Episode 34 – What is a Computer?

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Peter drinks something sour, Scott drinks something sour, and they both talk about window managers, outliners, and why they both are on the same page with respect to Mac vs. iPad Pro for getting work done.
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Just for me, Peter says, just for me.

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Peter is Peter and I am Scott.

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And this is?

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Friends. Friends.

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With Brews. With Bruce?

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With Bruce.

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Hi, Peter.

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Who’s Bruce?

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Hi, Peter.

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Hi, Scott.

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Hi, Peter.

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How are you?

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Hi, Peter.

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All right.

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This is gonna be a long podcast.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah, we don’t, we know, we’re gonna focus.

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We’re gonna stay on point

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and we’re gonna get right into the I’m Peter, you’re Scott.

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Yes.

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We knew that.

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You know how to find us.

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We don’t have to tell you that.

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And you know that we’re drinking beers and I will kick us off tonight. I am trying a new one.

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This is brand new. I’ve never had anything from this company as far as I’m aware. This is a

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Rodenbach Classic Refreshing Belgian Sour Ale, Oak Aged,

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Crafted and Brewed in Belgium. Now, here’s the thing. It’s oak barrel aged, which

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usually indicates

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high alcohol, but this is only 5% and as I in

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And as I said, it’s a Belgian sour ale.

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I’m gonna kick us off.

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I’ve done the pour.

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What about you?

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Okay, so I have, this is interesting.

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First of all, where are these guys?

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Oh, these guys are not local.

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These guys are in OK.

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McAllister, OK.

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Lahoma?

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Yeah, I guess so.

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Anyway, this is weird.

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I’ve never seen this on my shelves before.

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Blueberry boyfriend.

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Yeah, Prairie artisan ale,

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Blueberry boyfriend. It is a sour ale with blueberries and lemon zest. I have never had this as you

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Probably know I didn’t know I needed a blueberry boyfriend, but I guess I have one

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I’m gonna have to talk to Anna and say I guess this is happening. I had no idea about you guys like that

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Oh, that was a nice nice a nice pop. I heard that nice pecan pop. So that’s good. Good sound good signal

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All right, so you’ve got that and I’ve got this Cheers my friends very red. Yeah Cheers think Oh bottle sounds

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(glasses clinking)

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So those bottle sounds are our new swear word things.

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This is good.

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This is yummy.

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Oh my God.

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This is sour and I love every minute of it.

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This is good.

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There’s not too much lemon.

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I was afraid when they said lemon zest,

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but it is definitely more blueberry than lemon zest.

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But I feel like the lemon zest probably gives,

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probably takes just enough of that excessive sweetness

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that blueberries can have out of it.

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Okay. It’s perfect.

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Beautiful.

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Well, this is not excessively sour

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and it is quite drinkable.

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So we’re good.

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Are you excessively sour?

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I am excessively sour.

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So let’s dive right in.

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I want this to be mostly a Scott episode.

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So I just want to really, really, really quickly

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touch on two things.

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Are you feeling personally insecure?

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Nope. I just want to get right to the meat of the matter.

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But there are two things that I am looking at

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but have not yet tried.

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and that is Agent GPT as an alternative to Auto GPT.

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And-

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I’ve heard of Agent GPT.

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Notion as an alternative to Evernote.

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So I’m putting those out there.

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I will circle back at a later date

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with updates on possibly all of those.

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Okay.

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I have thoughts about Notion,

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but I’m going to keep them to myself

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because they are my thoughts.

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They’re not yours.

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You should not feel like I am invested

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in which way you go.

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I know you don’t care one way or another.

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No, I do.

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It’s just that I don’t want you to think

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that I’m gonna be sitting over here

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pre-judging your decision.

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You will.

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It’s okay.

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You’ll post-judge it.

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You’ll judge it one way or another.

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Whether you’re judging ahead of before or back

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or at the end, it doesn’t matter.

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I wish I could show you how hard it’s rating here.

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It is bucketing down.

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It almost looks like hail.

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It’s raining so hard, but it’s drops of water.

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Yeah. Wow.

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Earlier there was thunder.

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So anyway, what I’m trying to say is if for some reason we go away, I go away, you go

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away, someone goes away.

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Okay.

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The listener goes away.

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If a listener goes away, it’s just because they’re tired of us, but…

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Carry on, my friend, carry on.

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Let’s get to it.

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Oh, the other thing I wanted to talk about real quick, very briefly, is I also have a

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coffee here.

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It’s a Tony’s Coffee, TonysCoffee.com.

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It is a medium roast.

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It is a cafe caramelita.

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It is cocoa and caramel notes.

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It is a full buttery body.

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Who doesn’t love a buttery body, Peter?

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Who doesn’t love a full cocoa buttery body?

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I know I do.

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This is a pretty good coffee.

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Now, when I first made it, it was a little bitter.

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It says low acidity, but I don’t know.

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But then, here’s the thing.

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Now, I’ll admit, I’m not a coffee brewing genius,

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even though I have a very persnickety process.

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I had gotten to the point where I was brewing my coffees

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at a little bit lower temperature,

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typically 185, somewhere in there.

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Mm-hmm.

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I brewed my first cup of Tony’s at that, the coffee caramelita, and it was a little bitter

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and then I read the bag and it declared a degree.

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It said 200 degrees.

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Okay.

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Do it at 200 degrees, dammit.

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Yep.

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So I did it at 200 degrees, dammit, and it tasted better.

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200 degrees, dammit.

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Yeah.

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When I brewed it at 200 degrees, the coffee came out better.

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Okay.

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So it’s a pretty good coffee.

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I will buy this again.

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It’s not at the top of my list of coffees that I’ve had, but it’s very good.

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So the AeroPress instructions recommend 200 degrees.

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So I don’t know.

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I don’t think it matters, Peter.

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I think what they’re trying to get is regardless of your process, they want the water at a

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certain temperature when it goes through the grinds.

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It’s when it hits the grinds that they’re concerned with.

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Yes, I agree.

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I think that through an AeroPress, this coffee would probably be super good.

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Because AeroPress has a tendency to be a little bit too weak for me.

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I need more grams of coffee per cup.

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But boy does it take the acidity and the bitterness right out of it.

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You can create a beautiful cup of coffee with an AeroPress.

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See I do that though.

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I use more coffee than the AeroPress instructions say for mine.

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So I feel the same way, but I address that by just using more coffee.

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Using more.

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I put that special ingredient.

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Secret ingredient.

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More coffee.

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Chock full of coffee.

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Chock full of coffee.

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All right, so one thing real quick,

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we’ve talked about window management before.

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We have.

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And I believe right now you are currently using…

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Rectangle Pro.

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Yes, Rectangle Pro.

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I was also using Rectangle Pro,

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but I also stumbled across Lasso, which I kind of liked,

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which lets you do a keyboard shortcut

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and it pops up a screen.

