
They just don’t.

00:29:14.620 —> 00:29:16.120
People come in and they find the way they wanna use it

00:29:16.120 —> 00:29:17.560
and that’s how it gets used.

00:29:17.560 —> 00:29:20.160
Yeah, and the thing is that a lot of times creators,

00:29:22.000 —> 00:29:27.360
see something that we, the users, do and then they’re like, “Wow, that’s brilliant.

00:29:27.360 —> 00:29:29.520
We didn’t think about that. Let’s add that.”

00:29:29.520 —> 00:29:36.280
Like, the whole quote-toot thing was a huge controversy for a long time and it’s like,

00:29:36.280 —> 00:29:43.440
”Guys, yes, it can be a magnifier, but you guys keep saying that Mastodon is built specifically

00:29:43.440 —> 00:29:49.960
so that individual things can’t go viral as easily. So therefore, you can’t use a quote-toot

00:29:49.960 —> 00:29:56.300
to dogpile as easily as you can on Twitter. So why not let it happen? And then also, you

00:29:56.300 —> 00:30:01.480
can be an ass to people in replies already. Like it’s, it’s not like that’s the only way

00:30:01.480 —> 00:30:05.000
you can ever harass somebody. So we can’t allow it. But we can allow these other things.

00:30:05.000 —> 00:30:10.800
No, harassment comes in all forms, including silencing of discussions of racism by saying,

00:30:10.800 —> 00:30:13.960
Oh, that belongs behind a CW. That’s harassment, too.

00:30:13.960 —> 00:30:20.160
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that actually, that is actually a very good point is that,

00:30:20.160 —> 00:30:24.640
you know, if you decided that something was perfectly fine and someone else,

00:30:24.640 —> 00:30:30.200
one person decides that, you know, that this is offensive to them, it’s, I mean,

00:30:30.200 —> 00:30:35.600
like, again, you can’t please everyone, right? Like, and the social media,

00:30:35.600 —> 00:30:40.600
it’s, I don’t know, I don’t know why we call it social media because it feels

00:30:40.600 —> 00:30:46.120
very antisocial. Yeah, antisocial media. Yeah, you know, I don’t know. I don’t get

00:30:46.120 —> 00:30:50.840
that offended by a lot of stuff. You have to go really far to offend me, okay?

00:30:50.840 —> 00:30:57.480
Well, here’s the thing. It’s like, everyone is going to have triggers. Like, we all have

00:30:57.480 —> 00:31:02.400
had things happen to us in life to where things that other people would never imagine would

00:31:02.400 —> 00:31:05.480
be painful for us to hear are going to be painful for us to hear.

00:31:05.480 —> 00:31:10.300
Yeah, true. And we as humans, there is a line. We as humans

00:31:10.300 —> 00:31:15.360
have got to, this is just part of growing up and as culture evolves and as new technologies

00:31:15.360 —> 00:31:20.460
come on or new use cases evolve, we just have to figure out where’s the line that makes

00:31:20.460 —> 00:31:25.080
sense so that we’re not purposely being jerks to people and just saying, oh, that doesn’t

00:31:25.080 —> 00:31:30.360
matter. Like people who get mad because they can’t be a certain way anymore. And it’s like,

00:31:30.360 —> 00:31:33.900
no, we’re not trying to stifle you. We’re just asking you not to be dicks. Is that such

00:31:33.900 —> 00:31:40.160
a hard thing? But then there’s also the thing of people who want every personal trigger

00:31:40.160 —> 00:31:46.000
of theirs accounted for, and you can’t do that. And so, like, for example, I know people that have

00:31:46.000 —> 00:31:53.840
had their children die. Are they going to get mad and get offended whenever anybody at work

00:31:53.840 —> 00:32:01.360
is talking about their kids? I’m sure it’s incredibly painful. But they can’t. And I’m

00:32:01.360 —> 00:32:07.760
sure that if people who know them and know their story, they would probably be careful about what

00:32:07.760 —> 00:32:13.160
what they said around those people. But people who don’t know, and they’re standing there

00:32:13.160 —> 00:32:18.760
talking about their kids, which people do all the time at work, that would be amazingly,

00:32:18.760 —> 00:32:23.680
incredibly, devastatingly painful for those people to be reminded that, “Hey, they’re

00:32:23.680 —> 00:32:27.720
having these happy experiences with their child, and I’m not.” But they’re not going

00:32:27.720 —> 00:32:32.760
to jump on that person and attack them. Not unless they’re super unreasonable, right?

00:32:32.760 —> 00:32:36.720
They can’t. Because part of life is other people have kids.

00:32:36.720 —> 00:32:38.760
Yep, we’d hope so.

00:32:38.760 —> 00:32:46.920
So there has to be, yeah, there has to be, you know, when you yourself are feeling pain

00:32:46.920 —> 00:32:51.920
from some of the things that people are talking about, you have to be willing to honestly

00:32:51.920 —> 00:32:55.840
engage in an internal dialogue of saying, “Is it reasonable that these people are allowed

00:32:55.840 —> 00:32:58.200
to talk about this, or are they just being dicks?

00:32:58.200 —> 00:33:01.120
Or are they just being normal humans, and this is part of the human experience?”

00:33:01.120 —> 00:33:08.880
And yeah, this hurts for me, but I’m not going to ask them not to do that because there

00:33:08.880 —> 00:33:11.920
are times where it’s unreasonable for them to do it, and there’s times where it’s unreasonable

00:33:11.920 —> 00:33:13.700
to ask them to stop doing it.

00:33:13.700 —> 00:33:14.840
Is it easy to figure that out?

00:33:14.840 —> 00:33:15.840
No, not always.

00:33:15.840 —> 00:33:18.840
But you have to at least be willing to admit that that’s the case.

00:33:18.840 —> 00:33:21.480
Yeah, that’s true.

00:33:21.480 —> 00:33:22.480
Probably a dumb example.

00:33:22.480 —> 00:33:29.180
No, no, that is a good example, though, because the thing is that normal people will, on one

00:33:29.180 —> 00:33:33.700
side realized that, yes, guess what? This is going to be a thing that happens to me.

00:33:33.700 —> 00:33:39.100
I lost my child and this is something I have to deal with. And the opposite side, you know,

00:33:39.100 —> 00:33:44.980
people lose kids. But like you can’t, you can’t put everything behind the content warning

00:33:44.980 —> 00:33:49.600
just because you’re like snap, like, okay, my son just like did this amazing thing and

00:33:49.600 —> 00:33:56.020
I can’t talk about it because someone might have lost a child. Right? So that is a very

00:33:56.020 —> 00:33:57.020
good example actually.

00:33:57.020 —> 00:34:02.720
And I’m not saying that we should not be cognizant of other people’s needs and feelings.

00:34:02.720 —> 00:34:03.720
Right.

00:34:03.720 —> 00:34:05.160
At all.

00:34:05.160 —> 00:34:08.320
And it is a tricky—it is hard.

00:34:08.320 —> 00:34:15.100
Like it is hard, but there has to be—there has to be—like, you know, if people wanted

00:34:15.100 —> 00:34:20.120
to they could hear what I’m saying and they could say, “Oh, well, you know, that could

00:34:20.120 —> 00:34:23.360
allow for a lot of racist things,” and people could say, “Well, that’s just how humanity

00:34:23.360 —> 00:34:24.360
is.

00:34:24.360 —> 00:34:25.360
This is just part of being society.”

00:34:25.360 —> 00:34:26.360
Yes, it could.

00:34:26.360 —> 00:34:29.860
it used to, and it still does in a lot of places.

00:34:29.860 —> 00:34:33.540
And so I get that, but I’m saying,

00:34:33.540 —> 00:34:35.600
that’s why I’m saying you have to have the rule of,

00:34:35.600 —> 00:34:36.740
are you just being a jerk,

00:34:36.740 —> 00:34:39.040
or are you just being a normal human being?

00:34:39.040 —> 00:34:41.100
It’s an evolution.

00:34:41.100 —> 00:34:43.800
There’s a lot of things that we know now

00:34:43.800 —> 00:34:46.640
that we should not do or say because they are wrong,

00:34:46.640 —> 00:34:49.360
and we did not used to think they were wrong.

00:34:49.360 —> 00:34:50.280
Right, right.

00:34:50.280 —> 00:34:51.600
I don’t know, it’s hard.

00:34:51.600 —> 00:34:53.320
Being a human is hard, Clay.

00:34:53.320 —> 00:34:54.280
They’re very hard.

00:34:55.200 —> 00:34:57.920
Maybe we shouldn’t be humans anymore.

00:34:57.920 —> 00:34:59.680
Well, I think we’re on our way out, aren’t we?

00:34:59.680 —> 00:35:00.880
I think so, yes.

00:35:00.880 —> 00:35:03.320
I think this may be a solved problem.

00:35:03.320 —> 00:35:06.320
It just hasn’t completely gotten there yet.

00:35:06.320 —> 00:35:08.840
Right, exactly.

00:35:08.840 —> 00:35:10.560
Oh my God, did you notice?

00:35:10.560 —> 00:35:11.720
And I knew this was gonna happen.

00:35:11.720 —> 00:35:13.360
I figured it was only a matter of time,

00:35:13.360 —> 00:35:16.680
but now this avian flu is jumping to other animals.

00:35:16.680 —> 00:35:18.000
Oh my gosh.

00:35:18.000 —> 00:35:19.080
Yeah.

00:35:19.080 —> 00:35:20.800
It happens, but geez, gosh.

00:35:20.800 —> 00:35:21.760
Oof.

00:35:21.760 —> 00:35:22.600
Yeah.

00:35:22.600 —> 00:35:23.560
Painful.

00:35:23.560 —> 00:35:24.480
It is painful.

00:35:24.480 —> 00:35:30.120
I look, I’m not. I do eat meat. I do eat chicken and fish.

00:35:30.120 —> 00:35:34.960
But I tell you, I just buy the whole meat industry is horrible.

00:35:34.960 —> 00:35:38.680
It’s abominable. It’s a large part of what’s killing the planet.

00:35:38.680 —> 00:35:40.800
Yes, it is. Yep.

00:35:40.800 —> 00:35:45.040
We go overboard with stuff like, you know, oh, guess what?

00:35:45.040 —> 00:35:46.880
There’s gold in the ground. We’re going to overmine.

00:35:46.880 —> 00:35:50.040
Oh, there’s, you know, the animals have Omega-3.

00:35:50.040 —> 00:35:51.880
We’re going to over fish.

00:35:52.080 —> 00:35:54.960
I mean, yeah, we go overboard.

00:35:54.960 —> 00:35:58.800
Right. Most of what we do, if we did in moderation, it would be okay.

00:35:58.800 —> 00:36:00.800
And if we did it in a balanced way, it would be okay.

00:36:00.800 —> 00:36:02.840
But you’re right. We go so overboard.

00:36:02.840 —> 00:36:05.320
Part of it is just how many people live on the planet.

00:36:05.320 —> 00:36:07.680
But part of it also is just capitalism.

00:36:07.680 —> 00:36:09.560
Capitalism is engineered that way.

00:36:09.560 —> 00:36:12.440
And I feel like in the United States,

00:36:12.440 —> 00:36:16.520
we still hold on to capitalism as such a religion.

00:36:16.520 —> 00:36:18.840
Very true. It is a religion, though.

00:36:18.840 —> 00:36:21.320
Capitalism is just a system. Yeah, it is a religion.

00:36:21.320 —> 00:36:26.820
It’s just a system, and I don’t understand why so many people think this is the inherent good way.

00:36:26.820 —> 00:36:32.020
This is the… Look, I understand that you can look around and look at communist countries

00:36:32.020 —> 00:36:34.820
and look at socialist countries and say, “Look at all these problems.”

00:36:34.820 —> 00:36:42.620
But look, we’re capitalist, but if we get an authoritarian in place, you can have bad people in charge in any system.

00:36:42.620 —> 00:36:46.520
And it’s true that a lot of communist countries have authoritarians in place.

00:36:46.520 —> 00:36:52.320
And a lot of the people I know that have escaped from communist countries and come to the United States are very conservative as a result.

00:36:52.320 —> 00:37:03.040
But you can have authoritarians in place in a democratic, which isn’t really anymore, and a capitalist society, and it’s just as bad.

00:37:03.040 —> 00:37:10.280
And it might even be worse because then you have all these corporations that are taking advantage of you at the same time as the authoritarians are ruling you.

00:37:10.280 —> 00:37:18.580
So I just, I really wish humans didn’t have such a bias towards the way things are.

00:37:18.580 —> 00:37:22.080
Like we have a tendency to think, “Oh, this is how it is, so this is the way it has to be.”

00:37:22.080 —> 00:37:26.140
When all, everything we do, everything we see, everything we think is all made up by us.

00:37:26.140 —> 00:37:27.180
And it doesn’t have to be that way.

00:37:27.180 —> 00:37:30.380
It’s not inevitable, but it’s only inevitable because everybody thinks it is.

00:37:30.380 —> 00:37:31.140
Right.

00:37:31.140 —> 00:37:32.540
It’s a chicken and egg.

00:37:32.540 —> 00:37:33.740
Chicken and egg, yeah.

00:37:33.740 —> 00:37:35.240
Cycles.

00:37:35.240 —> 00:37:38.020
And both the chicken and the egg have avian flu, by the way.

00:37:39.940 —> 00:37:46.500
Yes. Is it because the chicken ate the egg and then the chicken laid the egg and then

00:37:46.500 —> 00:37:47.860
the…okay, never mind. Cycle.

00:37:47.860 —> 00:37:48.860
Probably.

00:37:48.860 —> 00:37:50.340
Sneaks. Tails. Something like that.

00:37:50.340 —> 00:37:55.500
The chicken ate the egg. The chicken laid an egg, which might be the same egg or have

00:37:55.500 —> 00:37:59.620
parts of the same egg. I don’t know. It gets weird. I don’t understand animals. How do

00:37:59.620 —> 00:38:06.940
they even…oh, boy. I don’t know. We all see what we want to see out of life.

00:38:06.940 —> 00:38:15.700
Yes we do. So I mean I know this is giving Elon too much credit here but maybe we might

00:38:15.700 —> 00:38:17.840
actually be in the matrix.

00:38:17.840 —> 00:38:21.860
You know some of the things that are happening, I don’t believe it but some of the things

00:38:21.860 —> 00:38:26.600
that are happening are the best indication of it that I’ve ever seen. You can’t make

00:38:26.600 —> 00:38:29.580
this stuff up. It is almost like somebody’s tweaking a bunch of sliders to see what would

00:38:29.580 —> 00:38:30.580
happen.

00:38:30.580 —> 00:38:34.380
Yeah. How far can we push it? Oh my gosh did someone see it? Pull it back, pull it back,

00:38:34.380 —> 00:38:35.380
pull it back.

00:38:35.380 —> 00:38:36.380
Yeah exactly.

00:38:36.380 —> 00:38:40.300
out. They saw too much. How dumb can we make these people and at what point do they actually

00:38:40.300 —> 00:38:48.080
kill themselves? Yeah. There seems to be, and I don’t know why, but when people get

00:38:48.080 —> 00:38:54.140
a certain platform, Elon Musk is one of these guys, but you know that a lot of his, like

00:38:54.140 —> 00:39:00.100
he has become very Donald Trump-like in his tweets and his stupid sayings and just the

00:39:00.100 —> 00:39:05.900
dumb things he says and does. The way he communicates, it’s very childish and Trump-like. And

00:39:05.900 —> 00:39:12.700
And I gotta say, I’m starting to wonder if giving some of these people who don’t have

00:39:12.700 —> 00:39:19.960
normal social interactions, they’re billionaires, they’re rich, and/or they’re technically influential

00:39:19.960 —> 00:39:23.160
in the tech industry, and so they don’t have a lot of people pushing back on their really

00:39:23.160 —> 00:39:25.040
stupid ideas.

00:39:25.040 —> 00:39:29.600
And I wonder if giving these people a platform and telling them that they’re right about

00:39:29.600 —> 00:39:31.400
everything is what makes them that way.

00:39:31.400 —> 00:39:35.960
So it is interesting to me that there is a phenomena of people

00:39:35.960 —> 00:39:39.240
converging towards this type of personality once they get a big platform.

00:39:39.240 —> 00:39:40.960
It can’t be coincidence.

00:39:40.960 —> 00:39:46.200
Mm hmm. Well, still someone like him becomes rich, right?

00:39:46.200 —> 00:39:51.400
And so they’ve been convinced by their actions and their

00:39:51.400 —> 00:39:54.920
people who are under them that they are always right.

00:39:54.920 —> 00:39:56.120
Yeah.

00:39:56.120 —> 00:39:59.080
So people like that, you can’t tell them anything, right?

00:39:59.280 —> 00:40:04.480
I mean, I don’t know, I mean, honestly, if Steve Jobs had bought Twitter, what would

00:40:04.480 —> 00:40:09.400
we, you know, I know that we can’t, you know, people keep pulling Steve Jobs out of the

00:40:09.400 —> 00:40:15.720
grave, but I mean, you know, would he have been the same way? I don’t know. I mean, Bill

00:40:15.720 —> 00:40:17.600
Gates, would he have been the same way?

00:40:17.600 —> 00:40:22.320
No, and I think those guys were formed in a different era, though. They certainly had

00:40:22.320 —> 00:40:27.480
their own problems. They certainly went from, they certainly went, well, in the case of

00:40:27.480 —> 00:40:29.320
Bill Gates, he never really proclaimed

00:40:29.320 —> 00:40:32.120
the hippie culture so much, but Steve Jobs,

00:40:32.120 —> 00:40:35.840
like many quote, counterculture people at the time,

00:40:35.840 —> 00:40:39.900
certainly became diehard capitalists in a heartbeat.

00:40:39.900 —> 00:40:40.740
Yes.

00:40:40.740 —> 00:40:42.720
But those guys came of a different time,

00:40:42.720 —> 00:40:45.960
and I think they already were established enough

00:40:45.960 —> 00:40:47.440
in their own personality.

00:40:47.440 —> 00:40:50.800
I think that’s one of the benefits of not,

00:40:50.800 —> 00:40:52.680
I think that’s one of the benefits of the past,

00:40:52.680 —> 00:40:55.700
where as you’re growing up, as you’re developing,

00:40:55.700 —> 00:40:58.880
or as you’re becoming,

00:40:58.880 —> 00:41:01.660
for these people that are influential, becoming influential,

00:41:01.660 —> 00:41:03.880
you don’t have the same huge platform

00:41:03.880 —> 00:41:05.840
where you’re a performer.