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And if you’re connected to your external monitor

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and your laptop monitor’s open,

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it’ll show both screens. And then you can draw, depending on how many sections you set

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up on each of those screens, you can draw a little rectangle real fast that fills up

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X number of boxes on your screen and the window will go right there. So it takes longer than

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just hitting a keyboard shortcut, but it’s more precise. Let’s say you don’t have a preset

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for a window and you just want it in a certain place, it’s great for that. Now, that alone

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would be too persnickety. I want to be able to hit a keyboard shortcut and just have it

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go there. So Lasso on their website has a link that you can download the rectangle pro presets

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and keyboard shortcuts. So I downloaded that. There are a couple keyboard shortcuts that are

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missing, but I don’t miss them. So now in general, what I have is the best of both worlds.

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So they’re missing, but you’re not.

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They’re missing, but I’m not. And therefore I will never ban a milk carton, I hope.

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Peter, have you seen me lately?

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Yeah, Peter, have you seen me lately? Help me, Peter. Stop drinking your milk and come save me.

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So anyway, now I’m just running the one menu manager lasso and pretty happy with that.

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So I will probably switch over. So something, you are much quicker to try out new things

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and, you know, like jump to something, whereas I am more like, okay, I’m good here. I don’t want to,

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not right now, you know, like and normally like look I am I’m all for change but not just for the

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sake of change. No no it has to be for a reason. Right so you I belI don’t remember did I tell

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you about rectangle or did you tell me I think I don’t remember if I stumbled across rectangle

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but you paid for rectangle pro before I did. Correct. And then I was like you know what I’m

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getting enough value out of it I will follow Scott’s lead and I bought rectangle pro and I

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swear it was the next day, you’re like,

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”Yeah, I’m gonna do Lasso instead.”

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And I was like, “Damn it!“

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Yeah, but then I quickly came to the conclusion

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that I didn’t wanna do just Lasso,

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and so I was running both.

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For a while.

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And I didn’t talk about that on the podcast, yes.

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That’s right.

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But now you’re there, so yes.

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So I may follow in your footsteps, but for right now,

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here’s the thing, with Rectangle, I love it,

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but I only know a few of the keyboard shortcuts.

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Same, same.

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And I don’t have like the exact level of granularity, like, you know, like sixths and, you know, those.

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I don’t remember those, but I remember like control option left and right and command left and right and command up and down.

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And that’s about all I remember, which, you know, gets stuff.

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Oh, it looks like control option up and down is actually kind of cool.

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Huh?

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Interesting.

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Now I’ve moved you around to my secondary display

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and you’re totally lost.

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So I am lost, get out that milk carton.

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Yeah, so anyway, so yeah, that’s an update.

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So I will also probably be looking at Lasso.

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So yeah, Lasso, Notion and Agent GPT.

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So there you go.

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The other thing I stumbled across recently was

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it actually has been discussed

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in a few different Apple related sites or podcasts,

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I don’t remember.

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And I hadn’t tried it and I actually read a review of it on Mac stories that said it was just a little bit too lacking in features for them.

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But I decided to give it a try and I really like it and it is bike outliner for Mac.

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And that’s literally all it is is an outliner.

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Okay.

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It’s only for outlining.

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Okay.

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And it’s Hog Bay software.

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Hog Bay software.

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Okay.

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And outlining.

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So like making like bullet points and indent.

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Yes.

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That kind of outliner, okay.

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Yep, and it’s got tons of keyboard shortcuts.

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That’s what I really love about it.

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I like apps like that when I’m writing

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and I don’t have to take my hands off the keyboard.

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That is a huge plus and it has tons of keyboard support.

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So it is just an outliner and it is kind of simple,

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but it does let you do things like focus

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on just a certain selection or perform actions

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on just a certain selection or just a certain row

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or all kinds of things like that.

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It’s just very, it’s simple in terms

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of what the output is, but it has a lot of features underneath that you can use to quickly

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optimize your outline, edit your outline, refine your outline.

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And I really like it.

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And the reason I started doing this is because most of the blog posts that I write on my

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site don’t really require an outline.

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But I thought I would write about why I personally went from using an iPad Pro as my portable

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intensive work device to going back to only using a Mac to do all my workflows on.

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I want to hear this because we definitely disagreed at some for, you know, for a while

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about the the sensor, the validity or the possibility of switching to a Mac, sorry,

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to an iPad for like everything. And I was always in the I need a full on real file system,

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operating system, command prompt, terminal, etc, etc stuff. And you’re like, “No, no,

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I can do everything you don’t.” And I was like, “Yeah, but I can’t.” So I’m curious,

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though, where are you at right now?

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I was always using a Mac. I’ve never not been loving the Mac and using the Mac. It’s just

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that I had an iMac and I didn’t always want to be at my computer desk. And when I wasn’t

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at my computer desk, my iPad Pro was what I was using. And the thing about the iPad

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operating system, iPad OS is, it’s so nice to use

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that it kind of sucks you in.

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And pretty soon you realize,

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I want to use this for everything.

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And you’re willing to put up with a lot of paper cuts

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because what you see is that the things

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that most people consider to be limits of the iPad,

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I can’t do this, I can’t do that.

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Yes, you absolutely can.

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So those people are correct in that,

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yeah, there are limits that are gonna keep you

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from getting your work done if you do certain types of work,

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but they’re not the limits you think they are.

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They’re elsewhere.

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They’re other pain points.

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But there are pain points.

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There are problems.

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And once I started doing a lot of web development,

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I started rapidly realizing that the iPad Pro

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was making it painful and difficult.

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We talked about text editors and IDEs last time.

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Yes.

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The iPad Pro cannot and will not,

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unless iPadOS changes dramatically.

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It cannot and will not ever match the Mac or any computer

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in terms of proper IDE support with language server support

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with all the plugins that you need

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in order to quickly do your work.

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Yes, there are good text editors,

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but they will be slow because they won’t auto-complete,

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they won’t show you errors that happen before you compile,

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they won’t show you a lot of those things.

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And not only that,

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but you’ll be SSHing into some other computer

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to actually run this stuff.

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Absolutely.

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And so, and I know Federico Viticiu

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has talked about this and people are gonna think,

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oh, everyone’s copying Federico.

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No, I had already come to this conclusion

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before Federico openly started talking about

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how he is mainly using the Mac as his work device now

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instead of the iPad Pro.

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It’s just, I had to, once I made the decision,

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I was like, that’s great, I can’t afford a Mac right now.

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I waited a few months after I was already

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heavily leaning that way

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before I was able to get my MacBook Pro.

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But there is a reason why so many people

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are coming to this conclusion at once.

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And I think the nail in the coffin is,

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when we saw stage manager,

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initially the reaction was, “Oh, amazing.

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”Apple’s gonna give us windowing on the iPad.

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”This is gonna be great.”

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It’s not great.

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Is it?

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(laughs)

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It’s great if you’re not a power user.

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Yeah.

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And I say that, that sounds jerky because I’m sure there are some power users who like

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Stage Manager.

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But it arbitrarily rearranges things.

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You can only have so many window groups.

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They tend to disappear once you create it.

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You know, it’s just a mess.

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It’s just a freaking mess.

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And on the Mac it’s even worse because like, let’s say you have a group of apps that you’re

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working with in Stage Manager.

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You want to open a Finder window.

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Why would you open a Finder window when you’re working on another app?

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to do something that requires both of those together.

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You’re dragging a file, you’re doing something.

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So what does it do?

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It always opens Finder in its own new little stage

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and all those other apps are elsewhere.

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And then you got to clump them to get, it’s just,

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it’s ridiculous, right?

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So realizing that Apple is never going to put the Pro

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in iPad Pro or feeling like they’re never going to,

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I think, I think stage manager was a big nail

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in the coffin for a lot of people.

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Okay.

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Finally, the biggest point that I want to make is the thing that I, the reason the iPad

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Pro was my portable device for so long is that the thing that I have always hated about

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laptops is the noise, the heat, the incredible compromise that they are.

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And he says that as I look down at my M2 MacBook Air, which is silent and at about room temperature.

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And I say that as I look down at my M1 Pro MacBook Pro, which is silent.

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Ambient almost.

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Ambient.

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Mmm.

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Running so many applications at once and not caring.

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Right.

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That’s the thing, Apple Silicon changed the game.

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Now you can have a laptop that is as quiet as a tablet most of the time.

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It is way more performant, it can run way more things, it can multitask, and when you

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open the lid, you don’t have to, like on my work laptop, if it’s been a while I open the

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I have to wait. I have to wait. Oh, there’s the Lenovo thing. Okay. Now I have to wait. Oh, Windows is popping up

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Oh good. Oh, but oh no, I’m plugged into my external monitor

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so now I actually can’t do anything because now it has to go through the process of realizing it’s connected to things and

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It really won’t take my key input until finally it’s done switching all the screens on and off three times

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And now you don’t have that with the Mac. You don’t have that with Apple silicon you open the lid and it’s on BAM

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You are in your apps and you’re using them right away. Just like clicking the on button on a tablet

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Apple silicon really changed the game. Yep in terms of taking. What are the pain points out of a portable Mac and

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Getting rid of them. It’s still not a tablet. It still has a hinge

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It still has a keyboard in the way

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So it’s not as nice for video. Although this screen is way better than the iPad that I currently have

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It’s not as good for certain things

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You can’t take an Apple pencil and draw art on it like my daughter does with her iPad Pro

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The iPad Pro is amazing for that. Yes

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My iPad Pro, now hers, had cellular. You can’t beat that! Loved it.

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But those are the areas where the iPad excels and it’s just not enough for what I do.

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Right. So I love my iPad Mini.

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So not as much when I work here at my main desk, where I’ve got a full, you know, key—

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Well, I use the laptop keyboard.

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I use a little tiny little Bluetooth mouse that I’ve talked about on the Blurring the Lines podcast with Adam.

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Just, you know, perfectly accessible.

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You’ve talked about your small mouse before.

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Yeah, my small mouse. But when I work downstairs at the breakfast bar, I have my iPad mini and I’ll

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use it as a secondary display, or I use whatever they call the option to control the iPad with the

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keyboard and mouse from the laptop. But what I love is the ability to quickly annotate a document.

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Like if I take a screenshot on the Mac, grabbing the Apple pencil, circling like, “Click here,

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stupid,” and sending it, you know, like that is just amazing. And signing documents,

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as opposed to like clicking, you know, going into the preview, going to the menu, drop down,

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picking a signature, dragging and dropping, you know, being able to just grab the pencil and

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write that. I love that. And so I think a lot sometimes like, okay, maybe I should consider

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getting a bigger iPad next time. And with the intention that 90% of the time I’d be using it,

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it would be as a secondary display for my laptop. Which is kind of funny because they make perfectly

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cheap 15-inch retina displays that you can just grab and tack on to these laptops. And I’ve

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thought about those. I guess I’ve seen some of their touchscreen, but they’re not iPads.

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But you have an external display on your computer right now, right?

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Absolutely. I’m looking at you on it right now.

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Right. So this would be a third monitor sitting on the other side.

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Like if I do it upstairs, yes. But when I sit downstairs in the kitchen,

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that’s when I just have that.

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Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Right. Okay.

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And also sometimes when I just sit on the couch.

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Put your iPad on the stand and…

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Yeah, exactly. But sometimes I just sit on the couch and I’ll grab my iPad. But more and more,

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I’m finding when I’m going to be sitting on the couch, I’m taking notes on something,

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which again, I really like the small iPad mini form factor.

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Yeah.

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But sometimes like, okay, I could probably cope with something a little larger, maybe, you know,

00:19:47.340 —> 00:19:54.460
but I like not having to carry and hold something larger. Like holding an iPad with one hand while

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writing on it, that gets old. Now I haven’t tried that with an iPad Air, so I really don’t know what

00:19:59.740 —> 00:20:05.740
that’s like, but I like the small iPad mini form factor. I like it for reading books, I like it for

00:20:05.740 —> 00:20:10.460
reading comics, I like it for watching YouTube, I like it for taking notes.

00:20:10.460 —> 00:20:14.780
Would I like a bigger iPad better? It’s hard to say, I’m not sure.

00:20:14.780 —> 00:20:17.820
So take everything I’m about to say with a grain of salt because for a long time

00:20:17.820 —> 00:20:21.340
I was Mr. I can do everything I need to on my iPad.

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The iPad that I currently have is an iPad Air. It’s not the latest iPad Air, it’s like a model

00:20:27.500 —> 00:20:32.620
before that or maybe a couple models. Anyway, it doesn’t have the best screen, it doesn’t have some

00:20:32.620 —> 00:20:35.300
some of the current features of the current iPad Air,

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but it’s about the same size.

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So it’s not as heavy as an iPad Pro by any means,

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and it’s not as big as the 12.9-inch iPad Pro

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that I was using that I gave to my daughter.

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Okay.

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Now what my iPad mostly is for me is

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fitness plus workouts,

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reading books, watching YouTube, watching movies,

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and reading other stuff like stuff that I put in good links

00:21:01.620 —> 00:21:02.640
from the web, stuff like that.

00:21:02.640 —> 00:21:03.720
It’s a great reading device.

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However, if I could pick one iPad,

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and I am going to always be in a one iPad person at most,

00:21:09.120 —> 00:21:13.480
I would get an iPad mini because primarily I’m reading,

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and holding an iPad mini for reading

00:21:16.840 —> 00:21:20.600
is so much more comfortable than holding an iPad Air,

00:21:20.600 —> 00:21:22.920
even the iPad Air that I have,

00:21:22.920 —> 00:21:26.040
which is not as heavy as even the 11-inch iPad Pro.