00:41:05.840 —> 00:41:08.140
And I think the performance aspect of it

00:41:08.140 —> 00:41:11.400
is part of it that amplifies this to some degree.

00:41:11.400 —> 00:41:14.200
I don’t know how much, but I think it does make it worse.

00:41:14.200 —> 00:41:16.720
Reality TV was an indication a long time ago

00:41:16.720 —> 00:41:20.000
that when you take people and put them on a stage,

00:41:20.000 —> 00:41:21.840
they become dumber than ever.

00:41:21.840 —> 00:41:22.680
Yeah.

00:41:23.600 —> 00:41:27.140
And now you’re doing it to billionaires who never,

00:41:27.140 —> 00:41:28.500
at least on reality TV,

00:41:28.500 —> 00:41:31.220
other contestants or other people on the show would say,

00:41:31.220 —> 00:41:32.640
”You are the biggest idiot I’ve ever seen.”

00:41:32.640 —> 00:41:34.220
No one ever says that to billionaires.

00:41:34.220 —> 00:41:36.140
(laughing)

00:41:36.140 —> 00:41:38.640
Oh, and that’s one of the other downfalls

00:41:38.640 —> 00:41:40.300
of our capitalism religion, Clay,

00:41:40.300 —> 00:41:42.540
is that like you were saying,

00:41:42.540 —> 00:41:43.980
they think they’re right about everything.

00:41:43.980 —> 00:41:46.420
Absolutely, because we have this inherent belief

00:41:46.420 —> 00:41:49.460
that if a person is a billionaire or even a millionaire,

00:41:49.460 —> 00:41:50.880
they must know things that we don’t know.

00:41:50.880 —> 00:41:52.340
They must be smart about everything.

00:41:52.340 —> 00:41:56.420
It’s not that they had one specific, it’s not that they had also good luck,

00:41:56.420 —> 00:41:59.940
but it’s not that they had one specific area of knowledge or one domain that

00:41:59.940 —> 00:42:01.540
they’re good at. No, they’re good at everything.

00:42:01.540 —> 00:42:03.700
We have to listen to them about everything they say.

00:42:03.700 —> 00:42:09.540
Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, so, so people like,

00:42:09.540 —> 00:42:14.220
people like Elon, I mean, look at, look at someone like Andrew Tate, you know,

00:42:14.220 —> 00:42:17.020
with his, I mean, they get, they,

00:42:17.020 —> 00:42:21.860
they get these cults following everything that they say and defending them at

00:42:21.860 —> 00:42:26.740
every turn, right? I mean, you say anything about Andrew Tate and about him getting

00:42:26.740 —> 00:42:33.580
arrested and all of a sudden you get attacked by a bunch of bros. I mean, they

00:42:33.580 —> 00:42:40.180
are bros usually because, oh, you know, he needs to be proven guilty. And it’s like,

00:42:40.180 —> 00:42:46.260
okay, right now he’s in jail for his alleged, you know, crimes. Like, why are

00:42:46.260 —> 00:42:51.340
you going to go out of your way to defend someone? It’s all because, according to

00:42:51.340 —> 00:42:56.100
people, they have made it, right? And so someone who’s made it, you’re going to blindly follow

00:42:56.100 —> 00:43:02.220
them because hopefully one day you’ll fall into their footsteps. You’re not going to.

00:43:02.220 —> 00:43:08.640
Sorry. These people are… I don’t know if you follow anything that Andrew Jates does,

00:43:08.640 —> 00:43:14.560
but he actually is one of these people who can convince people to sort of throw money

00:43:14.560 —> 00:43:21.440
at him and say, you know, I will teach you my way, you know. And it’s like, people who

00:43:21.440 —> 00:43:27.800
can’t afford spend money on things like this hoping that one day they will be as rich as

00:43:27.800 —> 00:43:31.980
Andrew Tate. And it’s like, yeah, the reason why Andrew Tate is going to keep being rich

00:43:31.980 —> 00:43:37.160
is because suckers like you are born every day who are going to give them money, right?

00:43:37.160 —> 00:43:42.740
It’s like they don’t realize that they’re the bones that are feeding this machine or

00:43:42.740 —> 00:43:49.740
whatever the term is. Same thing with the Paul brothers, Logan and whatever his other names.

00:43:49.740 —> 00:43:50.740
Oh my God, yeah.

00:43:50.740 —> 00:43:58.740
Yeah, I mean just abhorrent human beings who are able to convince people to throw money at anything they do, right?

00:43:58.740 —> 00:44:07.740
You know, the whole cryptocurrency space has people just losing their minds and their money at an alarming rate.

00:44:07.740 —> 00:44:12.300
And it’s only because again we like to put people on pedestals and

00:44:12.300 —> 00:44:16.280
you know if Elon Musk were to say here’s a

00:44:16.280 —> 00:44:19.860
Course it’s a ten thousand dollars for the year

00:44:19.860 —> 00:44:23.260
There are gonna be a lot of people who are gonna pay for it

00:44:23.260 —> 00:44:31.460
You know and I mean just because he made it doesn’t mean you’ll make it too. Sorry, you know, sorry to burst your bubble

00:44:31.460 —> 00:44:33.820
But I think that’s the fear here

00:44:33.900 —> 00:44:42.000
Do you think it’s gotten worse though how much we need people need a hero people need somebody who can

00:44:42.000 —> 00:44:44.420
You know be their answer

00:44:44.420 —> 00:44:50.940
Do you think it’s getting worse or am I just seeing it more because the internet dumps everything in our face

00:44:50.940 —> 00:44:56.180
It really seems like now our culture just wants we just want an answer. We don’t want it to be complicated

00:44:56.180 —> 00:44:59.160
It doesn’t matter if they’re an authoritarian if they have an answer for us

00:44:59.860 —> 00:45:04.940
It’s all good. Is it worse or is it just that I’m getting old and I’m getting tired of humanity?

00:45:04.940 —> 00:45:11.800
Sometimes I feel like it’s getting worse and and the thing is that it’s I think what it is is not that it’s getting worse

00:45:11.800 —> 00:45:14.820
Is that it’s just more televised right or more

00:45:14.820 —> 00:45:19.320
Broadcasted I think it could be a we elevate the negative

00:45:19.320 —> 00:45:22.900
Yeah, we do. All right. I mean the thing is that like we’ve had

00:45:22.900 —> 00:45:25.460
Can’t believe I’m gonna say this, but we’ve had

00:45:26.740 —> 00:45:34.620
I’m not comparing Elon to Hitler here, but I’m saying like we’ve had people like Hitler

00:45:34.620 —> 00:45:40.860
come to power and people, you know, I mean, I mean, he was sort of lifted on a pedestal,

00:45:40.860 —> 00:45:48.540
right? People like that happen. It happens. If it was happening during our time now, like

00:45:48.540 —> 00:45:54.340
he would have had a far broader audience. You know, I mean, you know, he had Germany

00:45:54.340 —> 00:45:58.900
an audience. I mean, in Poland as audience, but now it’s like, you know, you become someone

00:45:58.900 —> 00:46:04.100
like Elon. And again, you know, please, listeners, I’m not comparing Elon to Hitler. Like I’m

00:46:04.100 —> 00:46:05.580
just stating, you know,

00:46:05.580 —> 00:46:08.300
You’re talking about the cult of personality phenomenon.

00:46:08.300 —> 00:46:09.300
Exactly.

00:46:09.300 —> 00:46:11.300
How people like that can become influential.

00:46:11.300 —> 00:46:14.580
Exactly. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:46:14.580 —> 00:46:17.940
And nowadays, I hate to say it, Clay, but I don’t think the Republicans would push back

00:46:17.940 —> 00:46:20.380
on Hitler all that much.

00:46:20.380 —> 00:46:21.380
You know?

00:46:21.380 —> 00:46:23.780
I don’t think you’re not far off here.

00:46:23.780 —> 00:46:25.980
I mean, look at this country.

00:46:25.980 —> 00:46:27.500
They’re trying to ban everything now.

00:46:27.500 —> 00:46:31.780
We’re becoming a “here’s how you must behave.”

00:46:31.780 —> 00:46:35.420
It’s like Macedon used to be, except these people have power to make laws happen.

00:46:35.420 —> 00:46:36.420
Yeah.

00:46:36.420 —> 00:46:37.420
Yeah.

00:46:37.420 —> 00:46:38.420
Content warning, content warning.

00:46:38.420 —> 00:46:39.420
There’s a Black History…

00:46:39.420 —> 00:46:40.420
Content warning.

00:46:40.420 —> 00:46:43.700
I mean, the whole Black History month thing is pissing me off, too, because this…

00:46:43.700 —> 00:46:45.580
I’ve seen some of the most ridiculous things.

00:46:45.580 —> 00:46:51.820
You know, like, I mean, in Miami, they have a cop car that was covered by all sorts of

00:46:51.820 —> 00:46:56.180
like, the Shiki, you know, all this sort of African, you know, tribalist stuff.

00:46:56.180 —> 00:47:00.260
And it’s like, like, how about you guys figure out how not to kill Black people, maybe, you

00:47:00.260 —> 00:47:01.260
know?

00:47:01.260 —> 00:47:02.260
Right.

00:47:02.260 —> 00:47:03.260
Because that’s not helping, is it?

00:47:03.260 —> 00:47:04.260
Right.

00:47:04.260 —> 00:47:05.580
Well, maybe all their cars should be covered with that.

00:47:05.580 —> 00:47:09.660
Maybe they, maybe those cars would not, maybe nobody would, maybe police wouldn’t want to

00:47:09.660 —> 00:47:12.500
roll up on the scene in one of those cars and then jump out and kill a Black guy.

00:47:12.500 —> 00:47:15.900
So maybe that’s part of the solution. Cover them all.

00:47:15.900 —> 00:47:21.200
Maybe. But yeah, it’s ridiculous. Yeah, it’s insane. It’s like, really? You guys are their

00:47:21.200 —> 00:47:23.940
allies now? I don’t get it.

00:47:23.940 —> 00:47:29.220
I mean, the thing is that everything is about the whole publicity thing, right? Yeah. But

00:47:29.220 —> 00:47:35.900
it’s like, if you like, I want action. I don’t want, like, show. Show. There’s one thing

00:47:35.900 —> 00:47:41.180
to say something, but there’s one thing to do, right? Like, do, don’t say, you know,

00:47:41.180 —> 00:47:45.820
Like actually don’t kill people instead of saying we’re going to kill less people.

00:47:45.820 —> 00:47:50.700
And they don’t say it, but like the whole implication of this car covered in this African

00:47:50.700 —> 00:47:51.700
stuff.

00:47:51.700 —> 00:47:54.940
I mean what is that trying to, what are you trying to tell us with that?

00:47:54.940 —> 00:47:57.100
Like why are we wasting our time with this?

00:47:57.100 —> 00:48:04.700
And that even goes to, you know, like people like me or other people who say, “Oh, we are

00:48:04.700 —> 00:48:10.700
a hundred percent understanding of what Black people are saying and we are on their side.”

00:48:10.700 —> 00:48:16.460
But then, if Black people come to the conclusion that they’re not getting results and they’re

00:48:16.460 —> 00:48:22.900
tired of being killed, and they’re going to do something that might be construed as disruptive,

00:48:22.900 —> 00:48:29.300
like protesting a certain way, or they might want to fight back against the police, then

00:48:29.300 —> 00:48:33.740
even people who call themselves open-minded and liberal are going to say, “Oh, no, no,

00:48:33.740 —> 00:48:34.740
that’s wrong.

00:48:34.740 —> 00:48:35.740
That’s not how you do stuff.”

00:48:35.740 —> 00:48:36.740
Well, guess what?

00:48:36.740 —> 00:48:40.300
It is how you do stuff when you’re not getting results the other way.

00:48:40.300 —> 00:48:45.840
Yeah, you can’t talking until you’re blue in the face and then it doesn’t do any good after a while

00:48:45.840 —> 00:48:50.700
You can’t live with that anymore. You know, I when I was younger. I didn’t realize that but I

00:48:50.700 —> 00:48:53.500
get it now and I’m you know, I

00:48:53.500 —> 00:49:01.080
Sometimes if you’re right, you got to do what you got to do. That’s that’s how that’s the realization I’ve come to and I

00:49:01.080 —> 00:49:08.420
I’m not here for I’m not here for people saying yeah. Yeah, we get it. But by the way, nothing’s ever gonna change

00:49:08.420 —> 00:49:14.460
I don’t I’m not here for that anymore. Mm-hmm. It’s made this place what it is and it’s not it’s not working

00:49:14.460 —> 00:49:17.180
Nope, I agree

00:49:17.180 —> 00:49:19.220
It isn’t

00:49:19.220 —> 00:49:22.740
Humans are super flawed. Yes, we are my

00:49:22.740 —> 00:49:25.880
Co-worker Yuzuf. He says we went to watch

00:49:25.880 —> 00:49:29.700
2001 at a local theater here that has a gigantic

00:49:29.700 —> 00:49:33.940
beautiful old analog projector on a gigantic screen and

00:49:34.300 —> 00:49:41.660
And they got a special cut of 2001 made just for them. That was the Space Odyssey 2001. Yeah. Oh nice

00:49:41.660 —> 00:49:44.220
so his

00:49:44.220 —> 00:49:47.780
His quote about humanity is never should have touched the monolith

00:49:47.780 —> 00:50:03.420
We knew that that’s our motto we never should have touched the monolith

00:50:03.420 —> 00:50:15.020
That’s good. That’s spot on. That’s good. Oh, that’s good.

00:50:15.020 —> 00:50:18.780
I don’t know. I have no answers. I don’t know if anybody does have answers.

00:50:18.780 —> 00:50:22.660
No. We all pretend to have answers. We don’t have answers.

00:50:22.660 —> 00:50:30.380
I think the best we can do is try to honestly operate out of good faith instead of—

00:50:30.380 —> 00:50:31.380
Yep.

00:50:31.380 —> 00:50:38.140
What amazes me is how many people are just willing to blind, you know, openly and clearly

00:50:38.140 —> 00:50:39.500
take advantage of other people.

00:50:39.500 —> 00:50:42.740
You know, aside from humanity’s always been horrible towards each other.

00:50:42.740 —> 00:50:46.180
All the people we’ve killed, all the people we’ve tortured, all the people we’ve enslaved,

00:50:46.180 —> 00:50:49.100
all the horrible, horrible, horrible things we’ve done to each other.

00:50:49.100 —> 00:50:52.380
It’s like, how can you, how can you even do that?

00:50:52.380 —> 00:50:58.600
But then even just on a daily routine basis, taking advantage of other people, building

00:50:58.600 —> 00:51:04.360
systems in place that we get people to root for and cheer for that are actually taking advantage

00:51:04.360 —> 00:51:13.720
of them. But we shouldn’t end on this note though, this is bad. Oh, you know what, I want to play a

00:51:13.720 —> 00:51:23.000
clip. This is hilarious because Peter Nikolaidis is an IT consultant and a security guy,

00:51:24.200 —> 00:51:28.800
But for some reason, he will readily admit he’s like a walking EMP.

00:51:28.800 —> 00:51:29.800
He breaks everything.

00:51:29.800 —> 00:51:32.800
I don’t know how.

00:51:32.800 —> 00:51:33.600
I don’t know why.

00:51:33.600 —> 00:51:37.180
But he has problems with his technology that I’ve never seen before.

00:51:37.180 —> 00:51:42.440
Huh? And I was listening to the Six Colors podcast the other day,

00:51:42.440 —> 00:51:48.100
and they were talking about Dan Moren and his co-host on a podcast that he has.

00:51:48.100 —> 00:51:50.200
And it reminded me of Peter.

00:51:50.200 —> 00:51:51.400
So I’m going to play this.

00:51:51.400 —> 00:51:53.340
For those who don’t know about Guy English,

00:51:53.340 —> 00:51:57.100
He is a lovely man. First off, I, I, when Dan referred to his friend Guy English,

00:51:57.100 —> 00:51:59.580
I thought he was making it up because that is not a real name.

00:51:59.580 —> 00:52:00.940
My imaginary friend Guy English.

00:52:00.940 —> 00:52:05.660
Guy English. It sounds so fake, right? It’s a phony, fake name. Anyway, he’s a real guy.

00:52:05.660 —> 00:52:07.420
Gay name Guy.

00:52:07.420 —> 00:52:07.820
And real English.

00:52:07.820 —> 00:52:10.060
And he’s really English. He was born in England.

00:52:10.060 —> 00:52:11.420
He was born in England. That’s true.

00:52:11.420 —> 00:52:16.780
Now he’s Canadian, but he’s also English. And very, very smart guy. He worked at Apple.

00:52:16.780 —> 00:52:20.380
He’s a software developer. He’s, you know, he does, he, he and Dan talk,

00:52:21.260 —> 00:52:24.700
and Moltz spent five years on an island talking about Arrow.

00:52:24.700 —> 00:52:25.540
It was rough.

00:52:25.540 —> 00:52:28.860
And you guys do the Biff podcast now.

00:52:28.860 —> 00:52:35.500
He’s like got a negative podcast energy field around him.

00:52:35.500 —> 00:52:37.540
It’s a thing.

00:52:37.540 —> 00:52:39.540
I wanna describe, can I describe,

00:52:39.540 —> 00:52:40.700
while we’re in the after show here,

00:52:40.700 —> 00:52:45.460
can I describe the tech profile of the Biff podcast

00:52:45.460 —> 00:52:46.940
in my own words, which is,

00:52:46.940 —> 00:52:49.140
there’s Dan, a professional podcaster

00:52:49.140 —> 00:52:55.220
who has a professional podcasting setup. Okay, seems good so far, right? There’s John Moltz,

00:52:55.220 —> 00:53:02.660
who, I don’t know if he still does this, but for a long time, his podcast recording strategy was,

00:53:02.660 —> 00:53:09.620
he talks to you from one computer and records his audio from a different computer, because

00:53:09.620 —> 00:53:14.820
neither of his computers is trustworthy enough to act on their own. And then there’s Guy. And Guy,

00:53:14.820 —> 00:53:18.580
You know, again, very technical, very smart guy.

00:53:18.580 —> 00:53:24.760
Somehow, like, I don’t know, he records in echo chambers,

00:53:24.760 —> 00:53:27.360
where he’s down in a well.

00:53:27.360 —> 00:53:30.400
-I’ve been to his apartment and his office now,

00:53:30.400 —> 00:53:32.900
and it’s a small windowless room,

00:53:32.900 —> 00:53:35.560
and it really is just, like, an echo chamber.