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So I don’t know.

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I would say go to an Apple store

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and see if you can spend time using an iPad.

00:21:34.840 —> 00:21:37.880
Yeah, and that’s the thing is I do, I can do that.

00:21:37.880 —> 00:21:41.240
And even if I do though, it’s, I can’t like, I don’t know,

00:21:41.240 —> 00:21:42.560
maybe they would let me pick one up

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and sit down on like one of their chairs or something,

00:21:44.880 —> 00:21:47.080
but it’s not like the same as sitting on my couch,

00:21:47.080 —> 00:21:48.920
you know, the same use cases and stuff.

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But I should probably just try that again, you know.

00:21:52.120 —> 00:21:53.920
iPad mini is a pretty amazing size.

00:21:53.920 —> 00:21:55.640
Right, yeah, I really like it.

00:21:55.640 —> 00:21:57.720
And when they didn’t make it for,

00:21:57.720 —> 00:21:59.820
Well, it was a couple of years or so around COVID

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or so they stopped doing it.

00:22:01.340 —> 00:22:03.900
I had an old one for a while and then I got rid of it

00:22:03.900 —> 00:22:07.380
because it was getting slow and there was no iPad mini.

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There was a dry spell for a while

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and then they finally got it.

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And as soon as it came back, I was like, boom, next day,

00:22:13.980 —> 00:22:15.240
ship it to me.

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And I like having, I do like having a little iPad in my life

00:22:18.780 —> 00:22:21.380
it’s, I think I get value out of that.

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I’m not gonna say, so what I’m not gonna say,

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because it looks like an about face for me

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go from proclaiming the iPad Pro can do way more than people say and why would you need

00:22:32.220 —> 00:22:36.080
a Mac laptop to having a Mac laptop.

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I’m not going to say that it’s not an about face and I’m not going to try to pretend that,

00:22:39.860 —> 00:22:44.340
well, at the time I was right, now I’m right for this time.

00:22:44.340 —> 00:22:46.100
Not necessarily, I don’t know.

00:22:46.100 —> 00:22:47.660
It’s just an experimentation, right?

00:22:47.660 —> 00:22:53.660
Like it is me changing my mind about how I want to work, about what can meet my working

00:22:53.660 —> 00:22:54.660
needs.

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I heard that.

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And it’s just me changing my mind, and that’s perfectly fine.

00:23:00.980 —> 00:23:05.780
I’m certainly not going to pretend like I was right when I was defending iPad Pro to

00:23:05.780 —> 00:23:09.140
you as it could do your work cases.

00:23:09.140 —> 00:23:12.460
In hindsight, no, you were correct for your work cases.

00:23:12.460 —> 00:23:17.460
You said, earlier you were categorizing it as, “maybe iPad Pro could do this, couldn’t

00:23:17.460 —> 00:23:18.460
do that.”

00:23:18.460 —> 00:23:20.460
Let me phrase it this way.

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your workflows, the way you continue to do it using a full desktop OS quote in a laptop

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or whatever. That was the most efficient and optimal use case for you. And I do agree with

00:23:34.500 —> 00:23:39.540
that. Maybe I didn’t agree with it at the time, but I was wrong on that point, I think.

00:23:39.540 —> 00:23:41.420
Well, it’s very big of you.

00:23:41.420 —> 00:23:42.940
No, it’s just true.

00:23:42.940 —> 00:23:46.580
Yeah. And you can also change your mind over time too.

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That’s the thing. It’s just a change of mind. That’s the other thing too, is when you…

00:23:50.180 —> 00:23:51.980
Like I became very good with shortcuts.

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I created a lot of very complex workflows for publishing podcasts, publishing blog posts,

00:23:56.140 —> 00:23:57.820
doing all these things.

00:23:57.820 —> 00:24:02.980
But oh my God, it doesn’t matter how great you are at shortcuts, automation on the Mac

00:24:02.980 —> 00:24:05.380
is always going to be so much better.

00:24:05.380 —> 00:24:09.900
And once you give up and you start putting all your automations on the Mac, you just

00:24:09.900 —> 00:24:13.820
have that feeling of, oh my God, that’s where I do feel like I wasted my time.

00:24:13.820 —> 00:24:15.700
Man, I could have been doing this the whole time.

00:24:15.700 —> 00:24:19.640
And you know, so like I have been working on shortcuts, right?

00:24:19.640 —> 00:24:23.060
And I never got anywhere near your level of that.

00:24:23.060 —> 00:24:30.720
To me, I’m like, “Give me a prompt, give me some curly braces or some indents and some

00:24:30.720 —> 00:24:36.360
Python or some Perl or something, and I can just be so much more productive.”

00:24:36.360 —> 00:24:37.360
I tried.

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I made a couple of cute little shortcuts that I use almost every day.

00:24:41.120 —> 00:24:45.760
I’ve replaced my meditation apps with one that’s pretty much just a simple timer.

00:24:45.760 —> 00:24:48.760
I just say, “Hey, Dingus, start a meditation.”

00:24:48.760 —> 00:24:53.760
It asks me for how long, I say a number and it sets a meditation for that many minutes.

00:24:53.760 —> 00:24:59.580
It turns on “Do Not Disturb”, it starts a timer, it adds an entry into my calendar,

00:24:59.580 —> 00:25:04.360
and then it waits that many minutes and when that much time has elapsed, it logs in the

00:25:04.360 —> 00:25:08.960
Apple Health app the mindfulness minutes.

00:25:08.960 —> 00:25:15.420
And then it displays a message that says “Meditation logged”, except it doesn’t do it in that order.

00:25:15.420 —> 00:25:20.400
It gets started, runs through the drop of the shortcut, and says, “Meditation logged!“

00:25:20.400 —> 00:25:21.960
But everything else works fine.

00:25:21.960 —> 00:25:24.320
And I’m like, “But wait, why did you just do it?

00:25:24.320 —> 00:25:27.280
You’re clearly the last action in the whole shortcut.

00:25:27.280 —> 00:25:31.880
You haven’t actually logged the meditation, but you said that you did.”

00:25:31.880 —> 00:25:35.120
And I’m like, “How do I troubleshoot this?“

00:25:35.120 —> 00:25:37.440
Are you running this from your phone or your watch?

00:25:37.440 —> 00:25:41.640
The phone, because the watch doesn’t have the access to the health app.

00:25:41.640 —> 00:25:43.760
Okay, right.

00:25:43.760 —> 00:25:46.420
Share that shortcut with me and I’ll take a look at it on my phone.

00:25:46.420 —> 00:25:48.580
But the chances are, Peter, it’s just a bug.

00:25:48.580 —> 00:25:51.340
It’s just some shortcuts timing bug.

00:25:51.340 —> 00:25:54.420
Because there’s so many bugs with shortcuts.

00:25:54.420 —> 00:25:58.660
Mostly more on the Mac, but there’s shortcut bugs everywhere.