00:53:35.560 —> 00:53:37.060
-And then there’s also roll a die

00:53:37.060 —> 00:53:39.440
to see if the recording works.

00:53:39.440 —> 00:53:42.440
-I will say, the funny part of this is,

00:53:42.440 —> 00:53:45.260
is since I went on parental leave,

00:53:45.260 —> 00:53:50.560
Guy has edited Biff for the last, what, six months.

00:53:50.560 —> 00:53:57.080
And so I don’t have to deal with those problems currently.

00:53:57.080 —> 00:53:59.560
So I just like, well, you know,

00:53:59.560 —> 00:54:01.660
and I think it’s actually helped because he’s like,

00:54:01.660 —> 00:54:04.900
”Oh, now I can hear what I sound like.”

00:54:04.900 —> 00:54:08.380
So he has improved, I think he got a new mic,

00:54:08.380 —> 00:54:10.860
and I think we put him on an ATR or something

00:54:10.860 —> 00:54:13.740
was a little less room noisy.

00:54:13.740 —> 00:54:16.460
’Cause he had some really weird audio setup stuff.

00:54:16.460 —> 00:54:17.540
Whatever his microphone he was using,

00:54:17.540 —> 00:54:19.200
he had some connectivity issues with the microphone,

00:54:19.200 —> 00:54:21.580
which there was some where it dropped out,

00:54:21.580 —> 00:54:23.460
and then you had to use the backup tracker.

00:54:23.460 —> 00:54:27.100
There was one where he sent me the laptop mic recording.

00:54:27.100 —> 00:54:28.740
It’s been bad luck with Guy.

00:54:28.740 —> 00:54:33.340
So anyway, have him on live on Discord.

00:54:33.340 —> 00:54:34.180
What could go wrong?

00:54:34.180 —> 00:54:36.140
I hope Jason Snell doesn’t sue me,

00:54:36.140 —> 00:54:40.000
because that’s a members only podcast.

00:54:40.000 —> 00:54:43.200
But I only took two and a half minutes of it, so I think I’m okay.

00:54:43.200 —> 00:54:45.480
Yeah, it’s a good way to spread the memory.

00:54:45.480 —> 00:54:47.720
Go, everyone, go sign up for members only podcasts.

00:54:47.720 —> 00:54:48.720
That’s right.

00:54:48.720 —> 00:54:49.720
Six Colors, yeah.

00:54:49.720 —> 00:54:53.360
But that just reminds me of Peter a lot.

00:54:53.360 —> 00:54:54.360
And it does remind…

00:54:54.360 —> 00:54:56.160
Now, I will say one thing about Peter.

00:54:56.160 —> 00:55:00.600
When I first started podcasting with him and through several different podcasts, I had

00:55:00.600 —> 00:55:02.440
so many issues with his recording.

00:55:02.440 —> 00:55:03.480
It was just like that.

00:55:03.480 —> 00:55:05.440
Sometimes he would send me a recording from the wrong mic.

00:55:05.440 —> 00:55:08.640
Sometimes he has gotten a lot better.

00:55:08.640 —> 00:55:13.120
Now it’s always the correct mic, his recording always works, it sounds a lot better than

00:55:13.120 —> 00:55:16.880
it used to, and when there is a little bit of background noise, it’s stuff that I can

00:55:16.880 —> 00:55:19.040
easily filter out now.

00:55:19.040 —> 00:55:26.880
So I recently, whatever he did recently, and I think he improved it when he started recording

00:55:26.880 —> 00:55:34.080
Blurring the Lines with Adam, but I gotta say, Clay, you are the one person, as far

00:55:34.080 —> 00:55:40.720
as I know, when you started podcasting, you just figured it out. And ever since then,

00:55:40.720 —> 00:55:46.440
it’s just worked. You don’t come with the wrong mic. You don’t have, you know, crickets

00:55:46.440 —> 00:55:48.440
chirping in your studio.

00:55:48.440 —> 00:55:51.320
I was just gonna say crickets.

00:55:51.320 —> 00:55:58.080
Yeah. I don’t know how you do it. But you’re the type of person that should be podcasting.

00:55:58.080 —> 00:56:06.160
Jeez, wow. Thank you. Listen, podcasting, you know, I have a solo podcast that actually

00:56:06.160 —> 00:56:09.820
is supposed to come out of hiatus forever, but podcasting is fun when it’s like with

00:56:09.820 —> 00:56:16.040
friends, you know, like this is fun. Like this is a blast. I enjoy it a lot. I’m the

00:56:16.040 —> 00:56:20.860
one, I’m overly technical at work. I’m the guy who fixes everyone’s problems at work.

00:56:20.860 —> 00:56:29.700
But I don’t normally have problems with technology. But again, I also don’t have a job that is

00:56:29.700 —> 00:56:34.900
just, you know, it’s in the medical field. So there are a lot of people who aren’t supposed

00:56:34.900 —> 00:56:38.700
to be technical in my field because we have an IT department, but usually I am the IT

00:56:38.700 —> 00:56:39.700
guy.

00:56:39.700 —> 00:56:43.220

Right. Yeah. But you also, once you get something working, you don’t fiddle with it.

00:56:43.220 —> 00:56:49.100

No, I do not. No, I do not. That is one thing I do not do. Like if it’s working now,

00:56:49.100 —> 00:56:51.220
It’s like it’s cemented in place.

00:56:51.220 —> 00:56:52.220
Yeah.

00:56:52.220 —> 00:56:53.220
Yep.

00:56:53.220 —> 00:56:57.740
And that is one thing that I was worried about when I went back to the laptop as my only

00:56:57.740 —> 00:56:59.340
computer lifestyle was.

00:56:59.340 —> 00:57:04.220
Like when I had the iMac, the advantage of it was my recording situation never changed.

00:57:04.220 —> 00:57:09.180
That thing just sat there and all the stuff that was connected was always connected.

00:57:09.180 —> 00:57:10.500
So how do you solve that problem?

00:57:10.500 —> 00:57:12.100
Well, it hasn’t been an issue.

00:57:12.100 —> 00:57:17.900
Once I plug it back in, one thing that I did do though was I have an application from Brett

00:57:17.900 —> 00:57:23.600
called Bunch. And basically what it is, it’s a little menu bar app and you can

00:57:23.600 —> 00:57:28.360
click on a bunch in the menu to run that bunch. And what the bunch will do is it

00:57:28.360 —> 00:57:32.200
pops up programs that you want associated with that bunch. So it’s like

00:57:32.200 —> 00:57:38.900
a session. And I have it do that but I also have it set my audio inputs

00:57:38.900 —> 00:57:44.400
and outputs. Oh okay, that’s cool. Yeah, so that way I make sure that when I’m

00:57:44.400 —> 00:57:51.600
podcasting my output goes to my AirPods and my input is my… Your mic. It’s a loopback device,

00:57:51.600 —> 00:57:58.400
it’s my mic plus the soundboard. Oh yeah yeah okay. And now I do still have to check individual

00:57:58.400 —> 00:58:02.400
applications like I have to make sure Discord is set up that way, I have to make sure FaceTime is

00:58:02.400 —> 00:58:07.680
set up that way, but if I don’t change those, those don’t change. And so far it’s been pretty

00:58:07.680 —> 00:58:11.920
seamless. The only issues I’ve had are like things that like we had today where I figured out that

00:58:12.960 —> 00:58:18.080
Discord couldn’t hear me unless I let it adjust the sensitivity. It just didn’t know that I was on mic

00:58:18.080 —> 00:58:22.720
And that’s not unusual every time I podcast with Bart for example in the past

00:58:22.720 —> 00:58:27.040
He’s always said you’re way too quiet. You’re way too quiet the last couple times. He hasn’t had that issue so

00:58:27.040 —> 00:58:29.560
apparently I’ll fix that but I do have a

00:58:29.560 —> 00:58:35.000
Perennial issue of being too quiet, which is probably not something that you’ve ever thought about me, but

00:58:35.000 —> 00:58:38.840
Apparently computers do

00:58:41.480 —> 00:58:47.760
But yeah, it’s been pretty seamless. I’m pretty impressed because for all the software, and

00:58:47.760 —> 00:58:50.400
it’s not like Apple doesn’t have audio software bugs.

00:58:50.400 —> 00:58:53.920
morale. Yeah, trust me. Yeah.

00:58:53.920 —> 00:58:57.080
But so far, it’s been pretty seamless. So I’ve been really happy.

00:58:57.080 —> 00:59:02.440
It’s been good. Nice. Yeah, I was actually meaning to ask you about about the laptop

00:59:02.440 —> 00:59:08.400
setup and because I know that you were iMac, you were podcasting from iMac before. But

00:59:08.400 —> 00:59:12.480
Because I know Vic always had issues sometimes with setting stuff up.

00:59:12.480 —> 00:59:13.480
Exactly.

00:59:13.480 —> 00:59:16.680
And that’s part of why I was – every time somebody with a laptop would show up and they

00:59:16.680 —> 00:59:19.760
had to fight to get things working, I would be like, “This is why you don’t do it from

00:59:19.760 —> 00:59:20.760
laptops.”

00:59:20.760 —> 00:59:21.760
And I would lecture him from on high.

00:59:21.760 —> 00:59:24.960
I was the Macedonian of podcasting.

00:59:24.960 —> 00:59:25.960
Here’s my 4,000 rules.

00:59:25.960 —> 00:59:26.960
Content warnings.

00:59:26.960 —> 00:59:27.960
Yeah, exactly.

00:59:27.960 —> 00:59:28.960
The guy has a laptop.

00:59:28.960 —> 00:59:29.960
Oh, no.

00:59:29.960 —> 00:59:31.640
He had to plug his mic in.

00:59:31.640 —> 00:59:32.640
Content warning.

00:59:32.640 —> 00:59:33.640
Don’t make eye contact.

00:59:33.640 —> 00:59:36.480
But yeah, I’ve changed my tune.

00:59:36.480 —> 00:59:37.480
Oh, okay.

00:59:37.480 —> 00:59:43.120
I’m thinking about getting your laptop too. The same one actually because it’s actually

00:59:43.120 —> 00:59:45.200
selling for the same price you bought it for.

00:59:45.200 —> 00:59:46.200
Yeah.

00:59:46.200 —> 00:59:47.200
Which is a steal.

00:59:47.200 —> 00:59:51.240
It is amazing. It’s an amazing deal. It’s such a good computer.

00:59:51.240 —> 00:59:55.000
Yeah. Yeah. Apple did really well with this.

00:59:55.000 —> 01:00:01.800
It’s just I open it and it’s on. It’s quiet. It just does things. The battery is great.

01:00:01.800 —> 01:00:08.360
Like my work laptop, of course it’s Windows, and it’s a good, the hardware is not bad.

01:00:08.360 —> 01:00:10.760
It’s a Lenovo T14 and I really like the form factor.

01:00:10.760 —> 01:00:15.500
It was that computer, like I had a 16-inch laptop at work previously and then I got the

01:00:15.500 —> 01:00:19.200
Lenovo T14 and I loved that form factor.

01:00:19.200 —> 01:00:24.040
That’s what convinced me that the 14-inch MacBook Pro would be perfect for me.

01:00:24.040 —> 01:00:28.440
And I gotta say, but other laptops, like you open them and they take a while before you

01:00:28.440 —> 01:00:30.440
can do anything.

01:00:30.440 —> 01:00:32.840
This computer isn’t like that. It’s just ready to go.

01:00:32.840 —> 01:00:36.260
Same thing with the MacBook Air. I mean, it’s crazy.

01:00:36.260 —> 01:00:40.560
It is crazy. I don’t know what voodoo they’re doing. Clearly, they’re saving stuff. And

01:00:40.560 —> 01:00:45.440
I bet if you hit a certain program instantly, it would be updating in the background. You

01:00:45.440 —> 01:00:50.360
might not like if you had an RSS app or something. But everything seems to respond pretty quickly.

01:00:50.360 —> 01:00:55.520
It’s not like sometimes on iOS, you know how you go to iOS. You know how when you look

01:00:55.520 —> 01:00:59.480
at stuff in the app switcher, it’s really just snapshots of what your apps were doing

01:00:59.480 —> 01:01:03.000
at the time. And sometimes when you go to the apps, all of a sudden you’ll see it go

01:01:03.000 —> 01:01:08.720
from that snapshot to blank for a minute as it refreshes and starts all over again. It’s

01:01:08.720 —> 01:01:09.720
not like that with the Mac.

01:01:09.720 —> 01:01:14.080
Not like that at all. Nope. I know. I love it. I actually thought that example right

01:01:14.080 —> 01:01:19.520
there was going to be the case when I went to M architecture Mac and I was like, “Yeah,

01:01:19.520 —> 01:01:24.360
this is going to be probably a little bit painful.” And I shocked. I mean, it was amazing

01:01:24.360 —> 01:01:30.520
from day one. Because I’ve had a MacBook Air before, and I loved it form-factor-wise, but

01:01:30.520 —> 01:01:38.480
painful to use. And then when I bought this one, I am like, this is what any MacBook Air

01:01:38.480 —> 01:01:43.920
should have been from day one. This is amazing. Yeah, it really is. It really is. I’ve never

01:01:43.920 —> 01:01:47.800
enjoyed a laptop so much in my life. I’ve actively hated laptops in the past because

01:01:47.800 —> 01:01:53.680
they were always such gigantic compromises. The only good thing was the portability, but

01:01:53.680 —> 01:01:55.280
everything else just sucked so bad.

01:01:55.280 —> 01:01:58.880
I just remember getting different cooling solutions

01:01:58.880 —> 01:02:02.360
for laptops for use when I was sitting downstairs.

01:02:02.360 —> 01:02:04.720
I remember stupid packs that you would throw

01:02:04.720 —> 01:02:06.460
in your freezer and then you’d put it on your laptop,

01:02:06.460 —> 01:02:08.720
but after 15 minutes, they’d be too warm already

01:02:08.720 —> 01:02:11.200
because the laptop would basically burn a hole in them.

01:02:11.200 —> 01:02:12.840
Yep, yep, yep.

01:02:12.840 —> 01:02:14.880
Now we’ve gotten, I mean,

01:02:14.880 —> 01:02:17.200
so when you look at AMD and what they’re doing,

01:02:17.200 —> 01:02:19.440
and AMD is doing some crazy, amazing stuff

01:02:19.440 —> 01:02:21.860
with their chips,

01:02:21.860 —> 01:02:26.460
But none of those laptops are able to do what,

01:02:26.460 —> 01:02:28.820
in terms of like portability,

01:02:28.820 —> 01:02:31.680
because a lot of them, when you look at the specs,

01:02:31.680 —> 01:02:33.060
it’s always plugged in.

01:02:33.060 —> 01:02:35.180
When it’s unplugged, it’s a completely different animal,

01:02:35.180 —> 01:02:37.660
right, because they have to throttle down like crazy.

01:02:37.660 —> 01:02:38.500
And then on top of that,

01:02:38.500 —> 01:02:39.960
not only is it throttled down like crazy,

01:02:39.960 —> 01:02:41.620
and yeah, the M architecture stuff

01:02:41.620 —> 01:02:42.980
is also throttled to a certain degree,

01:02:42.980 —> 01:02:46.380
but not to the same level as an AMD chip.

01:02:46.380 —> 01:02:47.220
Not even close.

01:02:47.220 —> 01:02:48.220
I would say not even close.

01:02:48.220 —> 01:02:49.340
Yeah, not even close.

01:02:49.340 —> 01:02:52.300
And on top of that, you have crazy fans going.

01:02:52.300 —> 01:02:53.460
You have to have giant fans.

01:02:53.460 —> 01:02:55.020
You have to have giant heat sinks.

01:02:55.020 —> 01:02:57.980
I mean, to a certain degree, it kind of sucks

01:02:57.980 —> 01:03:00.900
that the M2 chips have now sort of shrunken

01:03:00.900 —> 01:03:03.780
the heat sinks down a little bit.

01:03:03.780 —> 01:03:08.740
But it’s like, you know, they can even afford to do it

01:03:08.740 —> 01:03:10.820
because there’s not as much heat.

01:03:10.820 —> 01:03:12.820
And when there is a lot of heat,

01:03:12.820 —> 01:03:14.140
it still doesn’t throttle as much.

01:03:14.140 —> 01:03:15.740
Because, you know, back in the days,

01:03:15.740 —> 01:03:17.780
Apple would just throttle something like crazy

01:03:17.780 —> 01:03:19.360
because there’s way too much heat,

01:03:19.360 —> 01:03:22.340
these chips are able to run harder for much longer.

01:03:22.340 —> 01:03:25.620
I mean, AMD and Intel really like have,

01:03:25.620 —> 01:03:28.420
so I mean, you know, when you’re having a big gaming system,

01:03:28.420 —> 01:03:31.200
that’s one thing, but if you’re in a laptop,

01:03:31.200 —> 01:03:33.780
this is, you know, this is a beast.

01:03:33.780 —> 01:03:34.740
It’s absolutely a beast.

01:03:34.740 —> 01:03:37.920
It’s interesting because Apple came to it

01:03:37.920 —> 01:03:38.900
from the other side.

01:03:38.900 —> 01:03:41.580
They came to it from the performance mobility

01:03:41.580 —> 01:03:44.180
and battery performance side.

01:03:44.180 —> 01:03:46.900
And of course, I remember standing at work

01:03:46.900 —> 01:03:47.980
and talking to a guy and he’s like,

01:03:47.980 —> 01:03:50.840
”There’s no way that a phone chip

01:03:50.840 —> 01:03:53.080
”can ever work in a laptop, it’s just ridiculous.”

01:03:53.080 —> 01:03:54.200
And I remember him saying that,

01:03:54.200 —> 01:03:56.280
and well, now look at these laptops,

01:03:56.280 —> 01:03:59.600
they blow away what there was before,

01:03:59.600 —> 01:04:01.640
but they also have the better battery life

01:04:01.640 —> 01:04:04.180
and they also are quieter and not as hot and so forth.

01:04:04.180 —> 01:04:08.200
But I think the fact that other CPUs came at it

01:04:08.200 —> 01:04:12.860
from the other side and they didn’t recognize fast enough

01:04:12.860 —> 01:04:17.620
or they don’t know how to make priority for laptops

01:04:17.620 —> 01:04:20.360
so that they don’t burn a hole in you.

01:04:20.360 —> 01:04:23.120
Like they’re still thinking of the plugged in use case,

01:04:23.120 —> 01:04:25.580
or they’re still okay with battery life

01:04:25.580 —> 01:04:27.040
that’s only X number of hours.