00:25:58.660 —> 00:26:00.580
But anyway, I like shortcuts.

00:26:00.580 —> 00:26:02.380
Shortcuts have cool…

00:26:02.380 —> 00:26:03.380
There are lots of cool things.

00:26:03.380 —> 00:26:08.940
And I only found out through you, for instance, that you can use personal automations to run

00:26:08.940 —> 00:26:11.220
shortcuts.

00:26:11.220 —> 00:26:15.540
And when I found that out, I was like, “Holy cow, that’s awesome.

00:26:15.540 —> 00:26:16.540
That’s really cool.

00:26:16.540 —> 00:26:19.140
When I arrive home, do this,” or something like that.

00:26:19.140 —> 00:26:20.260
So that’s pretty cool.

00:26:20.260 —> 00:26:22.260
So there’s a lot of power there.

00:26:22.260 —> 00:26:23.260
I like it.

00:26:23.260 —> 00:26:24.980
Yeah, it’s funny, though.

00:26:24.980 —> 00:26:28.660
The coolest one that I made, not the most complex by far.

00:26:28.660 —> 00:26:34.260
The most complex ones were my blog and podcast episode publishing ones, which also updated

00:26:34.260 —> 00:26:39.760
my Git repos, pushed stuff to the web, did all these tweaking of files and changing of

00:26:39.760 —> 00:26:42.680
of formats to match things that my server needed

00:26:42.680 —> 00:26:43.960
for compilation time.

00:26:43.960 —> 00:26:48.560
But the one that I liked the most was a drafts.

00:26:48.560 —> 00:26:51.280
So I had a drafts JavaScript action

00:26:51.280 —> 00:26:55.000
and the JavaScript action in drafts would call a shortcut

00:26:55.000 —> 00:26:57.860
and the shortcut would open a photos picker.

00:26:57.860 —> 00:27:01.100
Let me choose a photo.

00:27:01.100 —> 00:27:03.080
Then based on some parameters I gave it

00:27:03.080 —> 00:27:04.400
like what size do I want it to be?

00:27:04.400 —> 00:27:05.620
What do I want the alt text to be?

00:27:05.620 —> 00:27:07.160
What do I want the title to be

00:27:07.160 —> 00:27:09.400
if I caption it like a figure?

00:27:09.400 —> 00:27:12.440
And then it would insert it into drafts.

00:27:12.440 —> 00:27:18.360
It would copy the images that were modified appropriately to both my repo and to the drafts

00:27:18.360 —> 00:27:20.040
preview folder.

00:27:20.040 —> 00:27:23.800
And that to me was cool because right from drafts I could get a photo and I wouldn’t

00:27:23.800 —> 00:27:26.760
have to drag and drop it to a location in the drafts thing.

00:27:26.760 —> 00:27:29.520
I wouldn’t have to name things.

00:27:29.520 —> 00:27:31.800
I just chose a photo and it was all done for me.

00:27:31.800 —> 00:27:35.720
And to me that was one of the most fun shortcuts I made.

00:27:35.720 —> 00:27:37.320
Shortcuts is good on the Mac too.

00:27:37.320 —> 00:27:43.840
It can actually do, of course, it can do some things that it can’t do on iPadOS and iOS,

00:27:43.840 —> 00:27:45.640
but it’s also buggy as hell.

00:27:45.640 —> 00:27:51.400
Anyway, that’s just a long way of saying I’m working on this blog post because I want to

00:27:51.400 —> 00:27:58.080
make the case for why I’m not the only one changing my mind and why I don’t think it’s

00:27:58.080 —> 00:27:59.360
just a bandwagon thing.

00:27:59.360 —> 00:28:03.640
I think it’s just a time when people have been beating their heads against the limits

00:28:03.640 —> 00:28:09.800
for so long now have the best Macs that have ever been made. And they’re saying, why am

00:28:09.800 —> 00:28:12.660
I still beating my head when I have this other thing?

00:28:12.660 —> 00:28:17.800
And so I’m curious, besides Federico, like who else are these people when you say all

00:28:17.800 —> 00:28:21.720
these people are, you know, are dropping it and changing and stuff? Cause I’m not clued

00:28:21.720 —> 00:28:23.080
in like,

00:28:23.080 —> 00:28:27.980
Well, it’s not a gigantic list, but there’s a guy named Chris Lawley who does a lot of

00:28:27.980 —> 00:28:34.000
iPad videos on YouTube. He makes his living just doing his YouTube channel now. And Chris

00:28:34.000 —> 00:28:39.620
Lawley is kind of known in the Apple community for his productivity videos. And I also like

00:28:39.620 —> 00:28:44.820
him because he doesn’t have to do YouTube-based to trigger the algorithms. He still has some

00:28:44.820 —> 00:28:51.180
self-respect. Now he’s lately been shifting a lot back towards the Mac, and he’s got a

00:28:51.180 —> 00:28:55.980
lot of Mac videos now too. He still does use the iPad, but he does a lot of his work on

00:28:55.980 —> 00:29:02.000
his Mac and it kind of all started when he was using, what is the name of the Mac app

00:29:02.000 —> 00:29:04.680
that does the video, I can’t even remember, LumaFusion.

00:29:04.680 —> 00:29:10.260
He used to use LumaFusion on the iPad Pro to edit his videos and at some point it became

00:29:10.260 —> 00:29:14.080
buggy enough that it trashed a couple of different videos of his and he said that’s it.

00:29:14.080 —> 00:29:18.800
I’m going back to the Mac and I’m going to use Final Cut.

00:29:18.800 —> 00:29:25.140
And that was the start of it and then Apple Silicon continued that trend for him.

00:29:25.140 —> 00:29:30.120
And I will say one of the things that I didn’t mention about the iPad is the iPad Pro with

00:29:30.120 —> 00:29:33.580
a Magic Keyboard is a very pro price.

00:29:33.580 —> 00:29:35.640
It probably costs more than your MacBook Pro.

00:29:35.640 —> 00:29:36.640
I think it does.

00:29:36.640 —> 00:29:37.640
Or at least about the same as.

00:29:37.640 —> 00:29:38.640
Yeah.

00:29:38.640 —> 00:29:39.640
Well, I don’t know.

00:29:39.640 —> 00:29:40.640
I popped it up.

00:29:40.640 —> 00:29:43.920
You know, I bumped up the hard drive and RAM and stuff like that.

00:29:43.920 —> 00:29:48.440
But the entry level price of the MacBook Pro is like $1299, isn’t it?

00:29:48.440 —> 00:29:49.440
Right.

00:29:49.440 —> 00:29:50.580
And the Air and the…

00:29:50.580 —> 00:29:51.760
And I have a MacBook Air though.

00:29:51.760 —> 00:29:54.400
I don’t have a MacBook Pro, but still.

00:29:54.400 —> 00:29:56.480
So it’s a very pro-price.