01:04:27.040 —> 01:04:28.920
And like some of those gaming laptops,

01:04:28.920 —> 01:04:30.880
their battery will be dead in two hours

01:04:30.880 —> 01:04:33.340
if you’re running them in decent performance mode

01:04:33.340 —> 01:04:34.180
and you’re not plugged in.

01:04:34.180 —> 01:04:35.600
Two hours, that’s a lot actually.

01:04:35.600 —> 01:04:37.940
I mean, some of these things are like 45 minutes.

01:04:37.940 —> 01:04:40.560
You know, a true gaming laptop with a AAA game,

01:04:40.560 —> 01:04:45.120
Like that is like because a lot of AAA games take advantage of everything, right?

01:04:45.120 —> 01:04:48.600
Like the whole GPU is completely maxed out, right?

01:04:48.600 —> 01:04:54.200
I mean if someone gets a laptop, if someone gets 45 minutes to an hour on a gaming system,

01:04:54.200 —> 01:04:55.200
you know, they’re happy.

01:04:55.200 —> 01:04:57.040
It’s like I got an hour of gameplay.

01:04:57.040 —> 01:04:59.240
Yeah, that’s crazy.

01:04:59.240 —> 01:05:00.240
Why would you even bother?

01:05:00.240 —> 01:05:04.760
Like at that point you’re always going to be doing your, I guess for the times that

01:05:04.760 —> 01:05:05.760
you’re not gaming but…

01:05:05.760 —> 01:05:10.200
Yeah, but even those systems that are for the times they’re not gaming, there’s no…

01:05:10.200 —> 01:05:18.080
Exactly. Because they don’t have efficiency cores like the M systems, right? You can actually

01:05:18.080 —> 01:05:25.720
use like a 16 incher for like 20 hours if you’re actually doing stuff like email. Because

01:05:25.720 —> 01:05:30.820
it’s not using the – it’s not firing up anything but just the efficiency cores, right?

01:05:30.820 —> 01:05:36.700
So again, why bother? Unless again, if you’re the kind of person who does a lot of gaming

01:05:36.700 —> 01:05:42.620
on the fly, meaning like you’re not gaming like in a Starbucks, but you’re like taking

01:05:42.620 —> 01:05:46.860
it to someone’s house to go game, right? You’re not going to take it home, right? So then

01:05:46.860 —> 01:05:47.900
I can understand it.

01:05:47.900 —> 01:05:52.220
And I guess nowadays a lot of people are just conditioned to default mentality as a laptop

01:05:52.220 —> 01:05:53.740
is a computer anyway.

01:05:53.740 —> 01:06:01.060
Yeah, true. True. You know, the only, because you have the studio display, right?

01:06:01.060 —> 01:06:02.060
Yeah.

01:06:02.060 —> 01:06:08.620
So like because you know like honestly I kind of like I want a studio display and that’s

01:06:08.620 —> 01:06:16.260
like a lot of me the reason why I want a 14 or a 16 inch is because of the screen and

01:06:16.260 —> 01:06:22.260
I would actually stay with the MacBook Air and I’m actually I’m strongly considering

01:06:22.260 —> 01:06:26.340
just getting the monitor because I don’t have a problem with the MacBook Air. Like

01:06:26.340 —> 01:06:31.460
the MacBook Air does all of the work I needed to do. Capture One Pro has no issues on it.

01:06:31.460 —> 01:06:38.420
I could have a large session going, no problems. It’s almost like whenever, you know, like

01:06:38.420 —> 01:06:42.540
think back to whenever you have your iMac when you first got it. It was always crazy

01:06:42.540 —> 01:06:48.940
fast at first. It feels like that but still, right? I’ve had it for, since pretty much

01:06:48.940 —> 01:06:54.620
the beginning. Still it’s like that, you know. So really and truly a monitor is all I would

01:06:54.620 —> 01:06:58.860
need honestly because, you know, like the MacBook Air screen is nowhere near as good

01:06:58.860 —> 01:07:04.820
that’s your screen. Your screen is phenomenal. Like that is the best laptop screen that Apple

01:07:04.820 —> 01:07:09.660
has ever made, period. You know, I mean I see it in the store and I’m like they’ve

01:07:09.660 —> 01:07:11.020
never had a laptop screen that good.

01:07:11.020 —> 01:07:12.020
It’s just pretty amazing.

01:07:12.020 —> 01:07:13.020
It’s phenomenal.

01:07:13.020 —> 01:07:18.500
Yeah, I think the interesting thing about the M1 architecture is it is good. Like I

01:07:18.500 —> 01:07:23.680
bought this laptop not that long before the M2 versions came out, but I have zero regrets.

01:07:23.680 —> 01:07:27.780
It’s not like I have any FOMO whatsoever and I think this laptop will last me for years,

01:07:27.780 —> 01:07:28.780
years and years.

01:07:28.780 —> 01:07:36.220
Yeah. I think if people are looking at buying a laptop today and people have asked me, okay,

01:07:36.220 —> 01:07:40.400
anyone who is looking at a laptop today, I say go look at the refurbished store because

01:07:40.400 —> 01:07:48.860
all those M1s are more than perfect for the next 10 years. Like people are going to be

01:07:48.860 —> 01:07:56.100
satisfied with them for the next 10 years. Like you can save a good $800, even $1,000

01:07:56.100 —> 01:08:01.780
in some cases if you’re willing to do a 512. And the funny thing is a 512 this year in

01:08:01.780 —> 01:08:09.380
the M2 is actually slower than 512 of the M1 Pro last year, right? So you win even more

01:08:09.380 —> 01:08:13.460
if you actually were to stick to 512 if you were to go to M1 Pro.

01:08:13.460 —> 01:08:17.740
Right, yeah, exactly. If you know that if you get the current computer and you’re only

01:08:17.740 —> 01:08:20.260
going to get the 512, you might as well just get the M1 Pro.

01:08:20.260 —> 01:08:24.100
Exactly. That’s exactly what I tell people. Because as someone, I forgot who I was talking

01:08:24.100 —> 01:08:28.040
but they had just asked me which laptops I get. Me, if I’m looking at it, if I’m going

01:08:28.040 —> 01:08:33.540
to 6512, it’s M1 Pro. If it’s anything above that, yeah, I would consider the M2 Pro. But

01:08:33.540 —> 01:08:36.420
then again, like look at the amount of money you’re going to spend. You’re going to spend

01:08:36.420 —> 01:08:41.820
a lot of money. You know, if you’re considering what the refurbished store is selling and

01:08:41.820 —> 01:08:48.080
refurbished store, I mean, even compared like B&H has a lot of sales, right? And B&H sales

01:08:48.080 —> 01:08:53.100
have not even been able to, and usually I always go B&H because I save taxes with them,

01:08:53.100 —> 01:08:59.340
because I have a card that they pay me my taxes back. Well, the Apple store has beat

01:08:59.340 —> 01:09:04.620
them like for as long as the Mp2 Pros have been out. You’re better off buying a true

01:09:04.620 —> 01:09:06.460
Apple’s refurbished store until they run out.

01:09:06.460 —> 01:09:11.160
That is interesting. I will say one thing though. Apple really is stiffing people in

01:09:11.160 —> 01:09:14.300
terms of trading stuff in now. Oh my God, don’t even bother.

01:09:14.300 —> 01:09:15.300
Oh, are they? Really?

01:09:15.300 —> 01:09:19.900
Yeah, oh yeah. They give so little money for trade-in devices now, Clay. It’s ridiculous.

01:09:19.900 —> 01:09:21.340
Oh, that sucks.

01:09:21.340 —> 01:09:25.540
Yeah. And it wasn’t… I think it was just like this past year or maybe a couple of years,

01:09:25.540 —> 01:09:30.180
but before that I’ve traded in devices and I got enough that it was worth it. But now,

01:09:30.180 —> 01:09:35.420
like even fairly recent devices, they’re just like, “Oh, that’s not worth anything.” It’s

01:09:35.420 —> 01:09:38.580
like, man, you are really devaluing your own products. You know that?

01:09:38.580 —> 01:09:43.480
Yeah. Yeah. Because you can actually sell it on like open market for just a little bit

01:09:43.480 —> 01:09:46.100
more. Yeah. But, you know, you had to put up with the hassle of dealing with people.

01:09:46.100 —> 01:09:51.860
But sometimes it’s more worth doing that than to have Apple stiff you on that.

01:09:51.860 —> 01:09:52.860
That’s not good.

01:09:52.860 —> 01:09:53.860
You know what’s funny though?

01:09:53.860 —> 01:09:58.620
My brother in the past has given me computers that at the time were really good computers

01:09:58.620 —> 01:10:03.020
because he hasn’t wanted to deal with people selling it privately.

01:10:03.020 —> 01:10:04.820
And so he’s like, “Here, have this.”

01:10:04.820 —> 01:10:09.420
Like I had back when the old cheese grater Mac Pro was a thing, he gave me an Alum Mac

01:10:09.420 —> 01:10:10.980
Pro once.

01:10:10.980 —> 01:10:19.340
He gave me one of the two 27-inch iMacs that I had was from my brother. I mean pretty amazing

01:10:19.340 —> 01:10:20.340
honestly.

01:10:20.340 —> 01:10:26.220
I’m just like him. Again, why do I have so many cameras? I don’t like dealing with people.

01:10:26.220 —> 01:10:27.740
I don’t want to sell it to any idiots.

01:10:27.740 —> 01:10:31.620
I know because you have to worry. You have to worry where do I meet this person? Are

01:10:31.620 —> 01:10:37.300
they going to rip me off? And I sold a laptop to a guy in a Starbucks once and I don’t blame

01:10:37.300 —> 01:10:41.300
him for like he took forever to make up his mind and I didn’t blame him how can he know?

01:10:41.300 —> 01:10:48.500
How can he know that I’m not some scam artist and I told him I said look here’s what I know

01:10:48.500 —> 01:10:54.580
here’s what I know about the current battery life but at the time those old MacBook Pros at the time

01:10:54.580 —> 01:10:58.100
they would develop battery issues where the battery would seem fine and then all of a sudden

01:10:58.100 —> 01:11:02.580
it would only last for you know a little while like cells were going bad or something. Oh yeah.

01:11:02.580 —> 01:11:07.860
And I told him, I said, “Look, here’s my current battery life. It’s not as good as it used to be.

01:11:07.860 —> 01:11:14.420
The only thing that I’m not 100% certain about with this laptop is the battery. And here’s how

01:11:14.420 —> 01:11:18.420
long it lasts, but it could be going out for all I know.” And I was upfront with him. I was like,

01:11:18.420 —> 01:11:22.820
”That would be my only concern if I were you buying this is, is this battery any good?” But

01:11:22.820 —> 01:11:28.100
those batteries were replaceable. Yeah, true. Those are good days.

01:11:29.300 —> 01:11:33.540
Yeah, they were, but at the same time this MacBook Pro that I have right now could not

01:11:33.540 —> 01:11:34.940
be this light and…

01:11:34.940 —> 01:11:40.340
No, absolutely not. No, I’ll take now. I know a lot of people would probably, you know,

01:11:40.340 —> 01:11:45.220
slap me for saying this. I would take the M anything now over anything we had back then.

01:11:45.220 —> 01:11:49.220
There’s no fans going crazy in my laptop. You can’t beat that.

01:11:49.220 —> 01:11:50.220
No.

01:11:50.220 —> 01:11:53.940
And even if it does go crazy, guess what? It’s not as loud.

01:11:53.940 —> 01:12:00.700
I wonder what the I wonder if not having removable batteries is better or worse for the environment.

01:12:00.700 —> 01:12:05.260
Yeah, that’s a good question. That is a good question. Technically, I mean, Apple can Apple

01:12:05.260 —> 01:12:10.700
still can replace it, right? Or is it another thing? I think they can if they wanted to.

01:12:10.700 —> 01:12:13.740
But I think at that point, it might not be I don’t know how much they would charge for

01:12:13.740 —> 01:12:20.420
it in a laptop. Obviously, in phones, people do that kind of thing all the time. Right.

01:12:20.420 —> 01:12:27.220
But I have never researched what it would cost or if that service is even available to swap the laptop better.

01:12:27.220 —> 01:12:29.140
Yeah. Yeah. That’s a good question.

01:12:29.140 —> 01:12:31.700
I mean, because you’re definitely not going to get…

01:12:31.700 —> 01:12:35.180
I mean, my MacBook Air is crazy light.

01:12:35.180 —> 01:12:39.020
It feels like my MacBook Air from when I had a 12 inch MacBook Air.

01:12:39.020 —> 01:12:42.060
And it’s, you know, it’s about as light as that.

01:12:42.060 —> 01:12:45.260
And, you know, so I don’t know.

01:12:45.260 —> 01:12:50.020
I mean, it sucks that we have to trade certain things for that.

01:12:50.020 —> 01:12:55.060
you know, the environment. But I don’t know. It’s a tough call.

01:12:55.060 —> 01:12:57.660
It is a tough call. It shouldn’t be, but it is.

01:12:57.660 —> 01:12:59.380
I got to admit, I like computers.

01:12:59.380 —> 01:13:03.660
I love computers, but I don’t like a lot of the things that computers have brought

01:13:03.660 —> 01:13:08.540
about, which is destruction of the Earth, use of natural resources.

01:13:08.540 —> 01:13:12.620
And then, you know, the Internet itself has caused a whole lot of problems.

01:13:12.620 —> 01:13:14.140
Yeah. Yeah.

01:13:14.140 —> 01:13:16.540
But then again, like, I have a lot of friends like you

01:13:16.540 —> 01:13:18.300
that I would never know without the Internet.

01:13:18.300 —> 01:13:19.380
That is true, actually.

01:13:19.580 —> 01:13:24.920
I mean, a lot of us, the whole, the four of us, you know, we wouldn’t know each other.

01:13:24.920 —> 01:13:25.920
I mean…

01:13:25.920 —> 01:13:26.920
That’s right.

01:13:26.920 —> 01:13:27.920
Yeah.

01:13:27.920 —> 01:13:28.920
That’s a good point.

01:13:28.920 —> 01:13:34.540
I’d be a hermit in a cave by myself like I’m, you know, typical clay.

01:13:34.540 —> 01:13:35.860
But you’re making that sound appealing.

01:13:35.860 —> 01:13:36.860
I kind of like that dream.

01:13:36.860 —> 01:13:37.860
I’m getting there.

01:13:37.860 —> 01:13:39.820
The older I get, the more I want to be there.

01:13:39.820 —> 01:13:42.740
Anyway, the four of us can be cavemen together in one cave.

01:13:42.740 —> 01:13:43.740
Let’s just move to…

01:13:43.740 —> 01:13:44.740
Well, don’t move to Florida.

01:13:44.740 —> 01:13:45.740
Florida sucks.

01:13:45.740 —> 01:13:49.980
We’ve got to find a place that makes sense.

01:13:49.980 —> 01:13:54.940
But what happens if Vic finds a way to wire up his kickers?

01:13:54.940 —> 01:13:58.740
You know, I think I might put up with that over what we have outside.

01:13:58.740 —> 01:13:59.740
Come on.

01:13:59.740 —> 01:14:00.740
Maybe.

01:14:00.740 —> 01:14:01.740
I don’t know about cave kickers though.

01:14:01.740 —> 01:14:02.740
I don’t want it.

01:14:02.740 —> 01:14:04.420
I’m not there for that.

01:14:04.420 —> 01:14:05.900
All right, Clay.

01:14:05.900 —> 01:14:10.180
I think we should probably, well, I for sure should go back to work.

01:14:10.180 —> 01:14:11.180
Yes.

01:14:11.180 —> 01:14:12.180
Go to work.

01:14:12.180 —> 01:14:13.180
Yes.

01:14:13.180 —> 01:14:14.180
This is fun.

01:14:14.180 —> 01:14:15.180
Thank you.

01:14:15.180 —> 01:14:17.180
Yeah, it was a blast. Thank you.

01:14:17.180 —> 01:14:19.180
Yeah, thank you very much.

01:14:19.180 —> 01:14:22.180
What do you want to point people at currently?

01:14:22.180 —> 01:14:24.180
What are you… Ooh, I could put you on the spot.

01:14:24.180 —> 01:14:28.180
I could make you point people to things and then you have no chance but to come off hiatus with it.

01:14:28.180 —> 01:14:30.180
Or no choice but to.

01:14:30.180 —> 01:14:34.180
Well, the thing is that the podcast still is sort of like a podcast that can…

01:14:34.180 —> 01:14:36.180
You know, it’s not like a…

01:14:36.180 —> 01:14:38.180
You know, through my lens with Claydee, it’s not…

01:14:38.180 —> 01:14:40.180
What do you call it? Time sensitive?

01:14:40.180 —> 01:14:42.180
Right, it’s not time sensitive. Yeah, exactly.

01:14:42.180 —> 01:14:43.180
It’s evergreen.

01:14:43.180 —> 01:14:50.380
Yeah, exactly. There you go. Evergreen. Evergreen. It’s Evergreen. Yeah, so people can go check

01:14:50.380 —> 01:14:55.580
out through my lens with Clay Daly. they can check out most valuable photography podcast.

01:14:55.580 —> 01:15:01.380
I think I might be on an episode of Wobble Sword. I mean, it’s still a show, isn’t it?

01:15:01.380 —> 01:15:02.780
I think it’s a show.

01:15:02.780 —> 01:15:06.140
Yeah, supposedly there is an episode that will be released.

01:15:06.140 —> 01:15:11.700
Yeah. So people can hear me on that if they would like to hear me, I don’t know, however

01:15:11.700 —> 01:15:17.700
many months ago that was. Talking about who knows what now. Yeah, there you go. So yeah,

01:15:17.700 —> 01:15:24.180
and I’m CWDL everywhere. Yes. Maybe I’ll mention you on Mastodon once in a while. Oh, cool.

01:15:24.180 —> 01:15:29.220
I’m not like Vic. I do listen to, I do check my Mastodon more often than Vic. I will give

01:15:29.220 —> 01:15:32.860
Vic credit for one thing though. I told somebody it’s going to be a month before Vic sees this

01:15:32.860 —> 01:15:36.820
and he saw it like within the same week. So that was actually pretty impressive. He’s

01:15:36.820 —> 01:15:42.020
upgraded his uh his notification game I guess or something yeah he’s either got notifications

01:15:42.020 —> 01:15:48.820
turned on which is not how anybody should live or he’s got or he just was checking randomly

01:15:48.820 —> 01:15:54.340
all right thank you play yeah thank you it’s a blast