00:29:56.480 —> 00:29:58.440
If you’re doing power user workflows,

00:29:58.440 —> 00:29:59.920
let’s say you’re editing podcasts,

00:29:59.920 —> 00:30:01.100
let’s say you’re editing video,

00:30:01.100 —> 00:30:03.080
let’s say you’re doing programming

00:30:03.080 —> 00:30:05.120
and get repos and stuff like that,

00:30:05.120 —> 00:30:10.120
you are dependent on like one or at most two apps

00:30:10.120 —> 00:30:13.000
in each of those categories.

00:30:13.000 —> 00:30:16.920
And if any of those guys goes away, you’re screwed.

00:30:16.920 —> 00:30:19.720
There are no alternatives.

00:30:19.720 —> 00:30:21.620
You can never say that on the Mac.

00:30:21.620 —> 00:30:22.960
You always have alternatives.

00:30:22.960 —> 00:30:27.200
You may not like them as much, but you always have tons of apps to choose from to get the

00:30:27.200 —> 00:30:28.360
job, whatever the job is.

00:30:28.360 —> 00:30:33.600
He’s got Homebrew and Fink and all these other open source repositories too, you know, to

00:30:33.600 —> 00:30:38.400
all these, you know, GNU and related utilities.

00:30:38.400 —> 00:30:46.720
But on the iPad Pro, not only are you subject to this poor developer who’s fighting the

00:30:46.720 —> 00:30:52.000
economy of the App Store, which is race to the bottom prices, so that it’s very hard

00:30:52.000 —> 00:30:57.280
to make a living on iOS and iPadOS apps anyway, or to justify the amount of time you’re putting

00:30:57.280 —> 00:31:00.060
in if it’s not your main job.

00:31:00.060 —> 00:31:04.680
But you’re also at the mercy of Apple’s capriciousness when it comes to their app store reviews.

00:31:04.680 —> 00:31:07.960
You can have an app in the store for three years and all of a sudden it gets rejected

00:31:07.960 —> 00:31:08.960
for something stupid.

00:31:08.960 —> 00:31:13.360
Yeah, and you know what I think what’s going on too, it just came to me, maybe it was your

00:31:13.360 —> 00:31:16.520
description, maybe it’s the amount of time I’ve been thinking this over, maybe it’s this

00:31:16.520 —> 00:31:17.520
beer.

00:31:17.520 —> 00:31:18.520
It’s the beer.

00:31:18.520 —> 00:31:19.520
It is probably the beer.

00:31:19.520 —> 00:31:25.680
thought about though was it seems like to get the iPad to work the way I want it to,

00:31:25.680 —> 00:31:33.120
essentially I was always trying to make it act like a Mac, right?

00:31:33.120 —> 00:31:35.040
Right, which you can’t do.

00:31:35.040 —> 00:31:40.480
Which you can’t do, but the other thing is it always felt like it was a hack, right? You know,

00:31:40.480 —> 00:31:45.600
getting an SSH prompt, getting a text editor, getting, you know, all these things that I was

00:31:45.600 —> 00:31:50.560
used to. What I remember is you would tell me things like, “Yeah, but you don’t need to do it.

00:31:50.560 —> 00:31:55.760
It’s a different way of doing it and stuff.” And I was like, “Okay, I get it. I don’t want to learn

00:31:55.760 —> 00:32:02.240
a new way of doing things. I’ve got a perfectly valid way to do things, which in the normal

00:32:02.240 —> 00:32:09.840
desktop operating system paradigm works just fine.” So it always felt to me though, things like

00:32:09.840 —> 00:32:15.120
shortcuts and all these third-party apps that I had to keep on buying to make it like, “Oh,

00:32:15.120 —> 00:32:17.980
oh, you can do this, but you just need to buy this text editor.

00:32:17.980 —> 00:32:19.320
Oh, you want to SSH files?

00:32:19.320 —> 00:32:21.340
Well, you don’t need to SSH to this server.

00:32:21.340 —> 00:32:23.120
You can just buy this text editor

00:32:23.120 —> 00:32:25.800
that includes built-in SFTP.

00:32:25.800 —> 00:32:27.960
And I was like, okay, right, I get it.

00:32:27.960 —> 00:32:29.780
But for me, it just was like,

00:32:29.780 —> 00:32:34.260
it always seemed like a huge hill to climb without,

00:32:34.260 —> 00:32:36.320
I couldn’t see the benefit at the end of it.

00:32:36.320 —> 00:32:38.320
That was my take.

00:32:38.320 —> 00:32:39.400
You know what the funny thing is?

00:32:39.400 —> 00:32:42.880
The app that I was using for SSH on iPadOS,

00:32:42.880 —> 00:32:43.960
Secure Shellfish?

00:32:43.960 —> 00:32:45.340
Yeah, which I still have.

00:32:45.340 —> 00:32:47.060
I’m actually using the Mac version of that

00:32:47.060 —> 00:32:48.720
as my default Mac terminal.

00:32:48.720 —> 00:32:49.560
Oh, no kidding.

00:32:49.560 —> 00:32:52.080
And it logs into local host to do my Mac stuff.

00:32:52.080 —> 00:32:54.480
And it logs into other servers to do my server stuff.

00:32:54.480 —> 00:32:56.280
And I love it and I use it.

00:32:56.280 —> 00:32:58.220
So they make a separate app or are you running,

00:32:58.220 —> 00:33:00.140
you’re not running the iOS version on your Mac,

00:33:00.140 —> 00:33:00.980
I’m assuming.

00:33:00.980 —> 00:33:01.820
This is a separate version?

00:33:01.820 —> 00:33:03.000
No, it’s a Mac version.

00:33:03.000 —> 00:33:03.840
Got it.

00:33:03.840 —> 00:33:04.660
I don’t use, I never,

00:33:04.660 —> 00:33:06.460
I wasn’t already using the default terminal.

00:33:06.460 —> 00:33:08.460
I tried things like iTerm2,

00:33:08.460 —> 00:33:09.960
and I tried another one that was pretty good,

00:33:09.960 —> 00:33:11.560
but it was too slow.

00:33:11.560 —> 00:33:15.400
And then I said, “Hey, I didn’t realize secure shellfish runs on the Mac.”

00:33:15.400 —> 00:33:18.800
Because I saw something he posted and I was like, “Hey, I always liked that guy.

00:33:18.800 —> 00:33:20.400
I love his app, so I’m going to give it a try.”

00:33:20.400 —> 00:33:21.800
And for me, it works.

00:33:21.800 —> 00:33:23.940
It may not work for you and that’s fine.

00:33:23.940 —> 00:33:28.400
So I’m searching for shellfish in the app store and I’m not seeing it.

00:33:28.400 —> 00:33:30.200
All right, let me give you a link.

00:33:30.200 —> 00:33:33.400
I found SSH files and SSH client.

00:33:33.400 —> 00:33:36.600
I searched for just shellfish.

00:33:36.600 —> 00:33:43.000
And I found four SSH utilities and an HTML editor.

00:33:43.000 —> 00:33:46.440
It came right up for me, but it’s probably because I’ve gone to that page and downloaded

00:33:46.440 —> 00:33:47.720
it before.

00:33:47.720 —> 00:33:48.960
Here’s the link for it.

00:33:48.960 —> 00:33:52.000
It says Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch apps available.

00:33:52.000 —> 00:33:55.800
So even if you went to it on your iPad, it’s the same link, basically.

00:33:55.800 —> 00:33:56.800
Okay.

00:33:56.800 —> 00:33:57.800
There it is.

00:33:57.800 —> 00:34:00.520
Well, it’s telling me to just download it on my Mac.

00:34:00.520 —> 00:34:01.520
Right.

00:34:01.520 —> 00:34:03.000
Yeah, you don’t have to pay more.

00:34:03.000 —> 00:34:04.000
Oh, cool.

00:34:04.000 —> 00:34:06.360
And you can restore purchases to get your premium purchases or whatever.

00:34:06.360 —> 00:34:11.720
Cool. I mean, I like it on the thing. And that’s the thing. I used to use one called,

00:34:11.720 —> 00:34:16.880
I think it was ISSH. I think that’s what I was using as my main thing for a long time.

00:34:16.880 —> 00:34:22.200
And it was great. And then they moved to a subscription model, which just, I was just

00:34:22.200 —> 00:34:31.520
like, “Ugh.” It just turned me off. And in hindsight, they wanted you to subscribe to

00:34:31.520 —> 00:34:34.280
like save your files and stuff, I think.

00:34:34.280 —> 00:34:36.980
Right. Yeah, yeah, that’s ridiculous.

00:34:36.980 —> 00:34:39.720
So the way I set it up, Peter, was for the Mac.

00:34:39.720 —> 00:34:42.920
I just, when I set up the server configuration,

00:34:42.920 —> 00:34:44.120
you know how in Secure Shelfish,

00:34:44.120 —> 00:34:45.440
you add a bunch of different servers?

00:34:45.440 —> 00:34:48.640
I just set up one that said localhost is the address.

00:34:48.640 —> 00:34:50.160
That gives it the local terminal.

00:34:50.160 —> 00:34:51.000
That’s funny.

00:34:51.000 —> 00:34:52.800
Isn’t that great?

00:34:52.800 —> 00:34:54.800
I mean, I’ve been pretty happy with the whole,

00:34:54.800 —> 00:34:56.020
just the Mac terminal,

00:34:56.020 —> 00:34:58.680
but I know a lot of people use a different one.

00:34:58.680 —> 00:34:59.800
And you may still prefer it.

00:34:59.800 —> 00:35:01.720
You may still, there’s no problem.

00:35:01.720 —> 00:35:02.560
I’m just telling you what I’m doing.

00:35:02.560 —> 00:35:04.080
So this is, I find this,

00:35:04.080 —> 00:35:05.080
This is kind of funny.

00:35:05.080 —> 00:35:07.800
So it, I just installed Secure Shellfish

00:35:07.800 —> 00:35:12.200
and it has all of my PCs, all of my Linux hosts and servers,

00:35:12.200 —> 00:35:13.520
everything is right there.

00:35:13.520 —> 00:35:19.440
But I have to click Pro Unlock and restore my purchases.

00:35:19.440 —> 00:35:20.520
I just think it’s,

00:35:20.520 —> 00:35:21.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:21.520 —> 00:35:25.000
I think it’s funny that I have to restore the purchases,

00:35:25.000 —> 00:35:26.920
but it knows all of my stuff.

00:35:26.920 —> 00:35:27.760
So that’s-

00:35:27.760 —> 00:35:29.800
Yeah, that’s an Apple thing.

00:35:29.800 —> 00:35:31.640
That’s just how it works.

00:35:31.640 —> 00:35:33.320
That’s not due to the developer.

00:35:33.320 —> 00:35:36.720
Yeah, I get that. Things make me chuckle.

00:35:36.720 —> 00:35:39.920
Anyway, the one part of the detour

00:35:39.920 —> 00:35:42.540
down the iPad Pro route that I don’t regret is

00:35:42.540 —> 00:35:47.020
I never regret making myself say,

00:35:47.020 —> 00:35:49.300
”This thing does not work the same as the other thing,

00:35:49.300 —> 00:35:52.100
and I have to figure out how to do the equivalent

00:35:52.100 —> 00:35:53.400
the way this thing wants me to.”

00:35:53.400 —> 00:35:54.940
I never regret that,

00:35:54.940 —> 00:35:57.540
because I have to do that in my job all the time.

00:35:57.540 —> 00:35:59.320
And it just helps to have

00:35:59.320 —> 00:36:01.700
a mentally flexible attitude that way.

00:36:01.700 —> 00:36:04.100
It was like way back when, last episode we talked about it,

00:36:04.100 —> 00:36:06.400
I switched my wife from Windows to Mac.

00:36:06.400 —> 00:36:08.900
She kept trying to do certain things the Windows way.

00:36:08.900 —> 00:36:11.780
It’s just human nature, right?

00:36:11.780 —> 00:36:12.620
Yeah, I get that.

00:36:12.620 —> 00:36:13.860
And those things were never gonna work.

00:36:13.860 —> 00:36:16.120
Once she got adapted to the Mac way,

00:36:16.120 —> 00:36:19.940
she did not miss Windows one tiny little bit,

00:36:19.940 —> 00:36:22.020
but it took a little bit of adjustment for her.

00:36:22.020 —> 00:36:22.860
Right.

00:36:22.860 —> 00:36:26.180
So the thing that I don’t regret about the iPad

00:36:26.180 —> 00:36:28.440
is it taught me a lot of flexibility in terms of,

00:36:28.440 —> 00:36:30.400
well, okay, I can’t do,

00:36:30.400 —> 00:36:34.060
This isn’t a normal computer, how can I do this thing?

00:36:34.060 —> 00:36:37.640
And learning the shortcuts thing taught me a lot

00:36:37.640 —> 00:36:41.240
about automating in general, even though on the Mac,

00:36:41.240 —> 00:36:44.200
most of the automations I do on the Mac are not in shortcuts.

00:36:44.200 —> 00:36:47.560
So I don’t regret that, it’s just,

00:36:47.560 —> 00:36:49.140
could I have gone back to the Mac sooner?

00:36:49.140 —> 00:36:52.540
Yeah, kind of, but I never would have enjoyed it that much

00:36:52.540 —> 00:36:54.880
before the Apple Silicon transition anyway.

00:36:54.880 —> 00:36:57.460
So at most, I would say I was six months

00:36:57.460 —> 00:37:02.140
to maybe a year later than I could have gone back,

00:37:02.140 —> 00:37:03.900
but I couldn’t afford to,

00:37:03.900 —> 00:37:06.900
like I just can’t afford to switch devices that often.

00:37:06.900 —> 00:37:07.980
Well, there you go.

00:37:07.980 —> 00:37:09.080
But I’m certainly glad,

00:37:09.080 —> 00:37:11.340
I’m definitely glad I’m back where I’m at now.

00:37:11.340 —> 00:37:12.240
Welcome back.

00:37:12.240 —> 00:37:15.700
Yeah, and the iPad is great for text input,

00:37:15.700 —> 00:37:19.220
for drawing, and for media consumption.

00:37:19.220 —> 00:37:20.820
I totally agree with that.

00:37:20.820 —> 00:37:22.840
It is great for drawing, by the way.

00:37:22.840 —> 00:37:25.420
My daughter does some really nice artwork on hers

00:37:25.420 —> 00:37:26.420
using Procreate.

00:37:26.420 —> 00:37:28.460
and the Apple Pencil.

00:37:28.460 —> 00:37:29.860
Yep. I don’t do great.

00:37:29.860 —> 00:37:33.100
I just, I mark up a few things and annotate some things.

00:37:33.100 —> 00:37:34.220
But while you’ve been saying that,

00:37:34.220 —> 00:37:38.700
I have reconfigured and I added a local host configuration.

00:37:38.700 —> 00:37:43.500
And now I have a secure shellfish terminal on my Mac.

00:37:43.500 —> 00:37:44.420
Yeah. And the cool thing is,

00:37:44.420 —> 00:37:47.580
is if you like adding different themes and stuff,

00:37:47.580 —> 00:37:50.260
like with, oh my ZHS,

00:37:50.260 —> 00:37:51.180
Oh my ZHS.

00:37:51.180 —> 00:37:53.820
which is like a ZHS terminal theme.

00:37:53.820 —> 00:37:55.220
Like you can add different teams

00:37:55.220 —> 00:37:57.340
it’ll customize your prompt and do all kinds of stuff like that.

00:37:57.340 —> 00:38:00.020
If you like that kind of stuff, all that stuff just works in this,

00:38:00.020 —> 00:38:01.100
just like it should, you know,

00:38:01.100 —> 00:38:07.020
some of these theme names are pretty funny. Tomorrow, tomorrow night, light,

00:38:07.020 —> 00:38:11.820
Dracula. Oh brother.

00:38:11.820 —> 00:38:14.540
That’s pretty funny. Yeah. I wonder which one I’m using.

00:38:14.540 —> 00:38:19.700
I am using hyper CSH. Hyper CSH.

00:38:19.700 —> 00:38:23.020
Okay. I’ll keep that in mind. Yeah.

00:38:23.020 —> 00:38:25.780
And it does things like when you’re in a Git repo

00:38:25.780 —> 00:38:26.940
in your file system,

00:38:26.940 —> 00:38:29.960
it’ll show you the status of the Git repo,

00:38:29.960 —> 00:38:32.500
you know, in terms of what kind of prompt it shows you.

00:38:32.500 —> 00:38:33.720
It’ll show you if there’s changes,

00:38:33.720 —> 00:38:35.480
it’ll show you if you’re up to date with the commit,

00:38:35.480 —> 00:38:39.060
it’ll show you if you’re up to date with the remote repo,

00:38:39.060 —> 00:38:39.900
stuff like that.

00:38:39.900 —> 00:38:43.020
And it’s just in little symbols and colors

00:38:43.020 —> 00:38:44.400
that it shows you these things.

00:38:44.400 —> 00:38:45.240
It’s pretty cool.

00:38:45.240 —> 00:38:47.680
Got it. All right, cool.

00:38:47.680 —> 00:38:51.220
So anyway, I babbled on a long time, I apologize.

00:38:51.220 —> 00:38:57.020
And even though this was a 6% 12 ounce beer, it actually did hit me pretty hard

00:38:57.020 —> 00:38:59.260
because I haven’t eaten a lot of calories today, Peter.

00:38:59.260 —> 00:39:05.740
I have eaten enough calories and I ran for about three or so miles.

00:39:05.740 —> 00:39:09.340
My girlfriend decided recently that she wants to get into running.

00:39:09.340 —> 00:39:12.300
I did not drop her at all.

00:39:12.300 —> 00:39:17.660
And I went out of my way not to push her in any way towards this.

00:39:17.660 —> 00:39:17.940
Sure.

00:39:18.340 —> 00:39:24.580
But she decided that she wanted to do it and for we started about two weeks ago, and we’ve been running

00:39:24.580 —> 00:39:27.100
almost every day and

00:39:27.100 —> 00:39:30.700
So today we’ve got her on a walk run

00:39:30.700 —> 00:39:35.900
Build-up type of thing. So we’ll run for like a minute. What was that?

00:39:35.900 —> 00:39:43.580
I just paused because the echo is telling me to to do my laundry. I

00:39:45.820 —> 00:39:48.800
Forgot to tell it to not disturb me

00:39:48.800 —> 00:39:54.760
But I told you know like all of the s word and the Sonos stuff to not disturb me

00:39:54.760 —> 00:39:59.980
It’s like Peter I can smell your underwear from over here. It’s about time to do your pretty much pretty much

00:39:59.980 —> 00:40:04.000
So on that note dear listener, I need to go do my laundry

00:40:04.000 —> 00:40:11.040
So if you want to find us you already know how we’re at friendswithbrews.com. He’s Scott

00:40:11.040 —> 00:40:13.040
I am Peter he is

00:40:13.920 —> 00:40:16.040
She laughs every time.

00:40:16.040 —> 00:40:19.040
Oh, you’re appdot.net.net.

00:40:19.040 —> 00:40:22.960
Scott, where can people find you on Mastodon?

00:40:22.960 —> 00:40:26.800
It’s not appdot.net.net, it’s appdot.net@scottaw.com.

00:40:26.800 —> 00:40:32.400
There’s a link at Friends with Brews.

00:40:32.400 —> 00:40:34.240
There’s a link at Friends with Brews.

00:40:34.240 —> 00:40:35.240
App.net.net.

00:40:35.240 —> 00:40:40.040
And I am just…

00:40:40.040 —> 00:40:42.940
Just go to pn72.com.

00:40:42.940 —> 00:40:48.100
links to find me. I was gonna say just go to scottwillsey.com or just go to scottwillsey.com

00:40:48.100 —> 00:40:55.040
but how do you spell how do you say is that scott w-i-l-l space s-e-e like you know nope

00:40:55.040 —> 00:41:01.020
is it scott w-e apostrophe l-l-s-e-e just go to friendswithbrews.com and click on the

00:41:01.020 —> 00:41:06.240
just go to friendswithbrews.com that’s way easier yes on that note i think one of us

00:41:06.240 —> 00:41:12.920
maybe both of us should push the big red button i drink my big red beer tell your friends